I do think we will add in midfield but I also think Docherty has a role to play next season
He’s better without the ball than he is with it, a bit like Darren Pratley was and this could actually mean that he looks better in the league above where we will have less of the ball
Doc played 40 games for Hull in 21/22, a season in which they finished 19th in the Championship.
Doc played 35 games for Hull in 22/23, a season in which they finished 15th in the Championship.
He’s been there and done it.
I don’t know about anyone else but I’d take 19th and 15th over the next two seasons.
Interesting as you literally just posted that Preston aren't a club to aspire to, yet they've been a better/more successful club than Hull for a fair few seasons now, with a lower wage bill.
Hull also spent a shit load on wages like you also said you don't want to see us do to secure those league finishes.
Hull had just come up from League 1 and needed to steady the ship in the second tier. Exactly like we need to. Doc did that job for them.
If we can emulate their first two seasons, or Preston's first two seasons ten years ago, then that'll be a job well done.
Preston are going on nine seasons without breaking into the playoffs and are stagnating. That was the point I was making at the time.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
You’re still making things up though. How do you justify this nonsense statement ?
Ok so just to clear this up. I've said I don't believe he can cut it at the level above.
I've then spent time to find his stats, to back up those views, where clearly he isn't a consistent Championship player, and all his good seasons usually come in League1.
So he has failed to step up, and be a regular, impactful Championship and Scottish Premiership player, the stats show all this, which anyone has access to. Yet I am making this up?
This forum is genuinely fucking ridiculous sometimes. It's at a point where I think select people are just deliberately trying to piss me off.
I've shared a link to a player who I believe would upgrade us, why the need for so many quotes when it's as simple as I don't rate a player and that's it.
With all due respect that's my last post, massive waste of everybody's time this.
Doherty I think is in the unfortunate position where he doesn't do particularly spectacular things but you notice his absence more than his presence, a kind of glue that sticks all the other bits together. NJ wouldn't have made him captain for no reason.
This. I was a massive critic of his in his first couple of months. But now I’m of the thinking that he is one of the players that we don’t have to worry about in the Championship. An “unsung hero” every team has one, and he is ours.
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
I'd be happy to keep Doherty in the squad, but would hope we could do better. He's been perfectly adequate this season in L1, without either being a colossus in the middle or someone contributing lots of goals and defence splitting passes.
Put it this way, if he was targeted by another club, how many of us would be devastated?
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
You’re still making things up though. How do you justify this nonsense statement ?
Ok so just to clear this up. I've said I don't believe he can cut it at the level above.
I've then spent time to find his stats, to back up those views, where clearly he isn't a consistent Championship player, and all his good seasons usually come in League1.
So he has failed to step up, and be a regular, impactful Championship and Scottish Premiership player, the stats show all this, which anyone has access to. Yet I am making this up?
This forum is genuinely fucking ridiculous sometimes. It's at a point where I think select people are just deliberately trying to piss me off.
I've shared a link to a player who I believe would upgrade us, why the need for so many quotes when it's as simple as I don't rate a player and that's it.
With all due respect that's my last post, massive waste of everybody's time this.
A good manager will always see if a player who has contributed greatly to a successful team could be replaced by a potentially better player who is available for transfer, the manager is then surely obliged to properly consider the latter as a replacement. This doesn't in any way denigrate the current player. Unlike fans, managers have no time for sentiment, nostalgia or sympathy or favouritism. Their jobs and futures depend on making right choices at the right time. Braziliance has said quite correctly that Jones has got to be ruthless with his 'cullings' and signings this close season. If (say) Leonard give us even a 1-5% better chance of success, despite Docherty's past endeavours, Leonard should be the choice. Just hypothesis and conjecture right now of course
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
You’re still making things up though. How do you justify this nonsense statement ?
Ok so just to clear this up. I've said I don't believe he can cut it at the level above.
I've then spent time to find his stats, to back up those views, where clearly he isn't a consistent Championship player, and all his good seasons usually come in League1.
So he has failed to step up, and be a regular, impactful Championship and Scottish Premiership player, the stats show all this, which anyone has access to. Yet I am making this up?
This forum is genuinely fucking ridiculous sometimes. It's at a point where I think select people are just deliberately trying to piss me off.
I've shared a link to a player who I believe would upgrade us, why the need for so many quotes when it's as simple as I don't rate a player and that's it.
With all due respect that's my last post, massive waste of everybody's time this.
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
So who do you see being replaced in the starting 11, presumably only TC and Small?
I’m confident we won’t see all of those four as regulars next season. Jones is aiming higher than 21st.
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
Jeez please don't call him Gilly.
I bet you were the one who called Kermorgant, Kermy weren't you.
