Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
If we want promotion then we need to start building a squad that’s stronger after each window. Personally I think even with good recruitment and retention that’s probably three windows including this one. We have a nucleus of around five players that we should be building around. Losing two or three of these types of key players every window makes the squad building harder and longer. It’s frankly bollocks to think we can be smarter in recruiting players than other clubs. We really can’t. It’s going to take serious investment to recruit and retain and no small amount of luck also. I can see that someone like Miles is slightly different. We might be in a position to get perhaps north of three million for him and that money can really make a dent in squad building. It’s sensible footballing business for the club and Miles. The others are different because replacing them is going to cost unless we’re very lucky as much as the fee received and even then a gamble. I don’t see very much of the above in our strategy at present and unless there’s a change or phenomenal luck we’re going to be stuck in this poxy league for the foreseeable.
I posted similar thoughts yesterday on the "Playoffs? "thread.
Totally agree we have to build a squad around our key players even of it means pushing the boat out on extending their contracts.
At some point, the owners will be forced to speculate to accumulate so why not in this current window.
My feeling is that the owners are still relying on the SMT to get things right. Could it be that CM sold that it was easy to get success if you were smart. We know you can’t. It’s more complicated than that. It will only go on so long though before the owners realise they were sold something that was unachievable. What then. ? New SMT or new owners ?
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
I like a lot of your posts @callumcafc but this isn’t one of them. We’ve proven ourselves less than competent in the transfer market and even some of the better looking signings have not worked out. Lloyd has, apparently, some of the best stats in the division although I prefer to judge him on his value to the team and that seems very obvious given how we performed with and without him.
A replacement for someone who adds so much to the team needs to be more than adequate and any new signing is a huge risk and, as said, we have called tails way too many times when it fell on heads.
The same goes for Dobbo and May. One forced out by Scott and, having spoken briefly to him last season after Wycombe, the other seemingly left with little option but to go because of NJ’s view of him. Two players who’d found a home here and who dragged the rest of their teammates along with them. We rightly cut a lot of deadwood in the summer, but we also lost two players who should have been retained. Adequate replacements have, so far, been glaring by their absence.
I’m not totally pessimistic. Docherty is finally starting to play as I’d hoped/expected a decent Championship midfielder would. Josh has proved a good signing (as well as Ramsey and Small seems to be getting his mojo back too). But Gas, A Campbell, Potts, Hylton have been, politely, underwhelming and Berry & Godden have shown way too little.
Having talent available is easy to say, but having a player or players who just fit and obviously make the team better than the sum of their parts is just so much more difficult to replace.
I’ve been scrolling through this thread for about an 20 mins now and haven’t seen anything but the rumour of jones leaving. Is there still actually 0 rumours of us signing anyone?
I’ve been scrolling through this thread for about an 20 mins now and haven’t seen anything but the rumour of jones leaving. Is there still actually 0 rumours of us signing anyone?
I think the key will be departures. We want a smaller squad. There will be several out before ins imho.
If we want promotion then we need to start building a squad that’s stronger after each window. Personally I think even with good recruitment and retention that’s probably three windows including this one. We have a nucleus of around five players that we should be building around. Losing two or three of these types of key players every window makes the squad building harder and longer. It’s frankly bollocks to think we can be smarter in recruiting players than other clubs. We really can’t. It’s going to take serious investment to recruit and retain and no small amount of luck also. I can see that someone like Miles is slightly different. We might be in a position to get perhaps north of three million for him and that money can really make a dent in squad building. It’s sensible footballing business for the club and Miles. The others are different because replacing them is going to cost unless we’re very lucky as much as the fee received and even then a gamble. I don’t see very much of the above in our strategy at present and unless there’s a change or phenomenal luck we’re going to be stuck in this poxy league for the foreseeable.
I posted similar thoughts yesterday on the "Playoffs? "thread.
Totally agree we have to build a squad around our key players even of it means pushing the boat out on extending their contracts.
At some point, the owners will be forced to speculate to accumulate so why not in this current window.
My feeling is that the owners are still relying on the SMT to get things right. Could it be that CM sold that it was easy to get success if you were smart. We know you can’t. It’s more complicated than that. It will only go on so long though before the owners realise they were sold something that was unachievable. What then. ? New SMT or new owners ?
Good post! I believe it won’t be too long until we get some answers.
