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Thanks Yoda.BillG said:A narrow escape I think this will prove.
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Hate to say it but I'd rather Salt and Vinegar in charge rather than Mr Tomatoking addick said:Looking on Sky Bet and Steve Evans is 25/1....the fact that he is even on the list is worrying!
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strange - yes it does ... getting ready to present her CV to a new company?Alwaysneil said:Has anyone done a Google search on KAtrien again recently?
I think I've found what she does all day which is to contact Google and have items removed as a result of them being 'excessive'.
The profile is now looking cleaner than it has for months.
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He's not cornered. Someone will take the job and it could be an internal promotion for Simon Clark.queensland_addick said:The rat is now cornered. He could waste more time trying to con some British has been manager into accepting his terms and risk getting rejected again. He could risk appointing Nobby or another Karel and continue down into League Two, or he could do the sensible thing and pick up the phone to Peter Varney.
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Why would Simon Clark take the role on he knows that Jason Euell turned down the position he was offered and probably knows why1
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Euell couldn't agree terms in the coaching role involved with the first team not as head coach. There's a huge difference and if Clark or for that matter Euell were offered it they would be mad to refuse.valleyrobin said:Why would Simon Clark take the role on he knows that Jason Euell turned down the position he was offered and probably knows why
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We will all have views on what we think needs to happen at our beloved club - If Duchatelet changed his ways and started doing positive things, he might be as good an owner as any other - it would be a question on whether we could forgive him. There was an indication that that might be the case with this news of Wilder about to sign as we realised that he would have had to have been given certain assurances that would have been contrary to the way the club has been run up to now. He is the sort of manager I would appoint if I owned the club in its current position, so I'm not going to be negative about it when it looks like happening. I never thought that solely the appointment of Wilder was enough, but it could have been a step in a new direction.
Of course the owner, like a leppard, seems unable to change his spots and we can see that he can't give up on his flawed systems -He said he intended to learn from the mistakes, but he never explained what he thought the mistakes were - I assumed, as these mistakes were repeated, that he didn't really understand them fully! It seems clear that this is the case. Now it is difficult to see how any decent manager is going to come to us - we will have our pick from the useless and desperate. The other important thing here, is that we need a manager soon - there are a lot of big decisions to be made in preparation for next season. This club is a total shambles!!!0 -
There wasn't an indication that he was going to change his ways. He offered to meet an English coach but would not give him proper control of footballing matters. So whilst the nationality of manager may have changed, nothing else did. This is why it's important not to get carried away when we are linked with people. As you say, Duchatelet will not change his overall strategy, and I find it incredible that people made a leap from interviewing an Englishman for the job to Roland completely changing his modus operandi. It's not going to happen. Whilst they might bend slightly, they still want a puppet to do their bidding, and that's the way it will always be until they are gone.8
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I'd be very interested to see how fans would react to such an appointment. No experience in management and will have agreed to have his strings pulled by Roland. If he didn't get off to a flying start, I could only see the anger ramping up to new levels. If I were Simon or Jason, I'd steer well clear.Covered End said:
He's not cornered. Someone will take the job and it could be an internal promotion for Simon Clark.queensland_addick said:The rat is now cornered. He could waste more time trying to con some British has been manager into accepting his terms and risk getting rejected again. He could risk appointing Nobby or another Karel and continue down into League Two, or he could do the sensible thing and pick up the phone to Peter Varney.
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I don't doubt that the club made errors regarding this appointment but I don't think we should underestimate the influence that Sheffield United giving Wilder a ring will have had on his decision.
My feeling is that everything was fine until Sheffield Utd contacted him and he was forced to delay while his agent made enquiries. Once it became clear they were very interested there was ever only one outcome.
In this instance I'm of the opinion it was more about bad timing as anything else.2 - Sponsored links:
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The problem is that knowing Wilder declined the job because of control, not money, will now undermine any manager who subsequently takes the job!2
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Listen, they would have already known about Wilder's demands. They could have had a contract drawn up before they even met with him and had it signed on Monday. He'd already met Duchatelet the previous week so there was plenty of time to get this done. The Sheffield United situation wouldn't have been a consideration if they'd moved quickly, but they didn't.ShootersHillGuru said:I don't doubt that the club made errors regarding this appointment but I don't think we should underestimate the influence that Sheffield United giving Wilder a ring will have had on his decision.
My feeling is that everything was fine until Sheffield Utd contacted him and he was forced to delay while his agent made enquiries. Once it became clear they were very interested there was ever only one outcome.
In this instance I'm of the opinion it was more about bad timing as anything else.3 -
The would have known them because they were willing to verbally agree to them. It was when he wanted verbal assurances written in, they backed off! There is only one conclusion to be drawn - they were lying to him - now that can't be possible! Not them!3
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In other words they only lie verbally, not in black & white.MuttleyCAFC said:The would have known them because they were willing to verbally agree to them. It was when he wanted verbal assurances written in, they backed off! There is only one conclusion to be drawn - they were lying to him - now that can't be possible! Not them!
