I’ve fucking hated it always 1 season in my first 33 years of watching Charlton and currently sloshing about in this cesspit wanking ourselves off with 1-0 wins against Orient ffs 11 seasons in 16 in this shithouse 5 on the spin and counting dogshit
but by being in league one we get the added bonus of getting all excited about a win in a competition that has palace u21s in it ffs utter turd fest
Sat infront of the two gentlemen who were there to assess the performance of the referee and officials. We did have a quick chat about the players going down with injuries particularly those holding their heads. They recognised it happens, said their referees are not trained medics so are in a difficult position. They said to stop it happening it had to come from the clubs and the managers. Love some of the ideas above to try and deter it and 12 minutes injury time just shows how bad it was on Saturday.
Just pause the game when play stops - no injury time, just 90 minutes of football.
I’m not sure that solves it. The purpose of time wasting shenanigans seems to be more about breaking the momentum of the opposition rather than actually wasting time.
Exactly this. Blackpool would have happily be out there for 60 minutes of football per half if it was entirely played in 20 seconds chunks.
It's not just L1 but football as a whole. It's quite embarrassing watching a game with someone who isn't European/South American and seeing a well built six foot tall bloke rolling about on the floor after minimal impact. Despite how shite L1 is I'm thankful VAR isn't in this division.
Just pause the game when play stops - no injury time, just 90 minutes of football.
I’m not sure that solves it. The purpose of time wasting shenanigans seems to be more about breaking the momentum of the opposition rather than actually wasting time.
Exactly. The only way to stop it is by retrospective punishment.
It's not just L1 but football as a whole. It's quite embarrassing watching a game with someone who isn't European/South American and seeing a well built six foot tall bloke rolling about on the floor after minimal impact. Despite how shite L1 is I'm thankful VAR isn't in this division.
Indeed. Lyle Taylor used to do exactly that when playing for us when he needed to. The problem is that we cannot be selective about how much is acceptable or who does it.
As previously mentioned, it's not the time aspect, so much, it's the killing of any momentum, of the flow of the game. The only way to do that is to prevent all the interruptions. Treat players off the pitch, except for the most serious injuries, and go back to only two subs allowed. And no water/coaching breaks either.
Wrote this on a different thread before I saw this one. Perhaps more relevant here.
In view of all the abuses Blackpool used to disrupt the game last Saturday, new rules introduced immediately could put an early end to these time wasting practices and return the game to the spectacle we all want to see.
In the past, players were removed to the nearest touchline and treated off the field for their "injuries" to allow the game to continue. (Obvious serious injuries excluded). If re-introduced, perhaps we would see a stop to all the nonsense witnessed in the last game? As an additional feature, perhaps a 5 minute wait should be introduced from the moment the Trainers indicate their player is ready to re-enter the match to discourage the numbers of unnecessary stoppages.
Managers carded if the tactics are repeated and followed up with fines.
For 4-5 steps he acts like it's incredibly difficult to walk...
Ooo! Argh! Eee! Oww!
That difficult walk turns into a stiff jog for few steps, obviously still in immense pain
Just a few steps more and he's completely healed.
To be fair, I stupidly fell over a couple of days ago, landed heavily on my front, and had to sit down for a couple of minutes to recover, both my hip and the spot on your knee where you can catch it, and its f**king painful for some reason, hurt like buggery for a few mins, and was walking with a slight limp when I got back up.
But if you ignore it, the pain does go away after a few minutes of walking... its when the pain doesnt go away that you know that you've done serious damage.
If a player goes down injured, he should then leave the pitch for 3x the injury period. Rhodes went down after committing a bad foul for 2 minutes? Leave him on the sidelines for 6.
As soon as that happens to one of our players who is genuinely injured then you’d change your mind about that. The other team would be being rewarded for injuring our players. The only solution I can think of, and I mentioned it on the post match thread, is to have retrospective red cards if video evidence showed that a player was feigning a head injury, for example.
For other injuries the ref should play on for as long as possible, unless it’s clear that the player has genuinely been injured. If a player has cramp, or even a tweaked hamstring, there is no real need to stop the game to provide immediate treatment.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had a scout watching us against Rotherham last week and saw how effective Rotherham were by using the same tactic after Chuks equalised. One of our traditional strengths is attacking the covered end in the second half, and piling on the pressure towards the end of games. That just isn't allowed to happen anymore with the never ending breaks for fake injuries, water breaks, and endless subs.
Something needs to be done, because watching games is no longer enjoyable.
It used to be the case that if a player was injured near the touchline, that they get dragged off the pitch and treated there, whilst the game continues. Only very serious injuries, head injuries, breaks etc should be treated on the pitch, then stretchered off if necessary. As for water breaks, what's that all about, global warming?
No need to spoil a perfectly decent post with the last bit. No need to drag politics into every post.
I do have some sympathy for refs and players here. As mentioned above, sometimes something can hurt like mad and just needs a few mins walking on it or some numbing spray and it's totally fine. How is a ref supposed to distinguish between that and someone pretending to cramp up? And it isn't fair to punish a team when someone genuinely needs treatment. Interestingly there were a couple of stoppages towards the end of Saturday's game where our physio joined the Blackpool one and then all of a sudden the player didn't have a problem.
