Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
Yes but as an intelligent man I’m surprised you only quote two of our recent best players but conveniently do not quote the tens of dross we signed over the same period.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Southampton and Walsall probably beg to differ...
If Southampton was an animal, they would have put them out of their misery by now...🤦♂️
No no, their position is an irrelevence. Any right thinking person will understand they can still “get into europe”.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
But you are incessant in backing the policy of getting rid of our best players and justify the nonsense by claiming that the league table is irrelevent after 22 games.
Plus we will replace all our best players without a problem, because players as good if not better are ten a penny.
If Ronnie Moore was saying this his lols would be well over 50.
I don’t even think that you believe what you are saying.
You’re doubling down because you’re wrong and can’t admit it after cheer leading the SMT for so long.
Like you I’m more positive than negative when it comes to Charlton, but I think I’m also somewhat realistic and can’t ignore facts and spin negatives as positives.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
None of them.have been promoted out of this league. Ipswich may well.stay up in the Premier League this year.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
Yes let’s go back to our January approach from last year of signing players that have been promoted from league 1 recently. I look forward to more signings like Ladapo, Gillesphey and REG
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
To me League One is non league. And we have been stuck here for what, five seasons. It’s a fecking disgrace.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Is this really about negativity, though? It seems more about accepting reality.
It’s not negative to say that losing a key player like Jones would be a bad scenario - it’s just acknowledging the obvious. That’s not pessimism, it’s sanity.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
Yes, get rid of all our decent players because adequate replacements are ten a penny. It's a great plan, but I just can't understand if it's so easy why we're mid table L1 and not flying high in The Championship at the very least?
I never said we should adopt a strategy of getting rid of our best players. By the same token, we should understand we are a third tier team with third tier players, many of whom were acquired on free transfers and have become cornerstone pieces.
You don’t have to splash the cash to build a good team at this level, which is the bottom line of the point I was attempting to put across.
Lloyd Jones = free transfer
George Dobson = free transfer
Corey Blackett-Taylor = free transfer
Greg Docherty = free transfer
None of them.have been promoted out of this league. Ipswich may well.stay up in the Premier League this year.
Speculate to accumulate and hire a damn good coach.
Yes let’s go back to our January approach from last year of signing players that have been promoted from league 1 recently. I look forward to more signings like Ladapo, Gillesphey and REG
Spend REAL.money not loans or small transfer fees. The only way to stop losing money is spend real money and get out of this league.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
Post like this just make no sense to me. I just don’t understand the negativity. Isn’t ’hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible’ just another, loaded way of saying ‘try and do a decent job so they can keep doing it’?
Sonny Bradley has signed for Wycombe. Still doesn’t rule out a move for Jones as Swansea are sniffing around their other centre back
Instead of us worrying about losing Jones we should be disappointed that Charlton have not signed Bradley as his partner. Every window we need to come out stronger but it would appear all we’re interested in is having a squad that’s adequate and hope it works out. This window should be about bringing in quality not being forced to replace it. We’re going nowhere fast.
We play a back 3. Jones plays in the middle of it, Bradley would also have to play in the middle of it. Not what we need for the first eleven
I know people lose their heads in January, but we’re going nowhere because we didn’t sign a 33 year old centre back (that has barely played for 6 months) on loan and it’s January the 7th could be a new record
If we’d signed him you’d get people saying oh another Luton reject and he’s not fit because he’s hardly played. But because we didn’t sign him we’re going nowhere
I don't think there was that feeling in the summer. In fact, I think most people were positive about the ex-Luton players. It is only because most of them have been disappointingly poor that you would get that response. Also, I think you are missing SHG point in what I thought was a reasoned post/opinion, it isn't specifically Bradley, more the fact we are mostly talking about losing our best players rather than looking to strengthen.
There has definitely been an exercise in expectation management for this window from within the club. Talk of a bloated squad and player happiness reads as budget to me. There has been nothing said about making a push for the play-offs or addressing the issues with the balance of the squad, just the size.
Actions speak louder than words and, by the end of January, we will understand the true ambitions of our SMT and owners. Maybe then it will be OK to "lose our heads".
That’s a massive assumption that we aren’t looking to strengthen based on fan sentiment rather than anything concrete.
The expectation management might be as much about keeping a lid on potential transfer fees paid as it is managing the fanbase.
I agree, let’s see wait until the end of January to see.
Like a pound for every time I’ve heard this. We’ve lost May, CBT, Dobson and now we’re talking about the real possibility of losing Jones and an outside possibility of losing Leaburn but don’t worry we’re intent on strengthening.
Who said the possibility of losing Jones was anything other than whispers that Wycombe have some interest? As well they, or any well run club, should. He’s a good player.
