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Football is now a farce

Weegie Addick
Weegie Addick Posts: 16,520
in Other Football and Sports
Liverpool v W Brom.
The day I fell out of love with the game.
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Care to elaborate?
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,959
    Agreed
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    randy andy said:

    We've had well over years of various poor levels of refereeing then VAR arrives, isn't flawless on day one and there's all this melodramatic overreaction.

    The only thing that VAR needs work on is when they go to it and we need to hear what is being said between ref and video room to clear up confusion
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Some people just dont like progress.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Weegie Addick said:

    Liverpool v W Brom.
    The day I fell out of love with the game.

    Do you want instant wrong decisions or correct VAR decision? Early days so of course it taking too long. Cricket and Rugby have it and so should the archaic game of football. They should communicate with the paying customers though while it happening.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,520
    Cricket decisions are definitive. Football ones aren't.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Weegie Addick said:

    Cricket decisions are definitive. Football ones aren't.

    ?
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    Only thing I didnt like about the penalty was it did seem forced from the players - i.e. When games have VAR there does seem to be a return to the crowding of the ref!!

    I liked what Kevin Nolan (Footballer) had to say the other day, its the Managers who get given a flag and can indicate if they want something to be looked at (they do this by using the flag they're given)... If correct they keep their flag for the time being, if not they lose it for the rest of the game.
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,567
    The_President said:

    Weegie Addick said:

    Cricket decisions are definitive. Football ones aren't.

    ?
    Perhaps more subjectivity in football is the meaning
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,841
    Cricket is a game of pauses anyway. Between each delivery, between each over etc there are periods of literal dead time, and it's not like football where you can take a quick throw or freekick, you have to wait until the opposition is ready. The pauses for DRS are just increasing the length of existing pauses, ditto the hawkeye checks in tennis.

  • RedPanda
    RedPanda Posts: 4,986
    Sampdoria v Roma had a dodgy decision on Wednesday. The ref missed a Roma handball and play was stopped and called back for a penalty about 30 seconds later. Roma players were rightly annoyed and were pointing out perhaps you'd like to go back another 15 seconds for the foul on our player. So when or where should the deadline be?

    Overall though I like it. I'm not watching the FA Cup games but it's been a positive addition to German and Italian matches this season. The commentators on BT do a good job as well, far better than any punditry on BBC.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Isnt a decision in any sport right or wrong?
    And surely the point of VAR (as it is in Cricket with DRS) is to try to get as many right decisions as possible?
    How we would have loved to have VAR when Lampards shot was over the line v Germany in the WC?
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,864
    randy andy said:

    We've had well over years of various poor levels of refereeing then VAR arrives, isn't flawless on day one and there's all this melodramatic overreaction.

    Exactly.

    Don't just dump it if it's not a hit straight away.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    killerandflash said:

    Cricket is a game of pauses anyway. Between each delivery, between each over etc there are periods of literal dead time, and it's not like football where you can take a quick throw or freekick, you have to wait until the opposition is ready. The pauses for DRS are just increasing the length of existing pauses, ditto the hawkeye checks in tennis.

    And...?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    randy andy said:

    We've had well over years of various poor levels of refereeing then VAR arrives, isn't flawless on day one and there's all this melodramatic overreaction.

    Great post Andy.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,300
    Would like to point out its a damned good game to watch... West Brom are transformed from their League form
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,520
    Just takes away all the spontaneity and the ref's authority.
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  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Maybe an option is to restrict the VAR's available to each team a la DRS.?
    The point is it will all be refined and in a couple of years we will all be wondering what the issue was.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,520
    The teams don't call for it -- the refs do.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,841
    The_President said:

    killerandflash said:

    Cricket is a game of pauses anyway. Between each delivery, between each over etc there are periods of literal dead time, and it's not like football where you can take a quick throw or freekick, you have to wait until the opposition is ready. The pauses for DRS are just increasing the length of existing pauses, ditto the hawkeye checks in tennis.

    And...?
    It feels more natural in those other sports.

    Cricket and tennis uses technology to make factual decisions too, whereas football ones are often more subjective. When players dive to get a penalty, they usually have been touched/fouled in some minute way, but how much of a touch justifies a penalty?
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    Weegie Addick said:

    Just takes away all the spontaneity and the ref's authority.

    And...? So, its ok to have a blatantly wrong decision not overridden coz we're worried about the ref's authority or letting the game flow.?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited January 2018
    RedPanda said:

    Sampdoria v Roma had a dodgy decision on Wednesday. The ref missed a Roma handball and play was stopped and called back for a penalty about 30 seconds later. Roma players were rightly annoyed and were pointing out perhaps you'd like to go back another 15 seconds for the foul on our player. So when or where should the deadline be?

    Overall though I like it. I'm not watching the FA Cup games but it's been a positive addition to German and Italian matches this season. The commentators on BT do a good job as well, far better than any punditry on BBC.

    Agreed. Been largely used well in Germany. Something they do that I don't think is being done in Britain is stopping the play (or waiting until a stopping point), then having the official go over and review the footage. I think that helps fans to understand what is going on, and quells the risk that something significant can happen in the time a play is being reviewed.

    There were complaints when video replay was brought in in American football as well. Obviously a different sport with more natural pauses (too many if you ask me), but I think you'd struggle to find a fan who wants to get rid of it now.

    Given how the rollout with goal line technology and fifth officials went, I expect it'll be another decade before pundits understand what's going on.

    But on goal line technology, my mates and I were watching the US Women's team the other day (US women's footy is a big deal here), and they didn't have goal line technology in a friendly and it felt really odd when a contentious decision came up. I had to explain to my friends that GT was only like five years old and still not universally deployed. It now seems crazy to think of a time when GT was banned (thanks Sepp).
  • Solidgone
    Solidgone Posts: 10,206
    I thought it would take away all the moaning but after reading this it reaffirms folk love to moan.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Have a retired referee say from 50 to 60 to do the VAR who can make the call after two views of the incidents which would stop the referee running over to the screen. This would speed up the process. 3 VAR and 3 correct decisions despite the Tom Daley dive by Salah.
  • The_President
    The_President Posts: 14,280
    killerandflash said:

    The_President said:

    killerandflash said:

    Cricket is a game of pauses anyway. Between each delivery, between each over etc there are periods of literal dead time, and it's not like football where you can take a quick throw or freekick, you have to wait until the opposition is ready. The pauses for DRS are just increasing the length of existing pauses, ditto the hawkeye checks in tennis.

    And...?
    It feels more natural in those other sports.

    Cricket and tennis uses technology to make factual decisions too, whereas football ones are often more subjective. When players dive to get a penalty, they usually have been touched/fouled in some minute way, but how much of a touch justifies a penalty?
    We clearly need The Touchometer.
    Zaha has a vested interest in the design of this and is the lead tester.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    edited January 2018
    Solidgone said:

    I thought it would take away all the moaning but after reading this it reaffirms folk love to moan.

    This. I'm actually not hugely in favor of VAR because as it stands I find the moaning about referees in the Prem unbearable, and I fear the whinging about VAR will be even worse.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    VAR is a good thing. They just need to learn from other sports and make the decision making quicker.

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