There wasn't an indication that he was going to change his ways. He offered to meet an English coach but would not give him proper control of footballing matters. So whilst the nationality of manager may have changed, nothing else did. This is why it's important not to get carried away when we are linked with people. As you say, Duchatelet will not change his overall strategy, and I find it incredible that people made a leap from interviewing an Englishman for the job to Roland completely changing his modus operandi. It's not going to happen. Whilst they might bend slightly, they still want a puppet to do their bidding, and that's the way it will always be until they are gone.
Duchatelet's only interest in football is in proving his model. He won't change.
I've pulled together a few thoughts on the situation based on a variety of sources here.
You say "The Belgian is believed to be closer to selling the club than his acolytes want to admit". Do you think he is likely to be even closer to selling if he can't find a suitable manager?
I've pulled together a few thoughts on the situation based on a variety of sources here.
"The Belgian is believed to be closer to selling the club than his acolytes want to admit, but it seems he has been persuaded by them to try a more conventional route to promotion in order to try to maximise its value before he does so."
Like a gambler trying to win his chips back after a poor night at the casino. Never ends well!
So wilder went all the way to Belgian...to say look at me look at me Sheffield I'm available....before the managers position was vacant....so your suggesting that Sheffield united made an approach for wilder before Adkins was sacked (if he gets the chop)...and that prompted wilder to meet with RD in Belgium to furthermore encourage the sacking of Nigel Adkins....
Or wilder expected united to sack Adkins simply because wilder has declared that he might be more ambitious then Northampton so that automatically makes him an attractive prospect?
It may well end up that wilder goes Sheffield united, I wouldn't rule it out...I would however rule out the accusation that "we have been played" by Chris wilder.
If only things were that straightforward. I'm confident that Wilder wanted to come right throughout the process right up until he was made aware (by Sheffield Utd) ? that they were interested. Yes they have a manager in place but if the SU board have already decided Adkins was to be replaced I don't doubt that they would contact Wilder. That for him would be a huge "snag" in his decision.
It's hard not too pour all the blame onto Charlton but in this case I think there is enough evidence to cut them some slack until we know more.
We will know more if they appoint a traditionally minded manager who is allowed to work on his own terms (in writing). If that happens, then indeed it would give some credence to the Sheffield United angle regarding Wilder. If on the other hand they revert to type with Nobby or whoever, then it seems pretty likely that Wilder balked at the absence of credible terms, rather than he was seduced away by Sheffield United
I thinks that's entirely reasonable. What I do know though @seth plum is that Sheffield United is Wilders club. He lives in Sheffield. Very big pulls.
Yes, and it is a good job which he ought to take. However the series of events, taken chronologically according to reports (jet to Belgium, announcements, deal on, then off, then on again and finally off) suggests to me that the Sheffield United thing was a fortunate happenstance, and if Sheffield United didn't want a manager, then Wilder would have turned us down anyway.
This is my view also.
Your previous post regarding what happens next is spot on too. If we get a manager that is given full control, we may be able to say that the Sheffield United situation did in fact have more of an influence than we thought.
At least Chris Wilder gave us some on the field hope for a few days. Thanks Chris!
Maybe Roland and Katrien didn't mess up this time. Perhaps they did the whole thing right but the huge number of errors over the last 2 years were too much of an obstacle for Wilder when it came to signing as you'd imagine it would be for lots of managers.
I've pulled together a few thoughts on the situation based on a variety of sources here.
You say "The Belgian is believed to be closer to selling the club than his acolytes want to admit". Do you think he is likely to be even closer to selling if he can't find a suitable manager?
If a sale was imminent, it might make things easier to not have an incumbent manager, seeing that most owners like to bring their own person in
If Duchatelet did fly Chris Wilder to Belgium last week without Northampton's permission is he not in breach of FA/FL rules?
I've been wondering about this, and given that Wilder appears to have a clause in his contract allowing him to leave, maybe Northampton DID give permission in private last week but kept the announcement quiet until they were convinced he was leaving?
Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko 12m12 minutes ago Chris Wilder. Gets madder. Blackburn have him on their short list too. Sheff U still fav. Forest missing out. Charlton Bolton snubbed
Now that's how you get a contract deal done. Why did it take us so damn long to get nowhere?
What you talking about we had the deal done and dusted by Tuesday evening , can't do anything about Sheff Utd speaking to him after that ... Hence on Wednesday he asked for more time ...
We announced we were in talks Monday Colin AND he was flown out to see Roly last week. Sheff United announced they were in talks 5 hours ago.
Now that's how you get a contract deal done. Why did it take us so damn long to get nowhere?