If you’re determined to see the negatives then you’ll find them. We lost CBT, Dobson and May and 6-12 months later we’re in a higher position in the table. If we come out of each window climbing the table then by definition we are building a stronger team.
Jones walks free in the summer. He’s as yet not signed anything we’ve put in front of him. Obviously he’s keeping his options open and why shouldn’t he. There have been bids for Jones and so far they’ve been rejected which is good but if our valuation is met he’ll be gone. If you genuinely believe it was good business to lose Dobson, May and CBT then I can’t begin to bother to argue the point.
As he should be if you’re running a football club sensibly. Every player has a price. If someone gives us enough money to get a decent replacement and build out other areas of the squad on top, we’ll have done good business.
If he leaves on a free after two years then we’ll be in exactly the same place we were when we signed him as a free agent two years prior.
I would like him to stay but these are third tier calibre players we’re talking about - adequate replacements are ten a penny and there is always talent available that can help us push on with or without Jones, Dobson, May. We just have to uncover it before other clubs do.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. I'm not saying we can't go out there and find a gem that is better than Lloyd Jones, but we most likely won't. Even if we do, they're not ten a penny - it will cost more than it would to retain Lloyd Jones.
How did we manage to get the actual, real Lloyd Jones on a free if so?
George Dobson’s last two transfers between clubs were also on free transfers. Sunderland to us to Wrexham.
We got Lloyd Jones in after trying Hector, Innis, Thomas, Lavelle, O'Connell ........ All ten a penny and none got us anywhere near promotion.
Are there players as good as or better than Lloyd Jones? Yes
Could they be signed by a League One club like us? Potentially
Would we face stiff competition to sign them? Probably, yes, just like we are facing stiff competition to retain Jones.
So, would they be cheaper than Jones? Maybe, but not certainly.
And would we be certain they would settle and perform well at Charlton? No, because no signing comes with a guarantee of success, no matter how good that player was for their last team.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Well if you're not posting what you really think and simply posting the most positive outlook then that explains a lot. If you had told us that beforehand we would have known that you didn't really believe what you were posting.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
I think Methven sold Charlton to the money as a club underachieving (true) and ripe for investment (also true). The problems begin when the positive spin that it would be relatively straightforward and without huge investment to get CAFC promoted starts to unravel, when ineptitude in player acquisitions and managerial appointments are nothing short of abysmal. The SMT can’t go cap in hand to the money, saying we need to spend more to achieve promotion. It would prove that the sales pitch was over egged. They’re bumbling along in the hope something turns up. Unless they get lucky and I don’t see it, then they’ll soon come under very close scrutiny and be gone.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
I think Methven sold Charlton to the money as a club underachieving (true) and ripe for investment (also true). The problems begin when the positive spin that it would be relatively straightforward and without huge investment to get CAFC promoted starts to unravel, when ineptitude in player acquisitions and managerial appointments are nothing short of abysmal. The SMT can’t go cap in hand to the money, saying we need to spend more to achieve promotion. It would prove that the sales pitch was over egged. They’re bumbling along in the hope something turns up. Unless they get lucky and I don’t see it, then they’ll soon come under very close scrutiny and be gone.
We do not get a play-off spot at minimum I'd like to think Charlie and chums will be out of the door come pre-season.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
I think Methven sold Charlton to the money as a club underachieving (true) and ripe for investment (also true). The problems begin when the positive spin that it would be relatively straightforward and without huge investment to get CAFC promoted starts to unravel, when ineptitude in player acquisitions and managerial appointments are nothing short of abysmal. The SMT can’t go cap in hand to the money, saying we need to spend more to achieve promotion. It would prove that the sales pitch was over egged. They’re bumbling along in the hope something turns up. Unless they get lucky and I don’t see it, then they’ll soon come under very close scrutiny and be gone.
We do not get a play-off spot at minimum I'd like to think Charlie and chums will be out of the door come pre-season.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Is this really about negativity, though? It seems more about accepting reality.
It’s not negative to say that losing a key player like Jones would be a bad scenario - it’s just acknowledging the obvious. That’s not pessimism, it’s sanity.
“Losing Jones would be bad” is not the same as “rather than making signings we’re worrying about losing our players, we’re going nowhere fast”.
The first would be reasonable, the second is full of negative sentiment making predictions about a transfer window that we’re not even 25% of the way through.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
I think Methven sold Charlton to the money as a club underachieving (true) and ripe for investment (also true). The problems begin when the positive spin that it would be relatively straightforward and without huge investment to get CAFC promoted starts to unravel, when ineptitude in player acquisitions and managerial appointments are nothing short of abysmal. The SMT can’t go cap in hand to the money, saying we need to spend more to achieve promotion. It would prove that the sales pitch was over egged. They’re bumbling along in the hope something turns up. Unless they get lucky and I don’t see it, then they’ll soon come under very close scrutiny and be gone.
