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Has anyone seen Andy Scott this season? - Gone (p2)

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  • matt88 said:
    The way he treated Dobbo was unforgivable. Allowed the best club captain we’d had in years to walk away for free because he didn’t rate him. Amateurish.
    I'm not here to defend Andy Scott but our midfield looks far better now than it ever did when Dobson was in the side.
    I think the Dobson/Coventry, who is better debate is misleading. The fact is, we should have had both at the club. Dobbo wanted to stay and wasn’t asking for too much in wages. Instead we signed Alan Campbell on loan. That worked out well.
    He wanted to stay so much he went and signed a ridiculous contract with another club.… there was no debate and has been proved Coventry a different level then Dobson.…. 


    Doh! Obviously you didn’t read my post. We should have kept both, as he wanted to stay but was pushed out. Now a first team regular battling for the top two. Stop defending Scott, even the club have given up on that!
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    Scott leaves and we lose

    Shows that players, nearly all of whom he signed, were loyal to him and distracted. Coventry prime example of that making the mistake for the goal.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,127
    wmcf123 said:
    Replace Rodwell now and appoint a proper , well respected Director of Football / whatever you want to call it - someone Jones has faith in - the Gallen to his Bowyer , if you will .  There must be some good people out there .  
    It’s a similar relationship to a GM an head coach in the NFL. Most new head coaches usually get to pick the GM they want to work with. It should be the same here. 
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,848
    wmcf123 said:
    Replace Rodwell now and appoint a proper , well respected Director of Football / whatever you want to call it - someone Jones has faith in - the Gallen to his Bowyer , if you will .  There must be some good people out there .  
    It’s a similar relationship to a GM an head coach in the NFL. Most new head coaches usually get to pick the GM they want to work with. It should be the same here. 

    What's the GM's role in NFL - genuine question because I have no idea.
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,380
    I’m interested by some of the comments suggesting there will be more to follow Scott. Who and why ? 
    Rodwell positions himself as someone who transforms football businesses. Hence he doesn’t stay around. In his pursuit of a new role he’s told people that he has completed this at Charlton.

    It is interesting that on the one hand fans were told that people don’t tend to have expertise on both the business side and football side, yet at the same time he moved from one to the other at Charlton.

    Despite his playing background, Rodwell’s experience is on the business side. The reasons he was shuffled across were about presentation and accountability, I believe.

    As for why there might be more change, the club is/will be a long way short of the claims made about the business, despite some benefits from actually having management. These will tell in the end.




    @Airman Brown could you please clarify / further explain what you meant by presentation and accountability? I can’t quite grasp the dynamic you’re describing 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    I’m interested by some of the comments suggesting there will be more to follow Scott. Who and why ? 
    Rodwell positions himself as someone who transforms football businesses. Hence he doesn’t stay around. In his pursuit of a new role he’s told people that he has completed this at Charlton.

    It is interesting that on the one hand fans were told that people don’t tend to have expertise on both the business side and football side, yet at the same time he moved from one to the other at Charlton.

    Despite his playing background, Rodwell’s experience is on the business side. The reasons he was shuffled across were about presentation and accountability, I believe.

    As for why there might be more change, the club is/will be a long way short of the claims made about the business, despite some benefits from actually having management. These will tell in the end.




    @Airman Brown could you please clarify / further explain what you meant by presentation and accountability? I can’t quite grasp the dynamic you’re describing 
    Methven had no accountability as long as he had no formal title. Rodwell was in the way of that.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    Scoham said:
    Anyone know if we're looking to replace him?
    Doing what?
    Who will negotiate contracts and transfer fees? Or was someone else already doing that?
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,235
    shirty5 said:
    A year too late but finally gone. Part of the problem why we had one of our worst seasons in the club’s history. 

    You'd not think so given his 'goodbye' to us.
    Yes that smells when you read that but we are know the things that went on during his tenure with us and the club won’t hammer him on their own official channels. Would be unprofessional 

    What’s the next move from the owners when the non executive charirman hands in his next report  or deal more from his last one 
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,624
    edited February 15
    Hope Phil Chappell comes in.
    As a striker  ?  He's got form.
    You do know he was a Defender. But that being said could you imagine a Gibson corner with a Chappell header.

    15 goals in 141 games though tbf.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    Scoham said:
    Scoham said:
    Anyone know if we're looking to replace him?
    Doing what?
    Who will negotiate contracts and transfer fees? Or was someone else already doing that?
    I think Rodwell could handle that, while he’s here? I mean, he’s a senior exec on the football side. Apparently.
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  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,891
    Scoham said:
    Scoham said:
    Anyone know if we're looking to replace him?
    Doing what?
    Who will negotiate contracts and transfer fees? Or was someone else already doing that?
    Not needed. We don’t sign anyone now. We ‘streamline’. 

    😉😆
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,380
    edited February 15
    I’m interested by some of the comments suggesting there will be more to follow Scott. Who and why ? 
    Rodwell positions himself as someone who transforms football businesses. Hence he doesn’t stay around. In his pursuit of a new role he’s told people that he has completed this at Charlton.

    It is interesting that on the one hand fans were told that people don’t tend to have expertise on both the business side and football side, yet at the same time he moved from one to the other at Charlton.

    Despite his playing background, Rodwell’s experience is on the business side. The reasons he was shuffled across were about presentation and accountability, I believe.

    As for why there might be more change, the club is/will be a long way short of the claims made about the business, despite some benefits from actually having management. These will tell in the end.




