French elections
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I must be missing a brain then. Could somebody let me know if it's found please?Lincsaddick said:
as has been writ (don't ask by whom) .. anyone who is not a socialist in their teens has not got a heart .. anyone who is still socialist in their forties has not got a brainJoshrewCAFC said:
Ah yes, but in many countries like our own the youth always support towards the left and the older generations more right wing. This trend has been going on for a long time, the youth don't carry on their liberal views forever, the world of work changes people's views to be more realistic as well as more hardline. I don't think we can say the FN will die with this older generation.jimmymelrose said:Firstly, I did not directly state that Brexit is racist. What I did say was that I do not see Le Pen as being any more racist than Farage, or Le Front National as being any more racist than Brexit. It all depends what one's definition of racist is. One mistake that British people might make is to equate Le Front National with The National Front. They are not the same thing. Looking at Le Front National's manifesto I do not see anything any more racist than the main arguments I heard for Brexit.
You don't need me to read and translate. If you are interested read the manifesto in English here: https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/a4_144_engagements_eng_bd.pdf
If you choose not to read this then please don't assume that you know what Le Front National is proposing.
The question remains thereafter: 'Do you believe the manifesto and do you believe Le Pen?'
My answer to this question is no, in the same manner as I do not belive anything Farage, Johnson et al said during the referendum campaign. Much as Le Front National would be bad for France, so will Brexit be for the people of Britain. I do believe that Le Pen is inherently racist but I do also believe that this is true of Farage (hence my initial comment). This is of course my opinion. What is not opinion are the manifestos.
Lastly, some forecasts.
1. My forecast is that this Presendential race will finish closer than many predict. I have watched Macron speak on TV this evening just as I did Le Pen on Tuesday evening. Despite being a Macron supporter I fear that he will appear less convincing to some of those as yet undecided voters. Le Pen has a more convincing authoritarian manner. She has also learnt to smile and also to laugh politely when under criticism. She is a formidable politician and does deserve some grudging admiration.
2. A long term forecast: Do not underestimate the increasing force of Melenchon. He has gained huge support from the French youth. Whereas Le Front National's hard core support is the older generation, Melenchon's is the youth. The latter will only increase in number over time, and the former decrease. Melenchon may not continue much longer due to his age but this election will leave a legacy that the young electorate will continue.4 -
Are you sure? Could he have been confused?IA said:
Macron didn't even campaign in WisconsinSDAddick said:Look, I think we all know who's to blame here...Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Paris
Town in Wisconsin
Paris is a town in Kenosha County, Wisconsin, United States. The population was 1,473 at the 2000 census. The unincorporated community of Paris is located within the town.2 -
what are the damaging allegations then? (Amongst the fake news)
My google skills are obviously not very good as I can only find reports of the act not the contents. Can anyone nudge me in right direction?0 -
And anyone who is right wing at any age is a complete bastard. I'm not sure who said this, but I think it was me.Lincsaddick said:
as has been writ (don't ask by whom) .. anyone who is not a socialist in their teens has not got a heart .. anyone who is still socialist in their forties has not got a brainJoshrewCAFC said:
Ah yes, but in many countries like our own the youth always support towards the left and the older generations more right wing. This trend has been going on for a long time, the youth don't carry on their liberal views forever, the world of work changes people's views to be more realistic as well as more hardline. I don't think we can say the FN will die with this older generation.jimmymelrose said:Firstly, I did not directly state that Brexit is racist. What I did say was that I do not see Le Pen as being any more racist than Farage, or Le Front National as being any more racist than Brexit. It all depends what one's definition of racist is. One mistake that British people might make is to equate Le Front National with The National Front. They are not the same thing. Looking at Le Front National's manifesto I do not see anything any more racist than the main arguments I heard for Brexit.
You don't need me to read and translate. If you are interested read the manifesto in English here: https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/a4_144_engagements_eng_bd.pdf
If you choose not to read this then please don't assume that you know what Le Front National is proposing.
