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Tuchel’s first England squad
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I would look for goals if Kane isn't playing and that was the only use for such a game so as has been said, surprising Toney didn't get longer.2
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KBslittlesis said:Fucking hell……..I HATE VAR!
So does Bobby Madley.
And he's a Referee !
Howard Webb will surely make sure the once elite ref at 32 who is now 39 is relegated yet again where there is no VAR and one man and his dog tell him how crap he is; the man would say it with words, the dog would just bark!
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It was like watching us last Autumn. So slow and all the passing back to the keeper and faffing around the back line before lumping it forward. Dull and ineffective.0
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Henry Irving said:Bring back National Service, outside toilets and ricketts. We were good at football when we had them.
I can't agree ?
Michael Ricketts is now 46 and he got his one cap for England in 2002, and that was one cap too many.5 -
Toney should be nowhere near this squad playing in a glorified retirement league.MuttleyCAFC said:I would look for goals if Kane isn't playing and that was the only use for such a game so as has been said, surprising Toney didn't get longer.3 -
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Toney should be nowhere near this squad playing in a glorified retirement league.MuttleyCAFC said:I would look for goals if Kane isn't playing and that was the only use for such a game so as has been said, surprising Toney didn't get longer.
As he only came on in the 88th minute in a friendly, what was the point of selecting him from his highly paid Maverick Saudi League which is not a competitive enough standard to be compatible with the World Cup for a team wanting to reach the last 4 at least.1 -
you could see at the end of the game the way they were celebrating what it meant to them - first African side to beat England etc.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
This is true but to other nations we are seen as a big scalp and players are usually keen to impress. Senegal rested most of their main guys v Ireland the other day but went full strength v us.cafctom said:The end of season timing of this game didn’t seem to negatively impact Senegal.
for us (rightly or wrongly) I suspect all ours wanted to be on a beach somewhere2 -
Exactly. They all need a holiday.0
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I think Harry redknapp might be a useful assistant in the England set up if they want to take him on.
He's emotionally intelligent and can still be an arm around the shoulder for some of the players. He's way past his peak but it wouldn't hurt having him present.
Can be at the training ground when the squad get together and in the dressing room/dugout during games.
He's a character and has experience.6 -
Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest3
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Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.3 -
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Nope - I just think we should split the teams into at least 2 different tournaments - if you do well in the ‘B’ tournament, u get to play in the ‘A’ tournament next time round - most international games bore me and most people I know rigid as only when we get to the latter stages of a tournament are there any proper matches - they’ve now invented this nations league no sense instead of addressing the real problem - the shit teams should be in a shit tournament until they are good enough - instead, it’s all about money rather than sport so u have it arse upwards I’m afraidcafctom said:
Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.4 -
The big teams don’t get to play the minnows in the fa cup until they’ve been through about 5 rounds to prove themselves - we go straight into a qualifier with san Marino or Andorra - absolute nonsense2
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Europe is a huge continent and our qualifying for tournaments should work like they have in Asia. They have a first round of qualifying for the 20 lowest ranked teams who go into a draw for 10 two-legged ties. This then gets rid of 10 of the worst teams, and the other 10 proceed into the main draw with the big nations.cafctom said:
Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.
I don't see why we can't do that in Europe, because there is no point in the likes of San Marino, Gibraltar, Andorra, Liechtenstein and Malta automatically being in the main draw. The argument that these teams won't improve unless they play the bigger nations is nonsense, because most of these teams have been around for years and won't get any better because their pool of players to pick from is tiny. Malta for example have been playing WC qualifiers for over 50 years and just lost 8-0 to Holland.
We currently have 54 teams across 12 qualifying groups, but some groups have only 4 teams of which 1 team is a no hoper, meaning you've got teams like Germany and Spain who will qualify for a WC by only playing 6 matches of which 2 are a walkover, which is pretty ridiculous.
Get rid of the 12 worst teams in a first round draw, to leave 42 teams, then have 7 groups of 6 teams.