I think Nathan’s opinion is the one that matters and if he thinks certain current players such as Docherty can still contribute I am happy with that. Lets just wait and see how we line up for the opening Championship fixture
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
So who do you see being replaced in the starting 11, presumably only TC and Small?
I’m confident we won’t see all of those four as regulars next season. Jones is aiming higher than 21st.
Mannion Gilly and Doc you will see play most games Berry will most likey play around 30 games like this season ..
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
Jeez please don't call him Gilly.
I bet you were the one who called Kermorgant, Kermy weren't you.
He can’t spell Gillesphey though. Cut him some slack.
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
So who do you see being replaced in the starting 11, presumably only TC and Small?
I’m confident we won’t see all of those four as regulars next season. Jones is aiming higher than 21st.
Mannion Gilly and Doc you will see play most games Berry will most likey play around 30 games like this season ..
can’t see it Mannion was always brought in to be a No.2 in the first place yes he’s done well but he’s only played half the games and had hardly saves to make not his own fault of course. he’s not done enough personally to make Jones go he’s a no.2 L1 keeper to suddenly No.1 in the championship. Gillesphey been brilliant since Blackpool but you look across that back line and he’s no Ramsay or Jones and he wasn’t good enough for a poor Plymouth team. Docherty has been decent but shown at times he can go missing in games against top L1 midfields like Wrexham, Wycombe, Stockport etc imagine when he’s playing better quality than that week in week out. With berry’s age and injury problems doubt he’s going to have the legs for the championship. Doesn’t mean any of them are bad but if we want to survive we need to bringing in half a new starting XI. They make great squad players and good to have behind the scenes but we have to think with our heads rather than our hearts and not be too loyal to the XI that got promoted but what XI can keep us up in the championship
I think we can be certain NJ will want to improve the starting 11.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Gilly was POTY since January , Berry a championship player , Mannion is also good enough to be number 1 in the championship and Doc will be captain cause of his experience in championship
So who do you see being replaced in the starting 11, presumably only TC and Small?
I’m confident we won’t see all of those four as regulars next season. Jones is aiming higher than 21st.
Mannion Gilly and Doc you will see play most games Berry will most likey play around 30 games like this season ..
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
You’re still making things up though. How do you justify this nonsense statement ?
Ok so just to clear this up. I've said I don't believe he can cut it at the level above.
I've then spent time to find his stats, to back up those views, where clearly he isn't a consistent Championship player, and all his good seasons usually come in League1.
So he has failed to step up, and be a regular, impactful Championship and Scottish Premiership player, the stats show all this, which anyone has access to. Yet I am making this up?
This forum is genuinely fucking ridiculous sometimes. It's at a point where I think select people are just deliberately trying to piss me off.
I've shared a link to a player who I believe would upgrade us, why the need for so many quotes when it's as simple as I don't rate a player and that's it.
With all due respect that's my last post, massive waste of everybody's time this.
Will you still do the blogging?
I think we will need an upgrade for the Championship.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
Sorry mate, you're not allowed to have opinions on Charlton Life. Whatever you do don't have a negative thought on a youth product.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
Sorry mate, you're not allowed to have opinions on Charlton Life. Whatever you do don't have a negative thought on a youth product.
This is what I just don’t get about the internet.
He has an opinion, other people had other opinions - literally as ever with the transfer thread most of it is just peoples opinions.
But then people get annoyed and say you can’t have opinion because there opinion is different to your opinion.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Very tidy player but going to be about 5 clubs interested in him. Rumoured to be on 10k a week at Birmingham so definitely not out of reach but if other clubs start offering big loan fees as well not sure we would be able to get him
That's the issue, although, it may help us that Birmingham probably don't see us a threat to their league position? They might prefer to send him to a team that won't be challenging top6 in their eyes.
Loan with an option to buy would be ideal. Reckon he would start for us.
Who’s place would you see him taking? Not saying he wouldn’t start for us.
For me Docherty, hypothetically.
Docherty is a league1 quality player imo. I am expecting us to upgrade on him.
I think Jones should be club captain and Docherty shouldn't be starting. Might sound harsh but it just worries me how little he played for Hull and he's never really done it at this level.
Sorry to any Doc fans but I'd like to see us sign two new mids to play with Cov.
Wow, three seasons in the Championship and over 90 league games but "he's never done it at this level"?
We should, if we can, upgrade on Doc but the same can be said for every player in the side. You could argue he dropped down a level for a reason but to pretend he never did it is just nonsense.
Shall I now make a list of all the Charlton players that were awful but played a number of championship games?
When I say he didn't do it, I mean he didn't thrive in this league. If he did, he would have been kept by Hull. He couldn't even stand out in League1 if we are being honest.
We need better to progress, harsh but true.
