Anti semitism
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Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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disgusting the way he treats palestinians.newyorkaddick said:
Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:
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Henry.Henry Irving said:
Really, even when given evidence you refuse to accept it.harveys_gardener said:Henry has highlighted some attrocious quotes from Labour Party members that should lead to expulsions, and JC should get his act together but with a caveat.
Did they actually say the things quoted?
1. These are tweets. We are all aware of false twitter accounts
2. Without in-depth analysis I'm sure some of the posts are 3rd parties claiming what someone said.
3. Proven Anti-semites should be expelled and prosecuted, they are polluting my beliefs.3 -
Some Jewish people believe that too, as shown by the Birthright walkout:kentaddick said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-nagel-birthright-israel-walkout_us_5b54f04fe4b0b15aba90107d?guccounter=1
Worth reading, whatever side of the fence you're on.4 -
Oh fuck off, Please quote where I said that and said anything about All Jews behaviour or even mention Palestine? Oh sorry......, "evidence"?kentaddick said:
Life is complicated, well it is for those of us who can cope with that! Just because your mind needs to keep things simple, try not to just make things up. I'm fully aware there are many Anti Israeli Jews, I've spoken to many during very interesting conversations. There were also many prominent Jews living in the region who were against the formation of Israel at the time (see I know lots of things). I can equally argue against Palestinian and Islamic behaviour, doesn't automatically make me pro Israeli does it? Try opening your mind a little, works wonders during discussions.0 -
why are all jews responsible for israel?JamesSeed said:
Some Jewish people believe that too, as shown by the Birthright walkout:kentaddick said:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-nagel-birthright-israel-walkout_us_5b54f04fe4b0b15aba90107d?guccounter=1
Worth reading, whatever side of the fence you're on.0 -
Try actually reading what I actually said without restricting it to an Israel/Palestine situation which I didn't mention.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:0 -
Surely, even if what you’re saying is true, it doesn’t justify actual anti-Semitic behaviour?DRAddick said:Whilst there are problems, trouble is complaints of Anti Semitism are used constantly by Jewish and pro Israel people as a go to defence to shut down any discussion or argument on Israel and/or Jewish behaviour and it's own often despicable commentary on others.
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Can anyone help me understand why the hard left across the UK's universities are so quick to promote 'Israel apartheid' boycott days, but are relatively slower to organize similar boycotts against the likes of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. each with appalling records on human rights?
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I think that's highly unlikely with all due respect.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:0 -
typical jewish behaviour, right? Because all jews behave in the same way.DRAddick said:
Try actually reading what I actually said without restricting it to an Israel/Palestine situation which I didn't mention.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:1 -
you're not wrong, but i don't think whataboutery is healthy for these kind of debates as they allow strawman arguments to pop up.newyorkaddick said:Can anyone help me understand why the hard left across the UK's universities are so quick to promote 'Israel apartheid' boycott days, but are relatively slower to organize similar boycotts against the likes of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. each with appalling records on human rights?
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Below are links to the full texts of, firstly, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's 'Working Definition of Antisemitism' and, secondly, the Labour Party's 'NEC Code of Conduct: Antisemitism' (which are at the centre of the current controversy).
https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/node/196
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/app/uploads/2018/07/Labour-Party-Code-of-Conduct-on-antisemitism.pdf
I encourage people to read both (neither is very long), and then having done so please explain how anybody who supported the 'NEC Code of Conduct: Antisemitism' could reasonably be accused of being “an anti-Semite and racist” as Margaret Hodge has accused Jeremy Corbyn of being for supporting the 'NEC Code'?4 -
Yes, but just look at how well he'll organize the wall at free-kicks.kentaddick said:
disgusting the way he treats palestinians.newyorkaddick said:
Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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Where did I say anything even close to that? "Evidence"?kentaddick said:
typical jewish behaviour, right? Because all jews behave in the same way.DRAddick said:
Try actually reading what I actually said without restricting it to an Israel/Palestine situation which I didn't mention.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:0 -
DRAddick said:
Oh fuck off, Please quote where I said that and said anything about All Jews behaviour or even mention Palestine? Oh sorry......, "evidence"?kentaddick said:
Life is complicated, well it is for those of us who can cope with that! Just because your mind needs to keep things simple, try not to just make things up. I'm fully aware there are many Anti Israeli Jews, I've spoken to many during very interesting conversations. There were also many prominent Jews living in the region who were against the formation of Israel at the time (see I know lots of things). I can equally argue against Palestinian and Islamic behaviour, doesn't automatically make me pro Israeli does it? Try opening your mind a little, works wonders during discussions.
You seem to have a fixation with “behaviour”. Jewish behaviour and now Palestinian and Islamic behaviour.
You do realise that this doesn’t exist don’t you.
