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  • I'd be happy with Haim being third/fourth choice with Lennon and Gomez getting a game here and there as sub and in the cups, maybe a loan too, but wouldn't be happy if Haim is going to be one of the two first choice centre halves. Need someone to compliment Morro.
  • The last slow 30 year old, international CB who'd played in a champions league final and also played for standard liege we had come in didn't work out too bad for a season........
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    Who was that? Will probably kick myself if you say who...
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  • Greenie said:

    It is negative because you have no proof, it is bullshit, well because you made it up. You're guessing and scaremongering. Read back from your opening post, its all quoted here.
    Its just poison.
    No I am not guessing and scaremongering, I am reaching a conclusion, yes an opinion, based on the evidence as it seems to me, isn't that what many people do?
    Why be scared anyway, there seem to be some Charlton supporters around who would be content if we were a reserve/'B' team?
  • seth plum said:

    No I am not guessing and scaremongering, I am reaching a conclusion, yes an opinion, based on the evidence as it seems to me, isn't that what many people do?
    Why be scared anyway, there seem to be some Charlton supporters around who would be content if we were a reserve/'B' team?
    I'm sorry but I just don't see how the (possible) signing of one defender can be spun into 'we are a reserve/B team', it just doesn't fit. All the work done refurbishing the Valley stadium as a whole, not just the pitch, genuinely exciting signings in Moussa and Vetokele, a proven midfielder in Buyens, Morrison on a new contract, why bother with all of that for a simple reserve outfit? It doesn't fit to me, at all. An experienced CB was needed now Wood decided to move on - so we hear of interest in Ben Haim. Seems perfectly logical to me.
  • I really do not see how signing Ben Haim is a negative. Unless we are planning on him and Morrison with Gomez and Lennon back up. Which is slow and inexperienced respectively. We need a partner for Morrison, Ben Haim third choice and Lennon fourth choice. Would be very happy with that.
  • As 3rd choice I can deal with it......as a starter......we're shipping shit loads of goals.
  • Thing is that your third and fourth choice CBs have to be ready to play.

    As we say last season our first choice, Cort, was out injured so Dervite and Wood both got games.

    If we sign TBH then he has be at a level to play league games as Wood was.
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  • edited July 2014

    I really do not see how signing Ben Haim is a negative. Unless we are planning on him and Morrison with Gomez and Lennon back up. Which is slow and inexperienced respectively. We need a partner for Morrison, Ben Haim third choice and Lennon fourth choice. Would be very happy with that.

    As 3rd choice I can deal with it......as a starter......we're shipping shit loads of goals.

    I agree, and I have always maintained I see Ben Haim coming in (if indeed he does) as a literal replacement for Wood - a bit of experience and aerial ability to bring off the bench, and as cover for cup games/injuries/suspensions, but I expect another signing as a direct replacement for Dervite - someone to partner Morrison as first choice pairing at the back. I just think some people are reading far too much into one (possible, unconfirmed) signing here.
  • edited July 2014
    seth plum said:

    No I am not guessing and scaremongering, I am reaching a conclusion, yes an opinion, based on the evidence as it seems to me, isn't that what many people do?
    Why be scared anyway, there seem to be some Charlton supporters around who would be content if we were a reserve/'B' team?
    I'm not doing it anymore. Its a waste of time and energy. I despair I really do.
  • There is a reason why we are 9/5 on for relegation with the bookies and this might be it .
  • seth plum said:

    Only once been in the boardroom, and yes one of the guys I spoke to was not especially explicit, but was there with Karel Fraeye and was a stats bloke, the conversation was wide ranging, but it was of the type that when you look at subsequent events what was said originally takes on a different aspect.
    I have also heard the 'results don't matter' angle put to me from a less attributable source, and there is Alex Dyers 'Geoffrey Howe' leaving interview to add to the mix.

    I really hope I am wrong about where the priorities lie, and I suspect the truth is more muddied and organic than black and white, where expediency can push a set plan to the side.

    I simply want to be sure that the whole Charlton Athletic playing enterprise is about trying to score goals, win matches, get points and climb the table when I attend the matches I have paid in advance for, but still there remains the nagging doubts or perhaps I am also engaged in the search for oohaah's lost mojo.