The question remains thereafter: 'Do you believe the manifesto and do you believe Le Pen?'
My answer to this question is no, in the same manner as I do not belive anything Farage, Johnson et al said during the referendum campaign. Much as Le Front National would be bad for France, so will Brexit be for the people of Britain. I do believe that Le Pen is inherently racist but I do also believe that this is true of Farage (hence my initial comment). This is of course my opinion. What is not opinion are the manifestos.
Lastly, some forecasts.
1. My forecast is that this Presendential race will finish closer than many predict. I have watched Macron speak on TV this evening just as I did Le Pen on Tuesday evening. Despite being a Macron supporter I fear that he will appear less convincing to some of those as yet undecided voters. Le Pen has a more convincing authoritarian manner. She has also learnt to smile and also to laugh politely when under criticism. She is a formidable politician and does deserve some grudging admiration.
2. A long term forecast: Do not underestimate the increasing force of Melenchon. He has gained huge support from the French youth. Whereas Le Front National's hard core support is the older generation, Melenchon's is the youth. The latter will only increase in number over time, and the former decrease. Melenchon may not continue much longer due to his age but this election will leave a legacy that the young electorate will continue.6 -
It now appears the 'fake emails' are not and are being used as a smokescreen to cover up some of the more serous allegations against Macron and his team which includeMrOneLung said:what are the damaging allegations then? (Amongst the fake news)
My google skills are obviously not very good as I can only find reports of the act not the contents. Can anyone nudge me in right direction?
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Thank Christ for that!7
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bigger win than even the polls predicted.
Vive la France3 -
Now they can get their snouts back in the EU trough...0
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Looks like a resounding rejection of hatred. Well done France.14
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Thank god for the French. I wanna be sick in my mouth for saying that.0
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Que the havoc at Calais/Dover to intensify0
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Which part of Le Pen's policies do you like?J BLOCK said:Gutted
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Ironically Brexit has actually strengthened pro-European feeling in most other countries, as seen today in France, Spain's elections last year and other recent European elections. So much for the demise of the EU as forecast by the leave campaign and supporters. Brexit has now become a useful case study in chaos for the EU and pro-EU European political parties.7
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A bit racist...Callumcafc said:Thank god for the French. I wanna be sick in my mouth for saying that.
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Must be great for the other EU nations watching what a massive mistake we're making.CharltonMadrid said:Ironically Brexit has actually strengthened pro-European feeling in most other countries, as seen today in France, Spain's elections last year and other recent European elections. So much for the demise of the EU as forecast by the leave campaign and supporters. Brexit has now become a useful case study in chaos for the EU and pro-EU European political parties.
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Just bants. I love our French cousins really.C_A_F_C said:
A bit racist...Callumcafc said:Thank god for the French. I wanna be sick in my mouth for saying that.
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Over a third of the country voting for a far right xenophobe is by no means a poor result. Look what UKIP achieved here and the best they ever got was 25% in 2014.Chizz said:2 -
Low turnout and very high percentage of abstentions too. Didn't even know they could do that.0
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Excellent news.
Good to have a determine federal French leader who is able to strengthen it's EU contributions to fill the gaping financial hole left by Brexit.2 -
72%. Low turnout? I'll come back to that on June 9...MrOneLung said:Low turnout and very high percentage of abstentions too. Didn't even know they could do that.
They are, apparently, allowed to submit "none of the above" on their voting papers
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I love that, it's so beautifully French. The act of being civically engaged just so that you can clearly say "no thank you."PragueAddick said:
72%. Low turnout? I'll come back to that on June 9...MrOneLung said:Low turnout and very high percentage of abstentions too. Didn't even know they could do that.
They are, apparently, allowed to submit "none of the above" on their voting papers0 -
I thought it was done with name cards herePragueAddick said:
72%. Low turnout? I'll come back to that on June 9...MrOneLung said:Low turnout and very high percentage of abstentions too. Didn't even know they could do that.
They are, apparently, allowed to submit "none of the above" on their voting papers0
