Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
Sorry mate, you're not allowed to have opinions on Charlton Life. Whatever you do don't have a negative thought on a youth product.
This is what I just don’t get about the internet.
He has an opinion, other people had other opinions - literally as ever with the transfer thread most of it is just peoples opinions.
But then people get annoyed and say you can’t have opinion because there opinion is different to your opinion.
That’s a matter of opinion though, just my personal judgment of it anyways!
Wouldn’t Nathan Jones be always looking to strengthen the squad, and if he believes he can bring in someone better, he’ll do it—there’s no room for sentiment in competitive football. It doesn’t mean the current players are bad, but his ruthless ambition to improve quality, depth, and tactical fit surely drives progress, even if it unsettles some fans or players.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
I agree- Doc is not good enough.
Personally I have always thought he isnt good enough.
Think maybe Conor Washington could do a job for 3/4s of the pitch, then collapse in a heap. Jonathan Leko could then go past maybe one or two, take it to the goal-line. Then maybe re-sign Omar Bogle to run that ball towards goal and fall over his own ankles. Then all we need is someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Maybe Lyle Taylor and Tomer Hemed could talk fiscal and foreign policy with the goalkeeper and keep him distracted, and then Jayden Stockley or Ronnie Schwartz could punt it vaguely towards goal and hope for the best? Just my honest opinions guys, no hate please! 👍👍
Think maybe Conor Washington could do a job for 3/4s of the pitch, then collapse in a heap. Jonathan Leko could then go past maybe one or two, take it to the goal-line. Then maybe re-sign Omar Bogle to run that ball towards goal and fall over his own ankles. Then all we need is someone to put the ball in the back of the net. Maybe Lyle Taylor and Tomer Hemed could talk fiscal and foreign policy with the goalkeeper and keep him distracted, and then Jayden Stockley or Ronnie Schwartz could punt it vaguely towards goal and hope for the best? Just my honest opinions guys, no hate please! 👍👍
I just don't get the Docherty bashing going on here. As Captain of the first team he has led us to promotion in his first season at the club. Nathan obviously respects him for his leadership qualities, otherwise he wouldn't have made him captain.Do fans actually think that we are going to sign attacking , dynamic midfield players that are going to storm the Championship league, or are we going to be organised and grity, and grind out results in a higher league? I know which way Jones will plan the forthcoming season, we will be hard to beat, we will press and close down opponents, we will try to be well organised. Docherty will be an important cog in this gameplan and I expect him to be an integral part of the team moving forwards into next season.
I just don't get the Docherty bashing going on here. As Captain of the first team he has led us to promotion in his first season at the club. Nathan obviously respects him for his leadership qualities, otherwise he wouldn't have made him captain.Do fans actually think that we are going to sign attacking , dynamic midfield players that are going to storm the Championship league, or are we going to be organised and grity, and grind out results in a higher league? I know which way Jones will plan the forthcoming season, we will be hard to beat, we will press and close down opponents, we will try to be well organised. Docherty will be an important cog in this gameplan and I expect him to be an integral part of the team moving forwards into next season.
I agree on the style of play, but there’s no way our starting 11 continues with the same 11 players we’ve mainly used in the last few months throughout next season.
Perhaps because we’ve won promotion, and unusually don’t have several players out of contract and haven’t relied on loans it’s not obvious where the gaps or weaker areas of the team are.
A case can be made for all of them, but I think we can be certain some will lose their places. Docherty’s likely to be in competition with a new signing or two, and also Anderson, who hopefully will keep improving.
I just don't get the Docherty bashing going on here. As Captain of the first team he has led us to promotion in his first season at the club. Nathan obviously respects him for his leadership qualities, otherwise he wouldn't have made him captain.Do fans actually think that we are going to sign attacking , dynamic midfield players that are going to storm the Championship league, or are we going to be organised and grity, and grind out results in a higher league? I know which way Jones will plan the forthcoming season, we will be hard to beat, we will press and close down opponents, we will try to be well organised. Docherty will be an important cog in this gameplan and I expect him to be an integral part of the team moving forwards into next season.
I don't see Docherty being bashed, just people thinking that we can do better in that position.
Teams that get promoted have to improve their team if they want to stay up. Oxford, Pompey and Derby all made lots of signings last summer, and many of the players in their promotion sides lost their starting places, that's sadly how football works.
I just don't get the Docherty bashing going on here. As Captain of the first team he has led us to promotion in his first season at the club. Nathan obviously respects him for his leadership qualities, otherwise he wouldn't have made him captain.Do fans actually think that we are going to sign attacking , dynamic midfield players that are going to storm the Championship league, or are we going to be organised and grity, and grind out results in a higher league? I know which way Jones will plan the forthcoming season, we will be hard to beat, we will press and close down opponents, we will try to be well organised. Docherty will be an important cog in this gameplan and I expect him to be an integral part of the team moving forwards into next season.
I don't necessarily disagree but it is about his individual performance. Would be interested to hear a case for Docherty that doesn't rely on the team's performance and mentions something other than pressing.
Think our recruitment is going to take much longer than last season. Player demands probably going to go through the roof now we’re in the championship and if we’re in for the same players as other championship clubs likelihood is we don’t get them. Think we’re going to go for a much more conservative strategy and look for good deals
Docherty had a poor first 1/2 of the season, and an ok second half. I don’t think it’s bashing him to say that many are imo rightly concerned about whether he can cut it in the championship. I would be very concerned if he started 30+ games for us next season.
Do we have any sense as to how FFP will impact our ambitions, whatever they may be? If (big if) the owners wanted to spend £20m - could they?
I might be wrong, but regulations are a lot tighter in Championship than L1, and it's a big reason why Birmingham spent big last summer, so they'd have the players ready for Championship without exceeding any limits in place while there.
Yep - I think equity injections count as turnover in league one, making the whole FPP thing basically irrelevant. But in the championship it’s actual turnover I think. Be interested to see our (Championship adjusted) expected turnover versus Millwall’s, say. I suspect it’s higher than theirs but perhaps still prohibitive.
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Wouldn’t Nathan Jones be always looking to strengthen the squad, and if he believes he can bring in someone better, he’ll do it—there’s no room for sentiment in competitive football. It doesn’t mean the current players are bad, but his ruthless ambition to improve quality, depth, and tactical fit surely drives progress, even if it unsettles some fans or players.
I know which way Jones will plan the forthcoming season, we will be hard to beat, we will press and close down opponents, we will try to be well organised. Docherty will be an important cog in this gameplan and I expect him to be an integral part of the team moving forwards into next season.
I'd be happy if he didnt start and I wouldn't be overly upset if I never saw him play again. Can di better, ditto but more so Berry.
Perhaps because we’ve won promotion, and unusually don’t have several players out of contract and haven’t relied on loans it’s not obvious where the gaps or weaker areas of the team are.
A case can be made for all of them, but I think we can be certain some will lose their places. Docherty’s likely to be in competition with a new signing or two, and also Anderson, who hopefully will keep improving.
Teams that get promoted have to improve their team if they want to stay up. Oxford, Pompey and Derby all made lots of signings last summer, and many of the players in their promotion sides lost their starting places, that's sadly how football works.
Let’s be real - this thread is an absolute disgrace.
Seems we are happy to discard 11 warriors who dragged us to glory at Wembley and etched their names into club history - and this is how we repay them?
Shut. It. Down. Admin.