Nicky Ajose - pg 6, loaned to Mansfield for remainder of season
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KAG will get his chance in the pre-season build up to show how he has improved.
He'll know it's his make or break chance.
Let's hope his goals and performances at Crawley have given him the self-belief to prove his worth.
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Certainly bring back KAG but if we don’t sign two new strikers we won’t be going anywhere in promotion terms.1
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Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
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The evidence on the back of the last two seasons suggests he's not good enough if we're serious about promotion.0
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For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.0 -
Lisbie had to drop down the leagues to score goals though. I have no doubts a young 20 something Lisbie would do well in League 1.kentaddick said:I’d say KAG deserves his chance. Personally think him and ajose are about the same level but KAG has a lot of potential. Really hope KAG can nail down a place, although I have a feeling he’ll be another Kevin lisbie, bags of potential and can go between being a goal machine to being unable to hit a barn door in a very short space of time. I hope, like lisbie, he doesn’t have to leave the club to really show what he can do.
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It wasn't Ajose's fault that we failed to score in 2 play off matches. He barely had a chance at all in both those games because we failed to create anything of note in 180 minutes of football. I'd keep him, I think he has goals in him if we can find some more creative players.cafcfan1990 said:
For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.4 -
I'm not blaming Ajose specifically, but I certainly feel he had a half decent chance to score in the away leg.WestCountryAddick said:
It wasn't Ajose's fault that we failed to score in 2 play off matches. He barely had a chance at all in both those games because we failed to create anything of note in 180 minutes of football. I'd keep him, I think he has goals in him if we can find some more creative players.cafcfan1990 said:
For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.
The fact is he hasn't scored goals yet. Nobody really knows for sure whether he would or not with better service. But if we go into the season with Magennis and Ajose as our starters then I personally believe we can forget about promotion. We don't have Holmes and can't rely on a winger in Fosu to score our goals, whilst Marshall offers very little going forward on this season's evidence. He would probably score more but IMO not enough and a new striker has to be top of our shopping list.
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Well, one half decent chance isn't really enough to hope to seal a game with. It's possible, but ultimately, it's not good enough as I'm sure you'll agree.cafcfan1990 said:
I'm not blaming Ajose specifically, but I certainly feel he had a half decent chance to score in the away leg.WestCountryAddick said:
It wasn't Ajose's fault that we failed to score in 2 play off matches. He barely had a chance at all in both those games because we failed to create anything of note in 180 minutes of football. I'd keep him, I think he has goals in him if we can find some more creative players.cafcfan1990 said:
For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.
The fact is he hasn't scored goals yet. Nobody really knows for sure whether he would or not with better service. But if we go into the season with Magennis and Ajose as our starters then I personally believe we can forget about promotion. We don't have Holmes and can't rely on a winger in Fosu to score our goals, whilst Marshall offers very little going forward on this season's evidence. He would probably score more but IMO not enough and a new striker has to be top of our shopping list.
Clearly the Mag/Ajose partnership didn't yield enough goals, but some of the blame must go to the midfielders and wingers who need to create the openings for our strikers. I would say that if we go into next season with most of the players we have, we can kiss goodbye to promotion. Over the course of the season the squad proved that it can't create enough chances, can't score enough goals, can't mix it with the bigger tougher teams.
I don't think there are too many players who can feel 100% comfortable in their position with new owners coming in and potentially splashing a bit of cash.0 -
I think Ajose would work well from Billy Clarke's forward passes BUT we still need two other strikers to form a strike force good enough to go up. Eaves & 1 other would be ideal.1
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2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.1 -
Agree with most of what you say but it surely contradicts your original argument that Ajose deserves a chance?WestCountryAddick said:
Well, one half decent chance isn't really enough to hope to seal a game with. It's possible, but ultimately, it's not good enough as I'm sure you'll agree.cafcfan1990 said:
I'm not blaming Ajose specifically, but I certainly feel he had a half decent chance to score in the away leg.WestCountryAddick said:
It wasn't Ajose's fault that we failed to score in 2 play off matches. He barely had a chance at all in both those games because we failed to create anything of note in 180 minutes of football. I'd keep him, I think he has goals in him if we can find some more creative players.cafcfan1990 said:
For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.
The fact is he hasn't scored goals yet. Nobody really knows for sure whether he would or not with better service. But if we go into the season with Magennis and Ajose as our starters then I personally believe we can forget about promotion. We don't have Holmes and can't rely on a winger in Fosu to score our goals, whilst Marshall offers very little going forward on this season's evidence. He would probably score more but IMO not enough and a new striker has to be top of our shopping list.
Clearly the Mag/Ajose partnership didn't yield enough goals, but some of the blame must go to the midfielders and wingers who need to create the openings for our strikers. I would say that if we go into next season with most of the players we have, we can kiss goodbye to promotion. Over the course of the season the squad proved that it can't create enough chances, can't score enough goals, can't mix it with the bigger tougher teams.
