Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Also if you want a reference
Very true. I've had 5 members of my family run marathons including London but they didn't give up their jobs to train 🏃🏻♂️🏃🏻♀️ There's some power struggle going on and who will come out on top as there are vacancies for prominent positions at CAFC. May the best men or women win. Who's left to do the interviews?
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Also if you want a reference
Fair point, and by all means thank the people you worked with (which he has done), but i just don't think i'd be adding #ThankYouCharlton if they'd fired me.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Also if you want a reference
Fair point, and by all means thank the people you worked with (which he has done), but i just don't think i'd be adding #ThankYouCharlton if they'd fired me.
Fair point, and it’s worth remembering people also leave jobs at short notice for personal reasons they might not want to share too.
I guess nothing would be made of this at all were it not for it being off the back of a number of other non-football management departures.
"Andy Scott and Charlie Methven have to leave NOW!"
"No CEO and no Director of Recruitment doesn't smack of a stable organisation!"
Give me a hint? What DO you actually want?
You are speaking as if the forum is a single consciousness, and conflating two opposing arguments that have been made about the SMT.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the people running the club recently. It's been 18 - 24 months (depending on if you count the six months under Sandgaard) of toss and four decent months. Those four months are because Jones has taken us on an unbelievable run, that I doubt few predicted.
Even before the recent uptick in form, the things that people pointed to, like the pitch and fan zone can be attributed to other factors. The only reason we got the grant for the pitch was because of the women's team. People that go to away games or other grounds have been suggesting a fan zone for a while, it was hardly innovative. Now, the stability behind the scenes they pointed to has evaporated.
On balance, the club is probably in a better position than it has been in years, but then, you are comparing it to the 10 years of delusional, crooked and back to delusional that came before.
With a team that is genuinely challenging, a proper manager, a Charlton fan at the wheel in Gavin Carter and owners providing financial stability, it is the most hopefully I have felt in years. I see the clearing out of recent middle management as part of that.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Also if you want a reference
Fair point, and by all means thank the people you worked with (which he has done), but i just don't think i'd be adding #ThankYouCharlton if they'd fired me.
I’ve got a feeling you don’t spend much time on LinkedIn 😉
The interesting thing about our three primary owners is there is a gap in wealth between them. Friedman has the wealth to subsidize losses in the championship. Brener is wealthy enough to have some stake but probably not a significant stake. Also if you listen to Houston Dynamo fans, he was a very involved owner until he was ready to sell at which point he pretty much abandoned the club financially. Rosefeld may be rich by normal standards but not by football club owner standards. We don’t know their relative ownership percentages but it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point that Brener and Rosenfeld are bought out by another investor.
The interesting thing about our three primary owners is there is a gap in wealth between them. Friedman has the wealth to subsidize losses in the championship. Brener is wealthy enough to have some stake but probably not a significant stake. Also if you listen to Houston Dynamo fans, he was a very involved owner until he was ready to sell at which point he pretty much abandoned the club financially. Rosefeld may be rich by normal standards but not by football club owner standards. We don’t know their relative ownership percentages but it wouldn’t surprise me if at some point that Brener and Rosenfeld are bought out by another investor.
This is a very interesting point. I remember a few Houston Dynamo fans saying that Brener was okay at first but wasn't really interested in investing at the levels needed to progress in MLS and eventually sold up to another investor. I think you could be onto something with the idea of Friedman being joined by another larger investor replacing Brener and Rosenfeld + a few of the smaller investors.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
Looks good on your next job application if you say nice things about your last employer.
Also if you want a reference
Fair point, and by all means thank the people you worked with (which he has done), but i just don't think i'd be adding #ThankYouCharlton if they'd fired me.
I’ve got a feeling you don’t spend much time on LinkedIn 😉
You would be absolutely correct sir. On the very rare occasions i look on there, it now seems more like Facebook than a site to look for a job.
"Andy Scott and Charlie Methven have to leave NOW!"
"No CEO and no Director of Recruitment doesn't smack of a stable organisation!"
Give me a hint? What DO you actually want?
You are speaking as if the forum is a single consciousness, and conflating two opposing arguments that have been made about the SMT.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the people running the club recently. It's been 18 - 24 months (depending on if you count the six months under Sandgaard) of toss and four decent months. Those four months are because Jones has taken us on an unbelievable run, that I doubt few predicted.
Even before the recent uptick in form, the things that people pointed to, like the pitch and fan zone can be attributed to other factors. The only reason we got the grant for the pitch was because of the women's team. People that go to away games or other grounds have been suggesting a fan zone for a while, it was hardly innovative. Now, the stability behind the scenes they pointed to has evaporated.
On balance, the club is probably in a better position than it has been in years, but then, you are comparing it to the 10 years of delusional, crooked and back to delusional that came before.
With a team that is genuinely challenging, a proper manager, a Charlton fan at the wheel in Gavin Carter and owners providing financial stability, it is the most hopefully I have felt in years. I see the clearing out of recent middle management as part of that.
I agree. The obvious flaw in the set-up has been that we have had a board of directors comprised almost entirely of employees who themselves made up the senior management team and had mostly arrived as a unit (Carter being the significant exception). That was never going to work. They weren’t going to scrutinise themselves in the way that was needed, but inevitably they fell out and started blaming each other for the outcomes.
In fairness the club has not had a functioning board of directors since 2010 and for much of that period it had no coherent or competent non-football management structure at all, certainly since 2014. The current ownership therefore started from a very low base.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
It’s clear he doesn’t have a job to go to and leaves with immediate effect, sounds like a push.
Surely an individual can’t decide to go with ‘immediate’ effect unless the employer (even if as a consultant) wishes that to be the case too.