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DRAddick said:
Where did I say anything even close to that? "Evidence"?kentaddick said:
typical jewish behaviour, right? Because all jews behave in the same way.DRAddick said:
Try actually reading what I actually said without restricting it to an Israel/Palestine situation which I didn't mention.ShootersHillGuru said:
It’s because DR doesn’t understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist.kentaddick said:
Lets take a look...
how is their race pertinent to their support of zionism?DRAddick said:Whilst there are problems, trouble is complaints of Anti Semitism are used constantly by Jewish and pro Israel people as a go to defence to shut down any discussion or argument on Israel and/or Jewish behaviour and it's own often despicable commentary on others.
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At the risk of getting more condescending DMs, I stopped reading that Twitter account you seem to love when they posted something about Right of Return being anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish or something over the top, apologies for not being able to remember the specifics. It is undoubtedly a tactic used to couch anti-semitism, but it's also one used by the other side as well.Henry Irving said:
Because Jews = Israel in their minds.kentaddick said:
why are we talking about israel?harveys_gardener said:Thanks Callum. Wasn't aware that HMG adopted the entire IHRA defenition against the advice of the HASC. Also didn't know that there was an Israel Apartheid Week (not a Jewish Apartheid Week) or that big hitters are trying to close it down. Let's not forget the JLC, UN Watch and Board of Deputies are avid supporters of Israel, and refuse to ctriticise any crimes committed by the regime or the failure to comply with UN resolutions.
It's like saying all Muslims are to blame for human right abuses in Saudi Arabia as it is a Muslim state and any accusation of Islamophobia can be negated by "yeah, but look at Saudi Arabia."4 -
I didn't say it was pertinent did I. The entire sentence states Jewish AND Pro Israel people" plenty of Jews and non Jews who are pro Israel/Zionism, but that doesn't meant the aspect from which they are coming from isn't different. Read it more carefully next time instead of just automatically placing your assumptions on things.kentaddick said:
how is their race pertinent to their support of zionism?DRAddick said:Whilst there are problems, trouble is complaints of Anti Semitism are used constantly by Jewish and pro Israel people as a go to defence to shut down any discussion or argument on Israel and/or Jewish behaviour and it's own often despicable commentary on others.
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I think it's relevant because one of the specific clauses that Labour does not wish to adopt from the IHRA code is: "Requiring higher standards of behaviour from Israel than other nations."kentaddick said:
you're not wrong, but i don't think whataboutery is healthy for these kind of debates as they allow strawman arguments to pop up.newyorkaddick said:Can anyone help me understand why the hard left across the UK's universities are so quick to promote 'Israel apartheid' boycott days, but are relatively slower to organize similar boycotts against the likes of China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. each with appalling records on human rights?
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I agree, but there are also generalisations and stereotypes in all walks of life. it's just trying to make comment in a short space of time and non face to face. The trouble with message boards, people tend to read what they want into comments which leads to misunderstandings and assumptions .ShootersHillGuru said:DRAddick said:
Oh fuck off, Please quote where I said that and said anything about All Jews behaviour or even mention Palestine? Oh sorry......, "evidence"?kentaddick said:
Life is complicated, well it is for those of us who can cope with that! Just because your mind needs to keep things simple, try not to just make things up. I'm fully aware there are many Anti Israeli Jews, I've spoken to many during very interesting conversations. There were also many prominent Jews living in the region who were against the formation of Israel at the time (see I know lots of things). I can equally argue against Palestinian and Islamic behaviour, doesn't automatically make me pro Israeli does it? Try opening your mind a little, works wonders during discussions.
You seem to have a fixation with “behaviour”. Jewish behaviour and now Palestinian and Islamic behaviour.
You do realise that this doesn’t exist don’t you.0 -
you literally just repeated that jewish and pro israel people... meaning that jewish people are automatically pro israel by their ethnicity.DRAddick said:
I didn't say it was pertinent did I. The entire sentence states Jewish AND Pro Israel people" plenty of Jews and non Jews who are pro Israel/Zionism, but that doesn't meant the aspect from which they are coming from isn't different. Read it more carefully next time instead of just automatically placing your assumptions on things.kentaddick said:
how is their race pertinent to their support of zionism?DRAddick said:Whilst there are problems, trouble is complaints of Anti Semitism are used constantly by Jewish and pro Israel people as a go to defence to shut down any discussion or argument on Israel and/or Jewish behaviour and it's own often despicable commentary on others.
Maybe you should type a bit more carefully.0 -
Wait do we know this or are we just assuming because of the name? Serious question. Because I did Google it when he signed for us.newyorkaddick said:
Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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It's ok, posting all those tweets drowned any debate originally so they served their purpose.SDAddick said:
At the risk of getting more condescending DMs, I stopped reading that Twitter account you seem to love when they posted something about Right of Return being anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish or something over the top, apologies for not being able to remember the specifics. It is undoubtedly a tactic used to couch anti-semitism, but it's also one used by the other side as well.Henry Irving said:
Because Jews = Israel in their minds.kentaddick said:
why are we talking about israel?harveys_gardener said:Thanks Callum. Wasn't aware that HMG adopted the entire IHRA defenition against the advice of the HASC. Also didn't know that there was an Israel Apartheid Week (not a Jewish Apartheid Week) or that big hitters are trying to close it down. Let's not forget the JLC, UN Watch and Board of Deputies are avid supporters of Israel, and refuse to ctriticise any crimes committed by the regime or the failure to comply with UN resolutions.
