Halal meat in Asda
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I await the evidence that says it's actually less than that.Howells said:
Evidence? HahaCallumcafc said:Believe the evidence you mean?
How is "between 84 and 90 percent" subjective in any way at all? Or are we delving into alternative facts..................
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Yer, I'm converted Vegan it is. First thing first, I need the dogs put down first thing in the morning, because I wouldn't feed them meat as that would be hypocritical, right?
When's the next referendum?
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Now THAT, is the nail on the head.bigstemarra said:The idea that religion should override the moral necessity of making animal slaughter as humane as possible is disgusting.
I don't eat meat myself, but others do and that is their choice; pragmatism means that if people are going to kill animals for food (and I wish that they didn't, but that's not the point), then we should try and reduce their suffering as much as possible.
Giving people exemptions to allow them to be barbaric because of some fucking sky fairy is the epitome of backward thinking and it's a disgrace.
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4.36 to the first flag.....JaShea99 said:1:12pm
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palarsehater said:SomervilleAddick said:Chizz said:Howells said:Chizz said:SomervilleAddick said:Chizz said:
Halal meat puts a lot of British butchers out of business?palarsehater said:Personally won’t eat it, as it puts a lot of British butchers out of business as the whole halal process only employs a certain religion and that’s wrong imo!
It’s also extremely cruel.
Can you explain that? How would the method of slaughter of an animal put a butcher out of business? What nationality of butcheri_b_b_o_r_g said:SomervilleAddick said:Chizz said:Howells said:Chizz said:SomervilleAddick said:
Supermarkets are putting British butchers outChizz said:
Halal meat puts a lot of British butchers out of business?palarsehater said:Personally won’t eat it, as it puts a lot of British butchers out of business as the whole halal process only employs a certain religion and that’s wrong imo!
It’s also extremely cruel.
Can you explain that? How would the method of slaughter of an animal put a butcher out of business? What nationality of butcher is replacing the British butchers who are displaced?
And there it is.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Yer, If only we were all vegan remainers, with the backing of the EU, we could stamp out halal and kosher slaughter once and for allCallumcafc said:
Didn't say that. If it was up to me it would be 100%, for all kinds of slaughter. You'd have to ask why we are exempt from the European law.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So between 16 and 10% are jivved in the neck and left to bleed to death. CushtyCallumcafc said:
Read above. Between 84 and 90% are stunned. European law requires 100% but UK has an exemption.Howells said:
Sam, that is an assumption.sam3110 said:
Despite the fact that almost all halal meat is also stuned before slaughter?Howells said:
No.SomervilleAddick said:
I neither know or care about the nationality of the halal butchers. It’s entirely irellevent to the point, which was that the butchers (be they British - British Halal - non British halal or fucking Martian) are being put out of business by supermarkets.Chizz said:
@palarsehater said "Apologies the post should of (sic) read non-Muslim butchers". But @SomervilleAddick has said that "halal butchers" are replacing "British butchers". So I'd be interested to learn - as I don't know - which countries these non-British halal butchers come from.Howells said:
ChizzChizz said:
"Supermarkets are putting British butchers out of business. Some were replaced by halal butchers..."SomervilleAddick said:
Supermarkets are putting British butchers out of business.Chizz said:
Halal meat puts a lot of British butchers out of business?palarsehater said:Personally won’t eat it, as it puts a lot of British butchers out of business as the whole halal process only employs a certain religion and that’s wrong imo!
It’s also extremely cruel.
Can you explain that? How would the method of slaughter of an animal put a butcher out of business? What nationality of butcher is replacing the British butchers who are displaced?
Some were replaced by halal butchers, because there was a demand for it, and you couldn’t get it in the supermarket.
Now you can and supermarkets will be putting halal butchers out of business.
Can you explain what nationality these "halal butchers" are that are putting "British butchers" out of business?
Palarsehater already explained this to you.
Do you know?
But to make it clear - I very much doubt the distaste for halal meat is down to its method of slaughter. If you really cared you’d be a vegetarian. It’s just a way to express a dislike for Muslims ( British, non British, Martian) without actually saying it out loud.
It is a hideous way of ending the animal's life and it is as simple as that.
The Quran states the animal is to have the throat cut - if a butcher chooses to stun before its entirely up to them as at that point they have already complied with ther religious beliefs
I have no doubt that the bigger halal butcher's comply with the notion of stunning, too. But to assume 'almost all' without being there is simply naive0 -
Again, as I've already said, the bigger producers no doubt comply but if you think a poxy eu law is fully complied with in this country and then, you also feel that is enough to consider as 'evidence' then you're wrong.Callumcafc said:
I await the evidence that says it's actually less than that.Howells said:
Evidence? HahaCallumcafc said:Believe the evidence you mean?
How is "between 84 and 90 percent" subjective in any way at all? Or are we delving into alternative facts..................
Ok, Callum0 -
4:57 till the first fucked up quote.....1
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You're just lashing out all over the place today aren't you Rob?i_b_b_o_r_g said:4:57 till the first fucked up quote.....