    I'm hoping we're detecting a bit of a sea change in RD's priorities though. If the reported fee for Igor is in any way accurate then - unless it's a smart way round European FFP regulations and essentially a temporary storage facility for promising players - perhaps the ambition for Charlton has changed a bit. More so, perhaps, Buyens - who played more than half of SL's games last year, is on the fringes of the Belgian squad and is a bit of a fan favourite by all accounts.

    Time will indeed tell - if Ezekiel walks up soon then I'll start to be convinced - but it does seem we're getting a better standard of player into the club, and that's hardly harming us even if they're not here forever (but who is).
  • Is this fella going to be a first teamer or back up like wood?

    Do people think we've signed a donut or a diamond?

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  • As someone who works in Portsmouth, my colleagues general opinion is...

    1) Mercenary
    2) Good Player
    3) Would do a job at Championship level.
    4) Reads the game well
    In that order?
  • Thing is that your third and fourth choice CBs have to be ready to play.

    As we say last season our first choice, Cort, was out injured so Dervite and Wood both got games.

    If we sign TBH then he has be at a level to play league games as Wood was.

    Exactly. And I think he very well could be at least as good as Wood and Cort at this level - he's still only 32.

    This is a player who spent a long time in the Premiership, and did very well for Bolton and, in particular, Chelsea where he typically had to compete with Carvalho, Alex and Terry. His playing career was disrupted at Portsmouth by the unpaid wages wrangle - not many of us would walk away being owed £1.4m - and whilst the last couple of years have been a write off that doesn't mean the good player isn't lurking within.

    I think we should give him a chance, personally. Give him a proper pre-season and he might get back to being the player he once was. If he does, none of us will complain. If he doesn't, he probably won't be in the first team will he - and it's not as if we're throwing a big transfer fee at it.
  • Although it is disturbing that there's a Belgium fast food chain - Quick -
    going large on the donuts this summer.
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    Or, if you prefer:
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  • Greenie said:

    I'm not doing it anymore. Its a waste of time and energy.
    Then something good has come out of this.
  • We haven't seen him play in England for a good while but when we did jeesus H christ he was pony. The very last thing we need dawdling around in our back 4 is a '32 year old never as good as he thought he was' flotsam from the mothership. As well as leaking goals he'll be bunging up the squad and wasting precious funds.
    I hope to goodness this is lazy journalists putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 3.5
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  • What amazes me is that there are more comments on this thread based on unsubstantiated rumour than there are on Moussa's thread who HAS signed.
  • seth plum said:

    Buyens is on loan.

    I know Seth mate

  • Uboat said:

    Then something good has come out of this.
    And your point is...?
  • bobmunro said:

    What amazes me is that there are more comments on this thread based on unsubstantiated rumour than there are on Moussa's thread who HAS signed.

    Bring on the donuts! :-0

  • bobmunro said:

    What amazes me is that there are more comments on this thread based on unsubstantiated rumour than there are on Moussa's thread who HAS signed.

    Yeah but it's much harder to turn Moussa's signing anti-RD.
  • thenewbie said:

    Yeah but it's much harder to turn Moussa's signing anti-RD.
    So fair the only complaints I've seen are 1) He's still Belgian and 2) he's from a League 1 team!

    By the time log back in at work tomorrow, I bet there are some proper corkers!!

  • If we do sign him it can only be good news for Simon Church as it looks like the usual mob might have a a different player to slag off relentlessly.
  • thenewbie said:

    Yeah but it's much harder to turn Moussa's signing anti-RD.
    or, just a thought - more people are ok with that signing compared to thought of TBH signing for us.
  • MrOneLung said:

    or, just a thought - more people are ok with that signing compared to thought of TBH signing for us.
    Sure - but one is a done deal, the other is based on one comment by some no-name nobody on twitter with no particular credibility that I can see. Yet people are happy to say that IF Ben Haim does sign it is a sign we're being used as a feeder club/reserve squad. The actual signing who discredits that theory... they ignore. Just a thought.
  • il ava couple of doughnuts down the valley.

    bring on the cheese.
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