Just to add, with Jones in the last six months of his contract, any replacement we get in on the back of the fee we recieve will almost certainly be a downgrade. I'm actually a bit annoyed by Callum's post that adequate replacements are ten a penny. Why have we looked so awful for much of this season if the replacements are so easy to come by, and why did we sign Hylton, Gas, Berry etc if these adequate replacements were out there. Lets be realistic - it will be cheaper long term to offer Jones a decent contract than let him go and bring in a worse replacement who will cause our deefnce to become less reliable.
Putting it bluntly, we are crap at recruitment & disposals/sales as we proved last summer and many previous windows. We will probably sell TT, Jones. Leaburn and Kanu and then scramble around in the last few days of the window to pick up the leftovers.
Whoever thought that signing Ahadme, Hilton, A Campbell was a sensible decision?
NJ is only part of the problem as he must have approved all the ex Luton players that are clearly past their best.
We cannot get anywhere promotion with the current leadership and that alone will ensure that no decent players will want to come to us.
Needs a massive clear out and hopefully a better leadership team that will support better recruitment.
They may prove me wrong by doing it right this time!
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
Well said - we need to build as squad around our best players and not get rid.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Southampton and Walsall probably beg to differ...
If Southampton was an animal, they would have put them out of their misery by now...🤦♂️
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
I of course have no idea and am probably wrong but you give off all the vibes of a newish supporter. Those that have been held captive for a long time threw our rose tinted specs away long ago.
The most annoying thing is we seem to always get our contracts the wrong way round. Lyle Taylor and Lloyd Jones on 2 year contracts, Charlie Kirk and Chuks on 4-5 year contracts. Even Terry Taylor and McGrandles were signed for 3 years. I know a lot of these were different owners but we almost seem to never judge the contract lengths right and as a result we never have the good signings from two years ago at the same time as the good signings from this season, but the failed transfers are always still hanging about
I'd struggle to name all the signings under ESI 1 probably - Andre Green,Matt Smith (Man City), David Davis and Aidan McGeady???? Was Leko in there????
Think this summer has definitely had some good signings but it's tempered by the disappointments.
The only good thing about David Davis was his refusal to play gave us a chance of staying up. Found his level now in non league.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
I of course have no idea and am probably wrong but you give off all the vibes of a newish supporter. Those that have been held captive for a long time threw our rose tinted specs away long ago.
This assumption always annoys me. Being older doesn’t make your opinion anymore valid and being negative doesn’t make you any more correct. Some people are just more naturally optimistic than others and that’s ok!
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
I of course have no idea and am probably wrong but you give off all the vibes of a newish supporter. Those that have been held captive for a long time threw our rose tinted specs away long ago.
I always thought Fraeye was a decent manager and should have been given time.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
None of them.have been promoted out of this league. Ipswich may well.stay up in the Premier League this year.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
None of them.have been promoted out of this league. Ipswich may well.stay up in the Premier League this year.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
I'd struggle to name all the signings under ESI 1 probably - Andre Green,Matt Smith (Man City), David Davis and Aidan McGeady???? Was Leko in there????
Think this summer has definitely had some good signings but it's tempered by the disappointments.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
None of them.have been promoted out of this league. Ipswich may well.stay up in the Premier League this year.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
CBT and Docherty have.
My apologies. CBT don't count he played about 5 games for Derby. Doherty yes.
I stand by the fact that very very infrequently and more infrequently now, do League 1 sides get promoted without spending serous money.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
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It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
Is there still actually 0 rumours of us signing anyone?
Lets be realistic - it will be cheaper long term to offer Jones a decent contract than let him go and bring in a worse replacement who will cause our deefnce to become less reliable.
Whoever thought that signing Ahadme, Hilton, A Campbell was a sensible decision?
NJ is only part of the problem as he must have approved all the ex Luton players that are clearly past their best.
We cannot get anywhere promotion with the current leadership and that alone will ensure that no decent players will want to come to us.
Needs a massive clear out and hopefully a better leadership team that will support better recruitment.
They may prove me wrong by doing it right this time!
We are behaving like we are happy in L1
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
I always thought Fraeye was a decent manager and should have been given time.
I used to take your posts seriously.
But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude.
I'm simply being honest.
I have been of that opinion for a while.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
I stand by the fact that very very infrequently and more infrequently now, do League 1 sides get promoted without spending serous money.
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.