    @Airman Brown could you please clarify / further explain what you meant by presentation and accountability? I can’t quite grasp the dynamic you’re describing 
    Methven had no accountability as long as he had no formal title. Rodwell was in the way of that.
    Oh you mean whilst Rodwell was exec chair or whatever he was that obfuscated Methven’s output and contribution or lack of?  By shifting Rodwell there was more line of sight for the majority owners to Methven  (now Chief Exec).
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    LouisMend said:
    Sounds like there will be a replacement, but I’m guessing a bit of a restructure so not necessarily the same role.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,905
    I’m interested by some of the comments suggesting there will be more to follow Scott. Who and why ? 
    Rodwell positions himself as someone who transforms football businesses. Hence he doesn’t stay around. In his pursuit of a new role he’s told people that he has completed this at Charlton.

    It is interesting that on the one hand fans were told that people don’t tend to have expertise on both the business side and football side, yet at the same time he moved from one to the other at Charlton.

    Despite his playing background, Rodwell’s experience is on the business side. The reasons he was shuffled across were about presentation and accountability, I believe.

    As for why there might be more change, the club is/will be a long way short of the claims made about the business, despite some benefits from actually having management. These will tell in the end.




    Haven’t all the recent regimes claimed to have transformed/fixed the infrastructure and background stuff to varying degrees? 

    It’s all bluster as you allude to. 
    scott and rodwell transformed us from mid table to nearly getting relegated - then NJ came in and transformed us into play off contenders
  • TelMc32
    TelMc32 Posts: 9,056
    LouisMend said:
    Nathan absolutely glowing in his praise of all the work Scott has done there!!  😉
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,905
    Chunes said:
    If Curbs was made Director of Football, I'd be soaring through the clouds 
    it would be a brilliant move - i don't care all the chuff about how long he's been out of the game etc - the return of Curbs to a meaningful role at the club would generate a wave of positivity throughout the club and fans  
  • DOUCHER said:
    Chunes said:
    If Curbs was made Director of Football, I'd be soaring through the clouds 
    it would be a brilliant move - i don't care all the chuff about how long he's been out of the game etc - the return of Curbs to a meaningful role at the club would generate a wave of positivity throughout the club and fans  
    Not saying I wouldn’t love Curbs involved on some way - but positivity does not win you games sadly - ask Nigel Adkin’s.

     
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,077
    Not sure I'd want Curbs in the same way I didn't really want Jacko, Powell or Bowyer to come in as manager last season. I don't want any legacies being tainted. I also think it's valid to say he's been out the game too long. Could possibly see the benefit if someone like Pearce was the manager but want Jones need is a brilliant head scout and a director of football to handle negotiations and keep an eye on the academy. Two different roles, neither of which scream Curbs to me
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    TelMc32 said:
    LouisMend said:
    Nathan absolutely glowing in his praise of all the work Scott has done there!!  😉
    I also thought the maybe he could have been slightly more enthusiastic in his praise and thanks but we know that NJ isn't the type to use hyperbole. ;)
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    There is still, as far as a I know, a sporting director at the club in the person of Simon Lenagan.

    He was certainly announced as such some time ago.

    Maybe he'll be more in the limelight now or perhaps he'll leave as well.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,228
    Curbs as a board director in the way that Derek Ufton was, to offer occasional support and guidance from his vast experience and his network within football, yes.

    As a working director of football I just can't see it.  Not because he's not capable but he seems very comfortable in retirement so why take on an arduous full time roll now?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,380
    Curbs as a board director in the way that Derek Ufton was, to offer occasional support and guidance from his vast experience and his network within football, yes.

    As a working director of football I just can't see it.  Not because he's not capable but he seems very comfortable in retirement so why take on an arduous full time roll now?
    Gavin Carter mentioned at the recent online fan meeting he speaks with Curbs, so more of a question whether there’d be more benefit in something more official.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,905
    Hadn't noticed the phil chapple thread before - can't be a coincidence that scott leaves the week after chapple does a Q and A at Charlton - new head of recruitment incoming i'd say 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,638
    Hope Phil Chappell comes in.
    As a striker  ?  He's got form.
    You do know he was a Defender. But that being said could you imagine a Gibson corner with a Chappell header.

    15 goals in 141 games though tbf.
    I’m sure he played a couple of games upfront, when we had injuries, can anyone remember?
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,461


    Currently director of football at Danish club Nykøbing FC.

    If 'Technical' is really a thing I can't think of a better candidate.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,289
    There is probably a place for Curbs in an advisory role somewhere at the club. But he should definitely not be the one to replace Scott in that type of role 

    I would have serious doubts whether Curbs wants to commit to a full time employment at this stage of his life and what would be a very demanding job. To me he seems quite happy doing bits and pieces punditry work and enjoying holidays/family time. Plus I’m not sure how clued up he is on players we’d be looking at for this level 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,739
    edited February 16
    DOUCHER said:
    Chunes said:
    If Curbs was made Director of Football, I'd be soaring through the clouds 
    it would be a brilliant move - i don't care all the chuff about how long he's been out of the game etc - the return of Curbs to a meaningful role at the club would generate a wave of positivity throughout the club and fans  
    I doubt if Curbs wants a full-time job at 67 or that the SMT want someone with his insight and connections too close.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,905
    DOUCHER said:
    Chunes said:
    If Curbs was made Director of Football, I'd be soaring through the clouds 
    it would be a brilliant move - i don't care all the chuff about how long he's been out of the game etc - the return of Curbs to a meaningful role at the club would generate a wave of positivity throughout the club and fans  
    I doubt if Curbs wants a full-time job at 67 or that the SMT want someone like him too close.
    No but bring phil chapple in as head of recruitment / deal thrasher and let curbs oversee things - no specific role / duties - give him title of DOF and just let him float about sprinkling some magic  
  • CafcSCP
    CafcSCP Posts: 1,466
    NJ probably said more about his thoughts on Scott in what he didn’t say. Don’t think there’s any love lost there.
    Sparing in his praise and moved straight on to what the plan is.