What you talking about we had the deal done and dusted by Tuesday evening , can't do anything about Sheff Utd speaking to him after that ... Hence on Wednesday he asked for more time ...
Even your "done & dusted" is different to the real worlds "done & dusted"....bonkers
I think he was using us to get to manage the team he supports. I know it's hard to imagine but perhaps he was given full control over transfers but Sheff Utd came in and decided to go there. It did happen suspiciously quick.
What you talking about we had the deal done and dusted by Tuesday evening , can't do anything about Sheff Utd speaking to him after that ... Hence on Wednesday he asked for more time ...
I think he was using us to get to manager the team he supports. I know it's hard to imagine but perhaps he was given full control over transfers but Sheff Utd came in and decided to go there. It did happen suspiciously quick.
Probably heard they were interested yesterday and told them what we offered. They agreed the same but gave him footballing autonomy, as he supports them and lives there it was an easy decision.
I think he was using us to get to manager the team he supports. I know it's hard to imagine but perhaps he was given full control over transfers but Sheff Utd came in and decided to go there. It did happen suspiciously quick.
I think on this one people may just have to accept that we were gazumped by Sheff Utd - his club, lives in the city, etc...
I think he was using us to get to manager the team he supports. I know it's hard to imagine but perhaps he was given full control over transfers but Sheff Utd came in and decided to go there. It did happen suspiciously quick.
I think on this one people may just have to accept that we were gazumped by Sheff Utd - his club, lives in the city, etc...
I think he was using us to get to manager the team he supports. I know it's hard to imagine but perhaps he was given full control over transfers but Sheff Utd came in and decided to go there. It did happen suspiciously quick.
I think on this one people may just have to accept that we were gazumped by Sheff Utd - his club, lives in the city, etc...
Not having to work for a bonkers owner and useless ceo
Now that's how you get a contract deal done. Why did it take us so damn long to get nowhere?
What you talking about we had the deal done and dusted by Tuesday evening , can't do anything about Sheff Utd speaking to him after that ... Hence on Wednesday he asked for more time ...
The club were fuming you leaked the info and pulled out. They are going to give the job to Jackson just to spite you.
Now that's how you get a contract deal done. Why did it take us so damn long to get nowhere?
What you talking about we had the deal done and dusted by Tuesday evening , can't do anything about Sheff Utd speaking to him after that ... Hence on Wednesday he asked for more time ...
The club were fuming you leaked the info and pulled out. They are going to give the job to Jackson just to spite you.
If we were a more straightforward club to manage I'm sure CW would be our manager by now. Unfortunately, whatever efforts there might be to run us more conventionally in the future, the precedent has been set at the club and quite understandably someone like Wilder had to think longer and harder and do his research before accepting the job. I'm not sure he was trying to flush Sheff U out, but the delay gave them time to come in and once they did I don't think we can blame him for going there instead.
Bottom line, if they hadn't made such a balls up of the last 2 years, he probably would have signed within 24 to 48 hours of our approach.
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"The Belgian is believed to be closer to selling the club than his acolytes want to admit, but it seems he has been persuaded by them to try a more conventional route to promotion in order to try to maximise its value before he does so."
Like a gambler trying to win his chips back after a poor night at the casino.
Never ends well!
Your previous post regarding what happens next is spot on too. If we get a manager that is given full control, we may be able to say that the Sheffield United situation did in fact have more of an influence than we thought.
Maybe Roland and Katrien didn't mess up this time. Perhaps they did the whole thing right but the huge number of errors over the last 2 years were too much of an obstacle for Wilder when it came to signing as you'd imagine it would be for lots of managers.
This was my favourite line
Chris Wilder. Gets madder. Blackburn have him on their short list too. Sheff U still fav. Forest missing out. Charlton Bolton snubbed
Now that's how you get a contract deal done. Why did it take us so damn long to get nowhere?
Oh well done Katrien, well done. [sarcasm]
We announced we were in talks Monday Colin AND he was flown out to see Roly last week. Sheff United announced they were in talks 5 hours ago.
Can it, muppet.
Even your "done & dusted" is different to the real worlds "done & dusted"....bonkers
The club were fuming you leaked the info and pulled out.
They are going to give the job to Jackson just to spite you.
Live, lie, lie and be happy.
The club were fuming you leaked the info and pulled out.
They are going to give the job to Jackson just to spite you.
Live love, love and be happy.
Henry has the copyright for that last bit.
Bottom line, if they hadn't made such a balls up of the last 2 years, he probably would have signed within 24 to 48 hours of our approach.