Top 2 qualify and the best 4 third placed teams go into a play off for the other 2 remaining spots.2 -
I have a theory on England. And don’t think it’s all down to ability. And why I think Tuchel will be another dud.Footballers are a lot like school kids when it comes to international duty & international managers.They may have recognised Southgate isn’t a tactical genius, but he is a good bloke. So like the nice teacher you actually like & respect, you want to do well & try for him. And at least not be a dick.If you get a dick teacher or international manager, the students / players don’t respond.Look back at the managers… Hodgson (old duffer type teacher - get duff results). Capello (ott disciplinarian style teacher - disaffected players who thought he was a cock). McClaren (wally cover teacher - no respect from squad). Sven (likeable, laid back teacher type - they did try, but lacked intensity). Keegan (over emotional type teacher - results all over the shop). Hoddle (too good in his subject to just be a teacher - great tactics & insight, but poor interpersonal skills that divided squad, as thought they’d never be as smart as him). Venables (respected, smart teacher type, with great interpersonal skills - got the best out of every player). Taylor (nice teacher, but too inclined to be stuck in his ways type - didn’t get best of players, fell out with more creative types). Robson (old school style teacher who commanded respect, as well a lot of love - players wanted to do well for him & benefitted from his experience).4
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Think you’re the one who has got it all a bit confused. The Nations League was designed to give smaller countries a chance to play competitive games against each other (and same for the bigger countries). It was introduced to replace “pointless friendlies”, so there was sense to it.DOUCHER said:
Nope - I just think we should split the teams into at least 2 different tournaments - if you do well in the ‘B’ tournament, u get to play in the ‘A’ tournament next time round - most international games bore me and most people I know rigid as only when we get to the latter stages of a tournament are there any proper matches - they’ve now invented this nations league no sense instead of addressing the real problem - the shit teams should be in a shit tournament until they are good enough - instead, it’s all about money rather than sport so u have it arse upwards I’m afraidcafctom said:
Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.And if it was “all about money” as you put it, then surely having that sort of format in the qualifiers would generate more interest from people who declare themselves bored like yourself?3 -
If we appoint him now does next year count as his second season?JohnBoyUK said:Ange In
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Twice as many teams now play in the qualification stages of the World Cup compared to 1970 - I doubt many of them stand any chance of getting to the finals - they’re just there to lose, pick up some money and bore everyone to death - I rest my case0
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The last thing the players needed was another tournament - sort the existing ones out is the answercafctom said:
Think you’re the one who has got it all a bit confused. The Nations League was designed to give smaller countries a chance to play competitive games against each other (and same for the bigger countries). It was introduced to replace “pointless friendlies”, so there was sense to it.DOUCHER said:
Nope - I just think we should split the teams into at least 2 different tournaments - if you do well in the ‘B’ tournament, u get to play in the ‘A’ tournament next time round - most international games bore me and most people I know rigid as only when we get to the latter stages of a tournament are there any proper matches - they’ve now invented this nations league no sense instead of addressing the real problem - the shit teams should be in a shit tournament until they are good enough - instead, it’s all about money rather than sport so u have it arse upwards I’m afraidcafctom said:
Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.And if it was “all about money” as you put it, then surely having that sort of format in the qualifiers would generate more interest from people who declare themselves bored like yourself?0 -
DOUCHER said:
The last thing the players needed was another tournament - sort the existing ones out is the answercafctom said:
Think you’re the one who has got it all a bit confused. The Nations League was designed to give smaller countries a chance to play competitive games against each other (and same for the bigger countries). It was introduced to replace “pointless friendlies”, so there was sense to it.DOUCHER said:
Nope - I just think we should split the teams into at least 2 different tournaments - if you do well in the ‘B’ tournament, u get to play in the ‘A’ tournament next time round - most international games bore me and most people I know rigid as only when we get to the latter stages of a tournament are there any proper matches - they’ve now invented this nations league no sense instead of addressing the real problem - the shit teams should be in a shit tournament until they are good enough - instead, it’s all about money rather than sport so u have it arse upwards I’m afraidcafctom said:
Senegal are not a minnow - they are ranked in the Top 20 in the world.DOUCHER said:Shouldn’t be playing football in June, glad I didnt watch it and couldn’t give a shit that we lost - international football needs a big sort out - we shouldn’t be playing minnows - I get they need money but sport is sport and if 90% of the games are mismatches, what’s the point ? It’s a bore fest
But assuming you are referring to countries like Andorra. Well, if its boring to you then I guess we should also bin off equal opportunity tournaments like the FA Cup as well? Or just introduce the Super League idea back into the game. More big teams playing each other and less boring, right?
One thing that keeps international football feeling more organic than the rest of the game is the fact that it cannot be bought and manipulated in the same way as the club game. Every country is given equal chance - which is a good thing, whether you personally find that interesting or not.And if it was “all about money” as you put it, then surely having that sort of format in the qualifiers would generate more interest from people who declare themselves bored like yourself?
Again - the Nations League did not introduce extra games into the calendar. It replaced friendlies that had no purpose beyond just being exhibition games. And it gave countries the chance to play at their level more regularly.