I don't think there are too many players who can feel 100% comfortable in their position with new owners coming in and potentially splashing a bit of cash.
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A lot of people are seeing something negative in Ajose that I just don't see.
In a 4-4-2 he was more than a handful.
He and Mag had shocking service over the last 2 years Mag only scored so many as a result of being good in the air.5 -
Ajose game seems to be running behind the central defender in the hope the defender misses a free header.0
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Sadly it’s a fact that both Mag and Nicky miss too many chances. I’m sure that with even with the service Nicky and Josh have had someone like BWP would have taken enough to have made a difference. We need a BWP and not either of Ajose or Magennis as our principal goal scorer.3
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BWP used to miss soo many chances. He relied on the fact that we were dominant and he would get 4/5 chances a game and would out at least one away. On a good day more. It was one of the main reasons he didn't do so well in the championship we struggled and couldn't dominate games as a result he got far less chances didn't put them away and confidence dropped. Not sure he would have done much better than Ajose in this side. I'd still probably swap him for Nicky mind.ShootersHillGuru said:Sadly it’s a fact that both Mag and Nicky miss too many chances. I’m sure that with even with the service Nicky and Josh have had someone like BWP would have taken enough to have made a difference. We need a BWP and not either of Ajose or Magennis as our principal goal scorer.
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Under PP & CP I am certain we created a lot more in terms of goal scoring opportunities.
These days we're seeing under 10 shots a game, they're usually by the wingers too!1 -
If you were to judge him on his first half season, when he was well pissed off with Slade's system which wouldn't allow him to play properly - then I'd agree.ElfsborgAddick said:
2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.
But he still scored 7 goals.
Robinson replaced Slade and played with 1 striker only.
That was never going to be Ajose in that system - who Robinson then picked as a winger, for God's sake.
Robinson then told him he had no future at the club and best to go out on loan. Not surprisingly, Ajose was pissed off.
Funny thing, as soon as Robinson was gone, Bowyer put him straight in the team and he impressed - and he kept his place for the rest of the season.
What did Bowyer see in Ajose, that you don't, Elfs?
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Don't know really, I only went to two games last season!!!!!!!!!!!!Oggy Red said:
If you were to judge him on his first half season, when he was well pissed off with Slade's system which wouldn't allow him to play properly - then I'd agree.ElfsborgAddick said:
2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.
But he still scored 7 goals.
Robinson replaced Slade and played with 1 striker only.
That was never going to be Ajose in that system - who Robinson then picked as a winger, for God's sake.
Robinson then told him he had no future at the club and best to go out on loan. Not surprisingly, Ajose was pissed off.
Funny thing, as soon as Robinson was gone, Bowyer put him straight in the team and he impressed - and he kept his place for the rest of the season.
What did Bowyer see in Ajose, that you don't, Elfs?
I saw his sub appearance two seasons ago in pikey land when he scored the penalty though.1 -
He impressed with his work rate and attitude but still never really looked like becoming a goalscorer IMO.Oggy Red said:
If you were to judge him on his first half season, when he was well pissed off with Slade's system which wouldn't allow him to play properly - then I'd agree.ElfsborgAddick said:
2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.
But he still scored 7 goals.
Robinson replaced Slade and played with 1 striker only.
That was never going to be Ajose in that system - who Robinson then picked as a winger, for God's sake.
Robinson then told him he had no future at the club and best to go out on loan. Not surprisingly, Ajose was pissed off.
Funny thing, as soon as Robinson was gone, Bowyer put him straight in the team and he impressed - and he kept his place for the rest of the season.
What did Bowyer see in Ajose, that you don't, Elfs?
There's a decent player in there, but all I see is a half decent League 1 striker who isn't going to help us get promoted3 -
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I'd have Ajose over KAG every day of the week.
KAG will never play (or score) regularly for us3 -
I used to think the same but I would prefer KAG and Magennis as 3rd and 4th choice strikers this season. Definitely need 2 to come in regardlessElthamaddick said:I'd have Ajose over KAG every day of the week.
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Okay, I get it, cafc1990.cafcfan1990 said:
He impressed with his work rate and attitude but still never really looked like becoming a goalscorer IMO.Oggy Red said:
If you were to judge him on his first half season, when he was well pissed off with Slade's system which wouldn't allow him to play properly - then I'd agree.ElfsborgAddick said:
2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.
But he still scored 7 goals.
Robinson replaced Slade and played with 1 striker only.
That was never going to be Ajose in that system - who Robinson then picked as a winger, for God's sake.
Robinson then told him he had no future at the club and best to go out on loan. Not surprisingly, Ajose was pissed off.
Funny thing, as soon as Robinson was gone, Bowyer put him straight in the team and he impressed - and he kept his place for the rest of the season.
What did Bowyer see in Ajose, that you don't, Elfs?