Any contract would have some notice period even if small.
Doesn't sound like he was pushed though, his message is quite complimentary towards Charlton and the people he's worked with and it even has #ThankYouCharlton at the end.
Perhaps it's just me that would be bitter about it, but surely you wouldn't be putting that if you were laid off?
It’s clear he doesn’t have a job to go to and leaves with immediate effect, sounds like a push.
It does to me as well. It would be most unusual to quit your job to train for the marathon.
"Andy Scott and Charlie Methven have to leave NOW!"
"No CEO and no Director of Recruitment doesn't smack of a stable organisation!"
Give me a hint? What DO you actually want?
I’m personally delighted Scott and Methven have gone. They were holding us back. The owners seem to be pretty smart, getting involved in the recruitment of NJ and sacking the underperforming SMT, long may it continue.
"Andy Scott and Charlie Methven have to leave NOW!"
"No CEO and no Director of Recruitment doesn't smack of a stable organisation!"
Give me a hint? What DO you actually want?
You are speaking as if the forum is a single consciousness, and conflating two opposing arguments that have been made about the SMT.
Personally, I've never been a fan of the people running the club recently. It's been 18 - 24 months (depending on if you count the six months under Sandgaard) of toss and four decent months. Those four months are because Jones has taken us on an unbelievable run, that I doubt few predicted.
Even before the recent uptick in form, the things that people pointed to, like the pitch and fan zone can be attributed to other factors. The only reason we got the grant for the pitch was because of the women's team. People that go to away games or other grounds have been suggesting a fan zone for a while, it was hardly innovative. Now, the stability behind the scenes they pointed to has evaporated.
On balance, the club is probably in a better position than it has been in years, but then, you are comparing it to the 10 years of delusional, crooked and back to delusional that came before.
With a team that is genuinely challenging, a proper manager, a Charlton fan at the wheel in Gavin Carter and owners providing financial stability, it is the most hopefully I have felt in years. I see the clearing out of recent middle management as part of that.
I agree. The obvious flaw in the set-up has been that we have had a board of directors comprised almost entirely of employees who themselves made up the senior management team and had mostly arrived as a unit (Carter being the significant exception). That was never going to work. They weren’t going to scrutinise themselves in the way that was needed, but inevitably they fell out and started blaming each other for the outcomes.
In fairness the club has not had a functioning board of directors since 2010 and for much of that period it had no coherent or competent non-football management structure at all, certainly since 2014. The current ownership therefore started from a very low base.
All true but on the face of it this appears to be changing slowly. Carter's role being beefed up seems to have started the ball rolling and since then at least two of said Senior management team have jumped or been pushed so someone with the will and the power seems to be enforcing some changes.
Whether that will be for the best, who comes in and what exactly that will mean is still not clear but I can only see it as positive that someone is actively involved in making changes, hopefully for the better.
They came in, eventually found a manager who can 'add value' , i.e invest in him and the team and we should only go in one direction - get rid of those that weren't adding any value and bring in some who will - let's hope the wallets start opening up now and we're clearing the decks in preparation for that - fingers crossed.
They came in, eventually found a manager who can 'add value' , i.e invest in him and the team and we should only go in one direction - get rid of those that weren't adding any value and bring in some who will - let's hope the wallets start opening upnow and we're clearing the decks in preparation for that - fingers crossed.
They came in, eventually found a manager who can 'add value' , i.e invest in him and the team and we should only go in one direction - get rid of those that weren't adding any value and bring in some who will - let's hope the wallets start opening upnow and we're clearing the decks in preparation for that - fingers crossed.
If they'd stayed shut, we'd be out of business.
Yes but there’s ticking over and having a real go at it - it happens to other clubs, it must be our turn some time ?
No CEO, no Head of Commercial, no Club secretary & no Head of recruitment, good to see things seem pretty stable at the club.
This just proves to me that all most people care about is results on the pitch.
If we were 16th and without a CEO, head of commercial, club secretary or head of recruitment there would be about 50 pages of people having a meltdown. As it is, hardly anyone seems to be bothered.
No CEO, no Head of Commercial, no Club secretary & no Head of recruitment, good to see things seem pretty stable at the club.
This just proves to me that all most people care about is results on the pitch.
If we were 16th and without a CEO, head of commercial, club secretary or head of recruitment there would be about 50 pages of people having a meltdown. As it is, hardly anyone seems to be bothered.
I have read that the other way. I think we do care what is going on behind the scenes.
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"Andy Scott and Charlie Methven have to leave NOW!"
"No CEO and no Director of Recruitment doesn't smack of a stable organisation!"
Give me a hint? What DO you actually want?
Very true.
I've had 5 members of my family run marathons including London but they didn't give up their jobs to train 🏃🏻♂️🏃🏻♀️
There's some power struggle going on and who will come out on top as there are vacancies for prominent positions at CAFC.
May the best men or women win.
Who's left to do the interviews?
The main areas that are important right now are team performance and ticketing - both are doing fine.
This is a very interesting point. I remember a few Houston Dynamo fans saying that Brener was okay at first but wasn't really interested in investing at the levels needed to progress in MLS and eventually sold up to another investor. I think you could be onto something with the idea of Friedman being joined by another larger investor replacing Brener and Rosenfeld + a few of the smaller investors.
It's a forum with hundreds and more of posters that hold different opinions.
This forum is not one person.
It would be most unusual to quit your job to train for the marathon.
Whether that will be for the best, who comes in and what exactly that will mean is still not clear but I can only see it as positive that someone is actively involved in making changes, hopefully for the better.
If we were 16th and without a CEO, head of commercial, club secretary or head of recruitment there would be about 50 pages of people having a meltdown. As it is, hardly anyone seems to be bothered.