I wonder if they are hanging on to play the joker, as in 'we have loads of young players to sell, and our academy is like a talent factory'.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Is this really about negativity, though? It seems more about accepting reality.
It’s not negative to say that losing a key player like Jones would be a bad scenario - it’s just acknowledging the obvious. That’s not pessimism, it’s sanity.
“Losing Jones would be bad” is not the same as “rather than making signings we’re worrying about losing our players, we’re going nowhere fast”.
The first would be reasonable, the second is full of negative sentiment making predictions about a transfer window that we’re not even 25% of the way through.
The same happened this time last year when Carlisle announced 3 or 4 new signings.
I remember pointing out we could still make several signings, which we did. It doesn’t always work out like that, but it’s too early to say this window can’t be a success.
We don’t need as many this year. What we should be prioritising in terms of incomings is adding a player or two with pace to compete with TC and Small, and an attacking midfielder who’s a clear first choice in Berry’s role.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Is this really about negativity, though? It seems more about accepting reality.
It’s not negative to say that losing a key player like Jones would be a bad scenario - it’s just acknowledging the obvious. That’s not pessimism, it’s sanity.
“Losing Jones would be bad” is not the same as “rather than making signings we’re worrying about losing our players, we’re going nowhere fast”.
The first would be reasonable, the second is full of negative sentiment making predictions about a transfer window that we’re not even 25% of the way through.
I don't disagree with you on that, but that seems to be a separate point to the one you were making? It's one thing to argue that we won't lose Jones, and another to say that, if we did, it would be fine because adequate replacements are ten a penny. But now I'm not sure if you actually believe that or not.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
I'm not sure if you're losing the plot or are starting to a be a WUM? I used to take your posts seriously. But I now think you're willing to "die on your hill" since insisting it was the right thing to do to get rid of Alfie May.
This has now extended to the league table is irrelevent in January and getting rid of your best players is the right policy, because replacements are ten a penny.
I think you're starting to challenge Ronnie Moore's posts.
Apologies, but that's what I honestly think and I'm not meaning to be provocative or rude. I'm simply being honest.
Just yesterday I said I would take May over Godden if it was a straight swap so I don’t think there’s any hill I’m willing to die on.
Perhaps I’ll post as if I’m taking a polar opposite view at times purely because I can’t believe how negative some posters are willing to be. You’d think we’d already sold Jones and Leaburn and been relegated to non-league.
If you met me in person I think you’d be surprised by how not rose-tinted I am about the team and club in general. I spend enough time being annoyed about losing to Crawley, I try to find some positives when I’m on an internet forum discussing us. Otherwise I’d probably try to disconnect from Charlton completely to save my mental health.
Is this really about negativity, though? It seems more about accepting reality.
It’s not negative to say that losing a key player like Jones would be a bad scenario - it’s just acknowledging the obvious. That’s not pessimism, it’s sanity.
“Losing Jones would be bad” is not the same as “rather than making signings we’re worrying about losing our players, we’re going nowhere fast”.
The first would be reasonable, the second is full of negative sentiment making predictions about a transfer window that we’re not even 25% of the way through.
I don't disagree with you on that, but that seems to be a separate point to the one you were making? It's one thing to argue that we won't lose Jones, and another to say that, if we did, it would be fine because adequate replacements are ten a penny. But now I'm not sure if you actually believe that or not.
There are plenty of good players (and even more duds, granted) available on free transfers every summer. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable position to maintain.
I also understand and take the point that finding the good players among the heap of bad ones is something we’ve not got a great track record for in recent years so my personal preference would be to keep Jones. As it was to keep May.
The reality is that if a really good offer came in from the Championship (let’s say seven figure fee, won’t happen but as an example no-brainer decision) then Jones would be out the door.
In spite of the track record, my preference is to be positive about our prospects of using that fee appropriately and finding the right replacement.
My thoughts are that if we’re going to assume the worst and that any money we receive will be spent poorly on bad players then we might as well all pack up, go home and support Man City.
People talking about gravy trains etc. you do realise we're losing money hand over fist, and will probably do so in the league above too right? There's no gravy train to ride
People talking about gravy trains etc. you do realise we're losing money hand over fist, and will probably do so in the league above too right? There's no gravy train to ride
Well there sort of is for Methven, Rodwell, Scott, Warwick etc in that they sold the owners a pup but can’t admit it as they’d lose the jobs they created for themselves. Until the owners realise this and get rid and appoint the right people they are laughing all the way to the bank.
overall we are not in a bad position on or off the field of play
@BaileyI would say that we are not in a good position at all.
Don't mind me asking why ? Elfsborg.