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They lie verbally as they will then claim they were misinterpretated.3
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I'd agree we have been played. By Roland and Daisy. Ticks the box that they have looked around and even approached English manager. But by refusing to put guarantees of managerial independence in writing they knew they would be turned down. Now they can appoint their next puppet. In their blinkered, idiotic minds this will appease some fans who ridiculed Daisy for her "we've had 20 CVs" crap last year.colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
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Well maybe but I think it's nieve to think that this could all be tied up in a couple of days.WestCountryAddick said:
Listen, they would have already known about Wilder's demands. They could have had a contract drawn up before they even met with him and had it signed on Monday. He'd already met Duchatelet the previous week so there was plenty of time to get this done. The Sheffield United situation wouldn't have been a consideration if they'd moved quickly, but they didn't.ShootersHillGuru said:I don't doubt that the club made errors regarding this appointment but I don't think we should underestimate the influence that Sheffield United giving Wilder a ring will have had on his decision.
My feeling is that everything was fine until Sheffield Utd contacted him and he was forced to delay while his agent made enquiries. Once it became clear they were very interested there was ever only one outcome.
In this instance I'm of the opinion it was more about bad timing as anything else.
Like I said I don't doubt there were mistakes and possibly the biggest of those was not to realise the possibility that another club was lurking in the shadows.
Do we know for certain that the "snag" was regarding written assurances or are we now perhaps rightly so cynical of the regime that we just assume that was the problem.
Purely my speculation but is it possible that Wilder dragged his feet while the Sheffield United situation became clear to him.
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So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
Looks like we been played .....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.7 -
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If for instance say we have been played by Chris wilder.....a league 2 manager as of a month ago...
Doesn't that further indicate that the club is even more of a complete joke?
So we've been played by wilder even though we approached him and his club for his services? He saw it coming all along?1 -
If only things were that straightforward. I'm confident that Wilder wanted to come right throughout the process right up until he was made aware (by Sheffield Utd) ? that they were interested. Yes they have a manager in place but if the SU board have already decided Adkins was to be replaced I don't doubt that they would contact Wilder. That for him would be a huge "snag" in his decision.Dave2l said:
So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
Looks like we been played .....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.
It's hard not too pour all the blame onto Charlton but in this case I think there is enough evidence to cut them some slack until we know more.
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Indeed, it's ridiculous. This has been rumbling on for some time. It was mooted a number of weeks ago that we were interested in Wilder.Dave2l said:If for instance say we have been played by Chris wilder.....a league 2 manager as of a month ago...
Doesn't that further indicate that the club is even more of a complete joke?
So we've been played by wilder even though we approached him and his club for his services? He saw it coming all along?0 -
well we approached Wilder before Riga had resigned. Wilder met RD in Belgium last week and if RD had agreed the assurances Wilder wanted then and had then followed it up in writing I have no doubt that Wilder would be our new manager now. By lying to him and prevaricating RD & KM allowed Sheff Utd into the frame and gave Wilder another, better option. It's RD's and Daisy's fault entirely. Amateurish.Dave2l said:
So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
Looks like we been played .....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.
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Do we know for certain that Wilder was lied to ?LargeAddick said:
well we approached Wilder before Riga had resigned. Wilder met RD in Belgium last week and if RD had agreed the assurances Wilder wanted then and had then followed it up in writing I have no doubt that Wilder would be our new manager now. By lying to him and prevaricating RD & KM allowed Sheff Utd into the frame and gave Wilder another, better option. It's RD's and Daisy's fault entirely. Amateurish.Dave2l said:
So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
Looks like we been played .....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.
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as I said on Saturday he spoke to RD last week, spoke to friends in the game, and turned it down on Friday. By Monday it was back on again. So something had changed. It's reasonable to assume that they had agreed to provide the assurances he demanded after all only to renege on them later.ShootersHillGuru said:
Do we know for certain that Wilder was lied to ?LargeAddick said:
well we approached Wilder before Riga had resigned. Wilder met RD in Belgium last week and if RD had agreed the assurances Wilder wanted then and had then followed it up in writing I have no doubt that Wilder would be our new manager now. By lying to him and prevaricating RD & KM allowed Sheff Utd into the frame and gave Wilder another, better option. It's RD's and Daisy's fault entirely. Amateurish.Dave2l said:
So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....colin1961 said:Adkins set to be sacked by Sheff Utd
Looks like we been played .....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.1 -
Can't help but at least slightly agree with Colin here, can't imagine Wilder had no idea that Sheff U would sack Adkins at the time of our approach. We see it happen with players all the time, stalling on a deal in case another better offer comes in. If he thought there was a chance of not moving his family and managing his local team I think it's entirely possible he wasn't too keen on the job altogether. As far as I know a verbal agreement is enough to take someone to court anyway so I'm not too sure how well that stands up anyway.
If this was under any other ownership we'd all be saying this. Yes we should have pushed to get the deal done but I think it may well have been on his end. As I said the other day I hate this regime as much as anyone but this is just a reality of the modern game, it's not exclusive to Roland and Katrien.0