If you want to point the finger at the way football is scheduled then take a look at the Club World Cup, end of season tours and the fact that FA Cup replays have been scrapped to accomodate the big clubs. The Nations League however has been a positive contribution and actually provides a solution for a lot of the criticism that was being thrown at international football beforehand.8 -
Dave2l said:I think Harry redknapp might be a useful assistant in the England set up if they want to take him on.
He's emotionally intelligent and can still be an arm around the shoulder for some of the players. He's way past his peak but it wouldn't hurt having him present.
Can be at the training ground when the squad get together and in the dressing room/dugout during games.
He's a character and has experience.
I knew that would get a "you're talking bollocks dave" lol'd reaction while I was writing it.
However, Redknapp was very good at man management in his prime. If he's still got the energy and he's bored of Sandra's bacon sarnis while watching strictly, then I don't see why he can't have an input.
He has helped to get the best out of players and keep them motivated. Plus, hes English and his presence will be good in this situation. I actually think he will be better at it now that he's older.
"Alright Jude, I used to manage Birmingham your old home town. Its a dumpsite.
Stop being a bellend, and just focus on the football, there's a good lad".
They have a little laugh.
Next game, Jude scores a 35 yard volley against France in an international friendly and points to Arry while he's in sitting in the dugout.1 -
Dave2l said:Dave2l said:I think Harry redknapp might be a useful assistant in the England set up if they want to take him on.
He's emotionally intelligent and can still be an arm around the shoulder for some of the players. He's way past his peak but it wouldn't hurt having him present.
Can be at the training ground when the squad get together and in the dressing room/dugout during games.
He's a character and has experience.
I knew that would get a "you're talking bollocks dave" lol'd reaction while I was writing it.
However, Redknapp was very good at man management in his prime. If he's still got the energy and he's bored of Sandra's bacon sarnis while watching strictly, then I don't see why he can't have an input.
He has helped to get the best out of players and keep them motivated. Plus, hes English and his presence will be good in this situation. I actually think he will be better at it now that he's older.
"Alright Jude, I used to manage Birmingham your old home town. Its a dumpsite.
Stop being a bellend, and just focus on the football, there's a good lad".
They have a little laugh.
Next game, Jude scores a 35 yard volley against France in an international friendly and points to Arry while he's in sitting in the dugout.
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Why not! Let’s get Glenn Hoddle in as well while we’re at it.Dave2l said:Dave2l said:I think Harry redknapp might be a useful assistant in the England set up if they want to take him on.
He's emotionally intelligent and can still be an arm around the shoulder for some of the players. He's way past his peak but it wouldn't hurt having him present.
Can be at the training ground when the squad get together and in the dressing room/dugout during games.
He's a character and has experience.
I knew that would get a "you're talking bollocks dave" lol'd reaction while I was writing it.
However, Redknapp was very good at man management in his prime. If he's still got the energy and he's bored of Sandra's bacon sarnis while watching strictly, then I don't see why he can't have an input.
He has helped to get the best out of players and keep them motivated. Plus, hes English and his presence will be good in this situation. I actually think he will be better at it now that he's older.
"Alright Jude, I used to manage Birmingham your old home town. Its a dumpsite.
Stop being a bellend, and just focus on the football, there's a good lad".
They have a little laugh.
Next game, Jude scores a 35 yard volley against France in an international friendly and points to Arry while he's in sitting in the dugout.0 -
Squad for Wales and Latvia games
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Crystal Palace), Jordan Pickford (Everton), James Trafford (Manchester City)
Defenders: Dan Burn (Newcastle United), Marc Guehi (Crystal Palace), Reece James (Chelsea), Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa), Myles Lewis-Skelly (Arsenal), Jarell Quansah (Bayer Leverkusen), Djed Spence (Tottenham Hotspur), John Stones (Manchester City)
Midfielders: Elliot Anderson (Nottingham Forest), Morgan Gibbs-White (Nottingham Forest), Jordan Henderson (Brentford), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (AC Milan), Declan Rice (Arsenal), Morgan Rogers (Aston Villa)
Forwards: Jarrod Bowen (West Ham United), Eberechi Eze (Arsenal), Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United), Harry Kane (Bayern Munich), Marcus Rashford (Barcelona, loan from Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)
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No Bellingham? But Henderson instead.
Righto.0 -
Presume the Bellingham thing is down to fitness, he's played 100 minutes of football this season and we won't need him to beat Latvia so best to let him continue to build up fitness with RMDamoNorthStand said:No Bellingham? But Henderson instead.
Righto.0 -
I would certainly have brought in Grealish. Bellingham I understand due to recent injury.1
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Foden has been decent for City as well1