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It don’t matter how it’s killed or how long it’s been dead
Nowt better than eating a nice bit of dead animal and chips covered in beef dripping1 -
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Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.2
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Did our 'sovereignty' come through early, then?Callumcafc said:
Didn't say that. If it was up to me it would be 100%, for all kinds of slaughter. You'd have to ask why we are exempt from the European law.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
So between 16 and 10% are jivved in the neck and left to bleed to death. CushtyCallumcafc said:
Read above. Between 84 and 90% are stunned. European law requires 100% but UK has an exemption.Howells said:
Sam, that is an assumption.sam3110 said:
Despite the fact that almost all halal meat is also stuned before slaughter?Howells said:
No.SomervilleAddick said:
I neither know or care about the nationality of the halal butchers. It’s entirely irellevent to the point, which was that the butchers (be they British - British Halal - non British halal or fucking Martian) are being put out of business by supermarkets.Chizz said:
@palarsehater said "Apologies the post should of (sic) read non-Muslim butchers". But @SomervilleAddick has said that "halal butchers" are replacing "British butchers". So I'd be interested to learn - as I don't know - which countries these non-British halal butchers come from.Howells said:
ChizzChizz said:
"Supermarkets are putting British butchers out of business. Some were replaced by halal butchers..."SomervilleAddick said:
Supermarkets are putting British butchers out of business.Chizz said:
Halal meat puts a lot of British butchers out of business?palarsehater said:Personally won’t eat it, as it puts a lot of British butchers out of business as the whole halal process only employs a certain religion and that’s wrong imo!
It’s also extremely cruel.
Can you explain that? How would the method of slaughter of an animal put a butcher out of business? What nationality of butcher is replacing the British butchers who are displaced?
Some were replaced by halal butchers, because there was a demand for it, and you couldn’t get it in the supermarket.
Now you can and supermarkets will be putting halal butchers out of business.
Can you explain what nationality these "halal butchers" are that are putting "British butchers" out of business?
Palarsehater already explained this to you.
Do you know?
But to make it clear - I very much doubt the distaste for halal meat is down to its method of slaughter. If you really cared you’d be a vegetarian. It’s just a way to express a dislike for Muslims ( British, non British, Martian) without actually saying it out loud.
It is a hideous way of ending the animal's life and it is as simple as that.
The Quran states the animal is to have the throat cut - if a butcher chooses to stun before its entirely up to them as at that point they have already complied with ther religious beliefs
I have no doubt that the bigger halal butcher's comply with the notion of stunning, too. But to assume 'almost all' without being there is simply naive4 -
But will lead to a mass cull of unwanted animals and a rise in unemployment as farm workers are laid off.cafcnick1992 said:Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.
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You're just lashing out all over the place today aren't you Rob?i_b_b_o_r_g said:4:57 till the first fucked up quote.....
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Surely it'll be alright if it's not stunned and a man in a funny costume has chanted some old waffle as it's plucked from the lab.cafcnick1992 said:Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.
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The problem with that is where will those animals go? Who will look after them?cafcnick1992 said:Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.
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nth london addick said:
It don’t matter how it’s killed or how long it’s been dead
Nowt better than eating a nice bit of dead animal and chips covered in beef dripping
Tell that to your heart, colon and bowel.
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Dont worry. France, Spain and Italy will relieve us of the burden. The chances of those three countries going vegan are i think fairly slim.Baldybonce said:
The problem with that is where will those animals go? Who will look after them?cafcnick1992 said:Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.
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Aren't you on this thread as well. You must know what you think? I've never been inside your head.palarsehater said:
Nope racistcafcnick1992 said:It's a disgrace that such a developed country like the UK should make exceptions to allow religious slaughter. Kosher and halal meat serves only to ensure that the animal died in the most painful way possible.
Can I also add that vegans should celebrated and not derided. I think it's great that it's taking off.
Please see the regular panel on here
@Chizz @SomervilleAddick @hoof_it_up_to_benty
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For all I know you could be a transgender, gender fluid, lentil eating social worker and if you are I'm cool with that.
We just need to love a little more and hate a little less.
I love all butchers.0 -
I reckon I've shot more animals for the reason of protecting crops, than I have for me to eat (even though 100% of the animals shot have been eaten).
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They like it the mostAddickUpNorth said:nth london addick said:It don’t matter how it’s killed or how long it’s been dead
Nowt better than eating a nice bit of dead animal and chips covered in beef dripping
Tell that to your heart, colon and bowel.0 -
Dutch or English veal ?0
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@Wheresmeticket? , what you mean lashing out mate?0
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Are you talking about bunnies ? Ffs. Easter is barely over !i_b_b_o_r_g said:I reckon I've shot more animals for the reason of protecting crops, than I have for me to eat (even though 100% of the animals shot have been eaten).
Remember that the next time you buy some fruit and veg from the shops
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But nick was saying grown meat is the future so I assume the rest of the developed world will do the same.ShootersHillGuru said:
Dont worry. France, Spain and Italy will relieve us of the burden. The chances of those three countries going vegan are i think fairly slim.Baldybonce said:
The problem with that is where will those animals go? Who will look after them?cafcnick1992 said:Grown meat in a lab will be the future and should relieve millions of animals from suffering. I still think religious types will insist on eating "real" meat, thereby ensuring the suffering continues.
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Deer, pigeon....ShootersHillGuru said:
Are you talking about bunnies ? Ffs. Easter is barely over !i_b_b_o_r_g said:I reckon I've shot more animals for the reason of protecting crops, than I have for me to eat (even though 100% of the animals shot have been eaten).
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i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I reckon I've shot more animals for the reason of protecting crops, than I have for me to eat (even though 100% of the animals shot have been eaten).
Remember that the next time you buy some fruit and veg from the shops
Next time I eat an avocado I shall offer up a special thanks to you Rob. Bless you.
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Englishoohaahmortimer said:Dutch or English veal ?
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Can we get back to the subject of halal butchers please....i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Deer, pigeon....ShootersHillGuru said:
Are you talking about bunnies ? Ffs. Easter is barely over !i_b_b_o_r_g said:I reckon I've shot more animals for the reason of protecting crops, than I have for me to eat (even though 100% of the animals shot have been eaten).
Remember that the next time you buy some fruit and veg from the shops0 -
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