It's like saying all Muslims are to blame for human right abuses in Saudi Arabia as it is a Muslim state and any accusation of Islamophobia can be negated by "yeah, but look at Saudi Arabia."-1 -
does it matter? It was a funny joke, because his name is shared with many jews.SDAddick said:
Wait do we know this or are we just assuming because of the name? Serious question. Because I did Google. It when he signed for us.newyorkaddick said:
Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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i'm not sure what there is to debate?Callumcafc said:
It's ok, posting all those tweets drowned any debate originally so they served their purpose.SDAddick said:
At the risk of getting more condescending DMs, I stopped reading that Twitter account you seem to love when they posted something about Right of Return being anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish or something over the top, apologies for not being able to remember the specifics. It is undoubtedly a tactic used to couch anti-semitism, but it's also one used by the other side as well.Henry Irving said:
Because Jews = Israel in their minds.kentaddick said:
why are we talking about israel?harveys_gardener said:Thanks Callum. Wasn't aware that HMG adopted the entire IHRA defenition against the advice of the HASC. Also didn't know that there was an Israel Apartheid Week (not a Jewish Apartheid Week) or that big hitters are trying to close it down. Let's not forget the JLC, UN Watch and Board of Deputies are avid supporters of Israel, and refuse to ctriticise any crimes committed by the regime or the failure to comply with UN resolutions.
It's like saying all Muslims are to blame for human right abuses in Saudi Arabia as it is a Muslim state and any accusation of Islamophobia can be negated by "yeah, but look at Saudi Arabia."0 -
So you dismiss the evidence you can't remember as it doesn't suit your view but that's OK as, as you admit, you didn't read much of it.SDAddick said:
At the risk of getting more condescending DMs, I stopped reading that Twitter account you seem to love when they posted something about Right of Return being anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish or something over the top, apologies for not being able to remember the specifics. It is undoubtedly a tactic used to couch anti-semitism, but it's also one used by the other side as well.Henry Irving said:
Because Jews = Israel in their minds.kentaddick said:
why are we talking about israel?harveys_gardener said:Thanks Callum. Wasn't aware that HMG adopted the entire IHRA defenition against the advice of the HASC. Also didn't know that there was an Israel Apartheid Week (not a Jewish Apartheid Week) or that big hitters are trying to close it down. Let's not forget the JLC, UN Watch and Board of Deputies are avid supporters of Israel, and refuse to ctriticise any crimes committed by the regime or the failure to comply with UN resolutions.
It's like saying all Muslims are to blame for human right abuses in Saudi Arabia as it is a Muslim state and any accusation of Islamophobia can be negated by "yeah, but look at Saudi Arabia."
No comments on Corbyn's support for terrorists either which you claimed was your issue before.0 -
I'd like him to be!kentaddick said:
does it matter? It was a funny joke, because his name is shared with many jews.SDAddick said:
Wait do we know this or are we just assuming because of the name? Serious question. Because I did Google. It when he signed for us.newyorkaddick said:
Ryan Blumberg is JewishBedsaddick said:I remember the good old days when Charlton Life was about football .
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Bloody hell didn't take long to jump on that and twist it. You're welcome to change 'debate' to 'discussion'.kentaddick said:
i'm not sure what there is to debate?Callumcafc said:
It's ok, posting all those tweets drowned any debate originally so they served their purpose.SDAddick said:
At the risk of getting more condescending DMs, I stopped reading that Twitter account you seem to love when they posted something about Right of Return being anti-Israeli or anti-Jewish or something over the top, apologies for not being able to remember the specifics. It is undoubtedly a tactic used to couch anti-semitism, but it's also one used by the other side as well.Henry Irving said:
Because Jews = Israel in their minds.kentaddick said:
why are we talking about israel?harveys_gardener said:Thanks Callum. Wasn't aware that HMG adopted the entire IHRA defenition against the advice of the HASC. Also didn't know that there was an Israel Apartheid Week (not a Jewish Apartheid Week) or that big hitters are trying to close it down. Let's not forget the JLC, UN Watch and Board of Deputies are avid supporters of Israel, and refuse to ctriticise any crimes committed by the regime or the failure to comply with UN resolutions.
It's like saying all Muslims are to blame for human right abuses in Saudi Arabia as it is a Muslim state and any accusation of Islamophobia can be negated by "yeah, but look at Saudi Arabia."
In any case, it's now a non-point that we're a couple of pages in and more people seem more willing to contribute.1