There's a decent player in there, but all I see is a half decent League 1 striker who isn't going to help us get promoted
You really don't like Ajose, do you?
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Not sure what gave you that ideaOggy Red said:
Okay, I get it, cafc1990.cafcfan1990 said:
He impressed with his work rate and attitude but still never really looked like becoming a goalscorer IMO.Oggy Red said:
If you were to judge him on his first half season, when he was well pissed off with Slade's system which wouldn't allow him to play properly - then I'd agree.ElfsborgAddick said:
2 years of nothing, dreadful body language.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
Get rid of him.
But he still scored 7 goals.
Robinson replaced Slade and played with 1 striker only.
That was never going to be Ajose in that system - who Robinson then picked as a winger, for God's sake.
Robinson then told him he had no future at the club and best to go out on loan. Not surprisingly, Ajose was pissed off.
Funny thing, as soon as Robinson was gone, Bowyer put him straight in the team and he impressed - and he kept his place for the rest of the season.
What did Bowyer see in Ajose, that you don't, Elfs?
There's a decent player in there, but all I see is a half decent League 1 striker who isn't going to help us get promoted
You really don't like Ajose, do you?2 -
I said I'd keep him. If we bring new players in, he might be a useful squad player. If we don't, then I still think he has more goals in him than we've seen.cafcfan1990 said:
Agree with most of what you say but it surely contradicts your original argument that Ajose deserves a chance?WestCountryAddick said:
Well, one half decent chance isn't really enough to hope to seal a game with. It's possible, but ultimately, it's not good enough as I'm sure you'll agree.cafcfan1990 said:
I'm not blaming Ajose specifically, but I certainly feel he had a half decent chance to score in the away leg.WestCountryAddick said:
It wasn't Ajose's fault that we failed to score in 2 play off matches. He barely had a chance at all in both those games because we failed to create anything of note in 180 minutes of football. I'd keep him, I think he has goals in him if we can find some more creative players.cafcfan1990 said:
For the same reason the likes of Thuram, Ba and Lepoint shouldn't, he's not good enough. His worth to the team was scoring 1 goal. We lost 2 play off games 1-0, a goal from him would have been huge.Oggy Red said:
Why shouldn't Ajose get another chance?cafcfan1990 said:Sorry don't get the obsession with giving Ajose chance after chance. He did come back in and show improvement in his all round game and effort, and I agree he didn't miss a string of chances but I still feel we are hoping he can rediscover that scoring form that was only really 1 season.
He's not the sort of striker who we can rely on to help us get promotion and IMO should fall below KAG in the pecking order (and I'm not a massive KAG fan).
He should be judged on his worth to the team.
This is my opinion, but I haven't seen enough in Ajose he will be able to go out, score 15 goals and help us get promoted. I also believe KAG and Ajose are fighting for one spot, and I would prefer it to go to KAG. I'm not massively against him going out on loan again and Ajose staying in the squad, but that seems a pointless move.
The fact is he hasn't scored goals yet. Nobody really knows for sure whether he would or not with better service. But if we go into the season with Magennis and Ajose as our starters then I personally believe we can forget about promotion. We don't have Holmes and can't rely on a winger in Fosu to score our goals, whilst Marshall offers very little going forward on this season's evidence. He would probably score more but IMO not enough and a new striker has to be top of our shopping list.
Clearly the Mag/Ajose partnership didn't yield enough goals, but some of the blame must go to the midfielders and wingers who need to create the openings for our strikers. I would say that if we go into next season with most of the players we have, we can kiss goodbye to promotion. Over the course of the season the squad proved that it can't create enough chances, can't score enough goals, can't mix it with the bigger tougher teams.
I don't think there are too many players who can feel 100% comfortable in their position with new owners coming in and potentially splashing a bit of cash.0 -
Keep him.
We paid quite a bit for him in 2016. I'd expand the squad, not keep it the same size.
Guess we'll find out pretty soon.2 -
To score goals you need to create chances. We created very few last season.4
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I agree with this argument. It's very true.rememberbillybonds said:To score goals you need to create chances. We created very few last season.
What I don't get is why people will use it to defend Ajose who is a finisher/goal scorer but not much else. Yet won't use it to defend Magennis who has so much more to his game and managed to end the year top scorer despite us great in no chances, despite playing on his own upfront completely isolated and under Karl's ridiculous system for most of the season. And despite the fact that he had no competition or support and had to play every minute of every game and didn't get international weekends off and so was completely run into the ground.
There are far larger mitigating circumstances for Mag than Ajose.4 -
He has goals in him,how many did he score for Swindon1
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I know I am becoming boring with my stick of Ajose but that argument is not a fair one. To counter it, how many goals did he score at Peterborough, Scunthorpe, Chesterfield, Crawley, Bury and Leeds? How many with usdoronron said:He has goals in him,how many did he score for Swindon
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