Our position in the league table, as for Mary, Mungo and Midge, I'm not going to go over what has already been mentioned with being concerned about operations.
Why the league position then, liking Charlie or the owners is probably a matter of belief in what their intentions are.
The oft used term of top 4/6 budget has clearly not worked for 18 months. The table does not lie.
The table does not lie once every team has played 46 games but it’s a largely irrelevant metric when used on it’s own after only 22 games.
Ha ha, sorry a few days late catching up. The league table is largely irrelevant after 22 games - brilliant.
No one gets promoted or relegated in January!
Has one single person claimed a team can get promoted or relegated in January?
Making things up won’t strengthen your viewpoint.
If the league table is largely irrelevent after 22 games (which everyone apart from you knows is nonsense), how do you compare Burton’s chances with Birmingham for promotion?
I assumed, in the context of a response to Elfsborg’s post, that people would know what I was driving towards.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Top 4 budget actually And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
Agree
Sadly, I think the SMT know exactly what they doing. Hang in on the gravy train for as long as possible, and not really that bothered if the achieve the result of promotion as it’s always someone else fault.
They will keep doing it until someone forces them out.
I think Methven sold Charlton to the money as a club underachieving (true) and ripe for investment (also true). The problems begin when the positive spin that it would be relatively straightforward and without huge investment to get CAFC promoted starts to unravel, when ineptitude in player acquisitions and managerial appointments are nothing short of abysmal. The SMT can’t go cap in hand to the money, saying we need to spend more to achieve promotion. It would prove that the sales pitch was over egged. They’re bumbling along in the hope something turns up. Unless they get lucky and I don’t see it, then they’ll soon come under very close scrutiny and be gone.
People talking about gravy trains etc. you do realise we're losing money hand over fist, and will probably do so in the league above too right? There's no gravy train to ride
You do realise those that talked about gravy trains specifically referred to the SMT whom are drawing a wage and not the owners who are putting in the money that is paying the losses...?
And one of those supposedly riding that train is a minority owner in himself. (Whether that's token shares or actual money is another matter)
The point is there's not much gravy to be had out of being part of the SMT at Charlton, it's a different world from when Southall was milking us dry for Range Rovers and apartments, but I think the recent history of that has clouded the judgement of many on here
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Any right thinking person will understand they can still “get into europe”.
Is our true position 2nd like it was at its highest this season? Or maybe 14th like it was at its lowest?
Until 46 games have been played we don’t know what the true position is, and trying to judge whether the “top six budget hasn’t worked for 18 months now” is not a conclusion that can be definitively drawn.
Plus we will replace all our best players without a problem, because players as good if not better are ten a penny.
If Ronnie Moore was saying this his lols would be well over 50.
I don’t even think that you believe what you are saying.
You’re doubling down because you’re wrong and can’t admit it after cheer leading the SMT for so long.
Like you I’m more positive than negative when it comes to Charlton, but I think I’m also somewhat realistic and can’t ignore facts and spin negatives as positives.
And we most certainly can think it and say it and talk about it.
Every transfer window you and I agree to disagree and SADLY .... REALLY sadly..... I've been right each and every window.
I keep saying I hope I'm proved wrong but this SMT will I believe, never prove me wrong.
They actually don't know what they are doing.
All ten a penny and none got us anywhere near promotion.
Could they be signed by a League One club like us? Potentially
Would we face stiff competition to sign them? Probably, yes, just like we are facing stiff competition to retain Jones.
So, would they be cheaper than Jones? Maybe, but not certainly.
And would we be certain they would settle and perform well at Charlton? No, because no signing comes with a guarantee of success, no matter how good that player was for their last team.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
If you had told us that beforehand we would have known that you didn't really believe what you were posting.
The first would be reasonable, the second is full of negative sentiment making predictions about a transfer window that we’re not even 25% of the way through.
I remember pointing out we could still make several signings, which we did. It doesn’t always work out like that, but it’s too early to say this window can’t be a success.
We don’t need as many this year. What we should be prioritising in terms of incomings is adding a player or two with pace to compete with TC and Small, and an attacking midfielder who’s a clear first choice in Berry’s role.
I also understand and take the point that finding the good players among the heap of bad ones is something we’ve not got a great track record for in recent years so my personal preference would be to keep Jones. As it was to keep May.
The reality is that if a really good offer came in from the Championship (let’s say seven figure fee, won’t happen but as an example no-brainer decision) then Jones would be out the door.
That's the spirit. 🙄
You do realise those that talked about gravy trains specifically referred to the SMT whom are drawing a wage and not the owners who are putting in the money that is paying the losses...?
The point is there's not much gravy to be had out of being part of the SMT at Charlton, it's a different world from when Southall was milking us dry for Range Rovers and apartments, but I think the recent history of that has clouded the judgement of many on here