French elections
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Thank you Daphne...Chippycafc said:
Well saidi_b_b_o_r_g said:
I weren't bothered either way mate, as it ain't my Country which is also why I haven't commented on this thread either way. So it would be great if you could let me know why you think I'm a "sympathizer"? (sympathizer pmsl)PragueAddick said:
To answer that, we have to start with some clarity about what her manifesto actually is. Perhaps you, as a sympathizer, can help us:i_b_b_o_r_g said:Just out of interest, what was it in Le Pen's manifesto that everyone on here disagreed with so much?
And what is it that makes Macron the best person to run France?
1. What is her policy on France and the Euro?
2. Does she actually want Frexit or not?
I am not clear about either. Looking forward to your guidance...
It interests me that, when over 35 million French people either couldn't make their minds up, or couldn't be bothered, how people on here have such a clear opinion.
It's simply a question mate, not looking for you, or any of your back-up to attack me, if that's okay.3 -
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To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed3 -
Probably not; but the headline would be about Le Pen having a pair of boobs, with photographic evidence.Bournemouth Addick said:
...and if Le Pen had won? Do you still think they would have run with a story about the cost of a telephone call?smudge7946 said:
The sun is a british newspaper and reports news to Britain. I'm sure that surrender weekly, cheese eating daily, the daily frog or whatever the top selling French newspaper is called will report the election.Callumcafc said:
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Sure. I labelled you as such because over time your posts have indicated that you favour the break up of the EU (as le Pen does), the re-establishment of hard borders across Europe, (as le Pen does), and and the effective halting of immigration flows into the UK and presumably into France too (as le Pen does). Whereas Macron favours the opposite in all those cases.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I weren't bothered either way mate, as it ain't my Country which is also why I haven't commented on this thread either way. So it would be great if you could let me know why you think I'm a "sympathizer"? (sympathizer pmsl)PragueAddick said:
To answer that, we have to start with some clarity about what her manifesto actually is. Perhaps you, as a sympathizer, can help us:i_b_b_o_r_g said:Just out of interest, what was it in Le Pen's manifesto that everyone on here disagreed with so much?
And what is it that makes Macron the best person to run France?
1. What is her policy on France and the Euro?
2. Does she actually want Frexit or not?
I am not clear about either. Looking forward to your guidance...
It interests me that, when over 35 million French people either couldn't make their minds up, or couldn't be bothered, how people on here have such a clear opinion.
It's simply a question mate, not looking for you, or any of your back-up to attack me, if that's okay.
Was I right or wrong?
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Alternative facts.Henry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 -
Only of those that votedHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 -
Touchy? Tell me how so without swearing, Petal?Red_in_SE8 said:
Bit touchy? Stop being a snowflake!i_b_b_o_r_g said:
I weren't bothered either way mate, as it ain't my Country which is also why I haven't commented on this thread either way. So it would be great if you could let me know why you think I'm a "sympathizer"? (sympathizer pmsl)PragueAddick said:
To answer that, we have to start with some clarity about what her manifesto actually is. Perhaps you, as a sympathizer, can help us:i_b_b_o_r_g said:Just out of interest, what was it in Le Pen's manifesto that everyone on here disagreed with so much?
And what is it that makes Macron the best person to run France?
1. What is her policy on France and the Euro?
2. Does she actually want Frexit or not?
I am not clear about either. Looking forward to your guidance...
It interests me that, when over 35 million French people either couldn't make their minds up, or couldn't be bothered, how people on here have such a clear opinion.
It's simply a question mate, not looking for you, or any of your back-up to attack me, if that's okay.0 -
Why does that matter.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Only of those that votedHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 -
Because Henners said that 66% of people who live here voted for Macron, and they never, it was 66% of the people who bothered to vote.Fiiish said:
Why does that matter.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Only of those that votedHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 - Sponsored links:
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Same as every other election theni_b_b_o_r_g said:
Only of those that votedHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 -
Actually I didn't. I said "the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33%" which they did.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Because Henners said that 66% of people who live here voted for Macron, and they never, it was 66% of the people who bothered to vote.Fiiish said:
Why does that matter.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Only of those that votedHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed
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I'm not questioning the results, or how they're counted etc.. I just asked a pretty reasonably question.
And I get accused of being touchy
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I'm waiting for @Red_in_SE8 to tell us that only 49% voted MacronHenry Irving said:
To be fair the people who DO live there voted 66% to 33% for the MacronChippycafc said:
Interesting post and great to share your real life experiences, and say how it is. You will get shot down by people who dont live there though.Mark_West49 said:I live here and voted Mélenchon in the first round. For the second round I was one of the 39% who abstained or spoilt the ballot paper. Whilst the racist policies of Le Pen (much in evidence in the few towns where the FN hold power) would have been a disaster, the neo-liberal, pro-Europe, pro-business policies of Macron will be even worse. There is no humanity in being racist; but neither is there in tearing up social contracts and the 'Code de Travail' that workers have fought for over hundreds of years, and ultimately putting more people below the poverty line - of which there are 4/5 million.
In the first round the majority voted for parties that wanted either to leave the EU or severely curb it's powers. We've ended up with pro-Europe, pro-multinational Macron, and it will be a disaster; even more so than the five years of Hollande. Mcron will be Merkel's poodle... as Le Pen said, a woman will win the election: her or Merkel.
So, last night, I was very non-plussed by the result (it was widely predicted anyway)... a very sad day for France.
Macron is already talking about writing his wife into the constitution as first lady (so Fillon's fictive employment of his family continues in a different vain); and he's already taken an oligarchical stance. This is the man that ate his way through nearly 150,000 euros a month at Bercy while he was (the unelected) minister of the economy.