More nonsense. You've gone from "never done it" to "didn't thrive"
He was kept by Hull, for three seasons, and then like most players at one time or another he moved on to be the captain of a promotion winning team in league one but that isn't enough somehow.
We do need better players to progress but that is no reason to dismiss the contributions that Doc and many others have made.
I just don't get this whole either/or justification. Someone can like both Chinese and Indian food. You don't have to run down one to like the other.
We can praise a player AND want better replacements
We don't have to write off a player, and in this case our captain who did contribute greatly, just to justify bringing in someone better, younger, fitter, more suited.
Ok. I believe a player isn't good, you believe otherwise.
I believe he was a passenger in the championship, you believe he was championship quality.
Moving on.
And your evidence for him being a "passenger" is?
Again, why make stuff up just to justify replacing him.
I'm not making anything up, it's a fucking opinion. Jesus Christ. I don't think he's very good. I am basing this off of watching every game this season, and seeing him fail to control a game.
24/25: League 1, 40 apps, 4 goals 2 assists. 23/24: 15 Champ apps, bit part player 22/23: 1940 minutes of Champ football 21/22: 40 champ apps, 1 goal, 2842 mins, 71 mins average per game 20/21: Very good league 1 numbers, 5 goals, 5 assist, 44 appearances 19/20: Scottish prem, 6 apps, bit part player 18/19: League 1, 7 goals, 8 assists, good season
The common theme is, he does decent/good in league1, and struggles to make the step up. I saw plenty of Hull fans say it was the right move to let him go. Similar to how plenty of our fans will tell another club Chuks and Tennai will do a job.
I didn't watch him all those last 6 years, so I can only go from what I've read, and then watched with my own eyes, which is that he wasn't great in league1 for us, so I am doubtful he will make the step up, as he has previous history of failing.
Is this satisfactory and no longer making stuff up?
Sorry mate, you're not allowed to have opinions on Charlton Life. Whatever you do don't have a negative thought on a youth product.
This is what I just don’t get about the internet.
He has an opinion, other people had other opinions - literally as ever with the transfer thread most of it is just peoples opinions.
But then people get annoyed and say you can’t have opinion because there opinion is different to your opinion.
Comments
He’s better without the ball than he is with it, a bit like Darren Pratley was and this could actually mean that he looks better in the league above where we will have less of the ball
If we can emulate their first two seasons, or Preston's first two seasons ten years ago, then that'll be a job well done.
Preston are going on nine seasons without breaking into the playoffs and are stagnating. That was the point I was making at the time.
Two clubs at different points in their journeys.
I've then spent time to find his stats, to back up those views, where clearly he isn't a consistent Championship player, and all his good seasons usually come in League1.
So he has failed to step up, and be a regular, impactful Championship and Scottish Premiership player, the stats show all this, which anyone has access to. Yet I am making this up?
This forum is genuinely fucking ridiculous sometimes. It's at a point where I think select people are just deliberately trying to piss me off.
I've shared a link to a player who I believe would upgrade us, why the need for so many quotes when it's as simple as I don't rate a player and that's it.
With all due respect that's my last post, massive waste of everybody's time this.
I don’t see Ramsay and Jones losing their places, and Edwards and Coventry are also unlikely to.
We 100% need a couple of strikers and Leaburn to get fit to give TC and Godden proper competition. That’s then up to those 4-6 strikers to win and keep their what’s likely to be 2 places in the team.
I think Mannion, Gillesphey, Docherty and Berry are the obvious regular starters we’ll look to upgrade on. That’s not to dismiss their efforts in getting us promoted or write them off making a positive impact next season, it’s close to a 50+ game season when you add in at least 2 cup games, they’ll all play their part.
All this assumes none of the main starting 11 leave, but knowing NJ will be ruthless and some players will attract bids I wouldn’t rule out 1 or 2 moving on.
Put it this way, if he was targeted by another club, how many of us would be devastated?
This doesn't in any way denigrate the current player. Unlike fans, managers have no time for sentiment, nostalgia or sympathy or favouritism. Their jobs and futures depend on making right choices at the right time.
Braziliance has said quite correctly that Jones has got to be ruthless with his 'cullings' and signings this close season.
If (say) Leonard give us even a 1-5% better chance of success, despite Docherty's past endeavours, Leonard should be the choice.
Just hypothesis and conjecture right now of course
I’m confident we won’t see all of those four as regulars next season. Jones is aiming higher than 21st.
I have no idea how big he was.
I bet you were the one who called Kermorgant, Kermy weren't you.
Lets just wait and see how we line up for the opening Championship fixture
MOUSSA SYLLA
https://www.bundesliga.com/en/2bundesliga/player/moussa-sylla#stats
He has an opinion, other people had other opinions - literally as ever with the transfer thread most of it is just peoples opinions.