In the end, he got 65% of votes from 60% of the electorate - nobody actually wanted him, and the majority of his votes came from people not wanting Le Pen.
He's very much the president nobody wanted. If the opportunist Bayrou is ppointed to his government then the country really is f***ed0 -
I'm sorry I have no experience with a lack of church and state separationnewyorkaddick said:
I agree with freedom of religious expression broadly but the UK could learn a lot from France's clear separation of church and state especially in education.SDAddick said:
Really? You're down with having headscarves and Yarmulkes banned? Because western Europe has done similar things before, you know...J BLOCK said:Gutted
The UK is a relatively secular country yet millions of non-believers have to pretend to be otherwise to secure places for their kids in the best schools.
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I certainly agree. I mean we have legal separation of church and state and at least a couple times a week I have to explain to Oregonians that the schools aren't teaching "atheistic social Marxism" like how to be gay and have gay sex and how to hate God (no really, that's what people think).
In courts, the US, I feel, largely gets these things right, if not in practice. But there I'd something very scary about banning simple religious accessories. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not hear her talking about crosses around people's necks.0 -
I tried to answer it pal. But in true CL style it's descended into a sh*t show. Wish I hadn't bothered now.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I'm not questioning the results, or how they're counted etc.. I just asked a pretty reasonably question.
And I get accused of being touchy
Interestingly some of the things I've read that posters written since my comment (writing a First Lady into the constitution, a tax on employing foreigners and a referendum on any issue proposed by half a million citizens or more) are things that I don't agree with.
However one has to accept that they won't always align themselves with everything a single politician believes in. Given the two choices I would have agreed with the 66% of French voters, or if you'd rather 1/3 of the French population in electing Macron.1 -
Yes shame...JollyRobin said:
I tried to answer it pal. But in true CL style it's descended into a sh*t show. Wish I hadn't bothered now.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I'm not questioning the results, or how they're counted etc.. I just asked a pretty reasonably question.
And I get accused of being touchy
Interestingly some of the things I've read that posters written since my comment (writing a First Lady into the constitution, a tax on employing foreigners and a referendum on any issue proposed by half a million citizens or more) are things that I don't agree with.
However one has to accept that they won't always align themselves with everything a single politician believes in. Given the two choices I would have agreed with the 66% of French voters, or if you'd rather 1/3 of the French population in electing Macron.0 -
Hi, @JollyRobinJollyRobin said:
I tried to answer it pal. But in true CL style it's descended into a sh*t show. Wish I hadn't bothered now.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I'm not questioning the results, or how they're counted etc.. I just asked a pretty reasonably question.
And I get accused of being touchy
Interestingly some of the things I've read that posters written since my comment (writing a First Lady into the constitution, a tax on employing foreigners and a referendum on any issue proposed by half a million citizens or more) are things that I don't agree with.
However one has to accept that they won't always align themselves with everything a single politician believes in. Given the two choices I would have agreed with the 66% of French voters, or if you'd rather 1/3 of the French population in electing Macron.
Just to clarify, those two thing are Le Pen manifesto commitments, not Macron's. I think you got them from my post, which perhaps didn't make clear that I was listing what I don't like about Le Pen's manifesto (in addition to those you yourself listed).
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No wonder I was confused, thanks for the clarification.PragueAddick said:
Hi, @JollyRobinJollyRobin said:
I tried to answer it pal. But in true CL style it's descended into a sh*t show. Wish I hadn't bothered now.i_b_b_o_r_g said:I'm not questioning the results, or how they're counted etc.. I just asked a pretty reasonably question.
And I get accused of being touchy
Interestingly some of the things I've read that posters written since my comment (writing a First Lady into the constitution, a tax on employing foreigners and a referendum on any issue proposed by half a million citizens or more) are things that I don't agree with.
However one has to accept that they won't always align themselves with everything a single politician believes in. Given the two choices I would have agreed with the 66% of French voters, or if you'd rather 1/3 of the French population in electing Macron.
Just to clarify, those two thing are Le Pen manifesto commitments, not Macron's. I think you got them from my post, which perhaps didn't make clear that I was listing what I don't like about Le Pen's manifesto (in addition to those you yourself listed).2 - Sponsored links:
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The first meeting between President Macron and President Trump will be interesting. For Trump, he will be able to ask what it's like to win the popular vote in a Presidential Election. And for Macron, he'll be the first French President who speaks better English than his American counterpart.4
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why all the fuss ? .. it should not affect the UK one jot ..2
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Just seen him on the news. Didn't realise he was a short arse like Hollande. What is it with the Frogs and chippy lil fellas? Only De Gaulle was a strapping six footer...0
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Napoleonic complexsoapy_jones said:Just seen him on the news. Didn't realise he was a short arse like Hollande. What is it with the Frogs and chippy lil fellas? Only De Gaulle was a strapping six footer...
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Didn't we have the exact same argument of "but only x percent voted so really no-one liked the result" about Brexit?
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Funnily enough, with the exact same people who whinged about those who pointed out this fact about Brexit now using the same argument.Callumcafc said:Didn't we have the exact same argument of "but only x percent voted so really no-one liked the result" about Brexit?
Looks like the same argument to me, with sides reversed.
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What is amazing is since west's post champagne corks have stopped popping.0
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Could be good news?Lincsaddick said:why all the fuss ? .. it should not affect the UK one jot ..
https://google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_591062c5e4b0104c73505ee6/amp1 -
Dont post this....already have enough people in the gallowsstonemuse said:
Could be good news?Lincsaddick said:why all the fuss ? .. it should not affect the UK one jot ..
https://google.co.uk/amp/m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_591062c5e4b0104c73505ee6/amp0