The thing that really winds me up is pretending to have head injuries. They are so serious and not taken seriously enough but never will when players use them cynically
I wouldn't be surprised if they had a scout watching us against Rotherham last week and saw how effective Rotherham were by using the same tactic after Chuks equalised. One of our traditional strengths is attacking the covered end in the second half, and piling on the pressure towards the end of games. That just isn't allowed to happen anymore with the never ending breaks for fake injuries, water breaks, and endless subs.
Something needs to be done, because watching games is no longer enjoyable.
It used to be the case that if a player was injured near the touchline, that they get dragged off the pitch and treated there, whilst the game continues. Only very serious injuries, head injuries, breaks etc should be treated on the pitch, then stretchered off if necessary. As for water breaks, what's that all about, global warming?
No need to spoil a perfectly decent post with the last bit. No need to drag politics into every post.
So what's the justification behind water breaks then ? What's changed so much, that extremely fit athletes cannot now run around for 45 minutes without requiring water, when they did so perfectly well for decades before.
I didn't even think about Politics, I'm just curious as to what's changed, and the only thing I can think of is that the Football Authorities must now believe that players are sweating far more than they have in previous years, due to the increase in temperatures.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had a scout watching us against Rotherham last week and saw how effective Rotherham were by using the same tactic after Chuks equalised. One of our traditional strengths is attacking the covered end in the second half, and piling on the pressure towards the end of games. That just isn't allowed to happen anymore with the never ending breaks for fake injuries, water breaks, and endless subs.
Something needs to be done, because watching games is no longer enjoyable.
It used to be the case that if a player was injured near the touchline, that they get dragged off the pitch and treated there, whilst the game continues. Only very serious injuries, head injuries, breaks etc should be treated on the pitch, then stretchered off if necessary. As for water breaks, what's that all about, global warming?
No need to spoil a perfectly decent post with the last bit. No need to drag politics into every post.
Does my memory deceive me but was a yellow card not compulsory for a timewasting prick who waited until the stretcher was on the field then decided he wasn't actually lame after all? Twice on Saturday the tangerine tossers pushed it that far. Saturday was the perfect storm of visiting team shithousery and woeful shitbag narcissist referee Breakspear. Charlie B has two preeminent faults (from an unrivalled repertoire of crap) first: he is terrified of appearing to be swayed by the home crowd so relentlessly favours the visiting team, 2nd he is disgracefully inconsistent - e.g. any trivial contact or push/pull in the middle of the park gets a freekick every time but blatant shirt pulling and wrestling in the penalty area by defenders is always ignored cos he doesn't have the spine to award penalties 12+ minutes of added time but no yellow cards for timewasting = a referee who has to be sacked for incompetence I get that adding time serves partly to counteract the time wasted - if not the disruption to (any) flow but failing to punish the miscreants ensures they continue to disrupt
Solution is to start booing your own players when they do it. If every club's supporters do it then it'll phase it add.
Must only be proper weirdos that can enjoy watching teams roll round time wasting.
I have been one to have a go at our own players for feigning injuries. Get some dirty looks from our own supporters when I yell "get up you tart" or something similar.
Ive hated it for years. Some seem fine with shithousery I just about tolerate it when it comes to stuff what tony watt used to do, rest of it I can't stand but it is very much part of the game now and has been for a long time. Used to laugh at the antics of players in seria a in the 90s. We've surpassed that now.
The number of substitutes & substitutions is ridiculous - as are "water breaks" FFS.
The game has gone in so many ways.
Totally agree. Give it 20 years and we will no doubt see rolling subs. Bring back 2 subs and if the keeper gets injured, put an outfield player in goal. Much more enjoyable.
Perhaps we should make this 'housery socially unacceptable - like smoking.
At the moment there seems to be a sneaking regard for those skilled in the dark arts. Sky presenters will big up the 'professionalism' of those who can strangle the life out of a match. They talk about the skill of experienced 'old heads' disrupting the flow of the so-called beautiful game.
How about instead of doing that, they call out offenders who unashamedly spoil the match? Speak up in no uncertain terms on behalf of the fans. We haven't coughed up to see cheats holding their heads for no reason, players rolling around pole axed after a powder puff challenge or worse still elite athletes crippled by cramp. Jeez, even I can make it to the next room when I get an attack of that ... and sometimes with the disadvantage of alcohol in my bloodstream!
There is an absolute fortune spent in promoting the game and yet administrators gloss over this problem, when it is obvious that far more people would attend games if the product was better - better without the cheats!
Just pause the game when play stops - no injury time, just 90 minutes of football.
I’m not sure that solves it. The purpose of time wasting shenanigans seems to be more about breaking the momentum of the opposition rather than actually wasting time.
Exactly. The only way to stop it is by retrospective punishment.
Quality of football seems to be regressing and the level of shit housery is unreal. It’s crept in the last couple of years but has literally gone through the roof this season.
Fake injuries when conceding goals to kill momentum, fake injuries when winning. Percentage play then break it up, slow it down and frustrate by any means possible.
Everyone is at it, including us (we’ve basically signed Hylton for shithousery alone), but Blackpool today were by far the worst ever example I’ve seen. Their fans wont care as they got the 3 points and we would be the same in reverse.
But it is absolutely killing football as a spectacle. No one is ever going to grow crowds if that’s the offering. It’s at a level they are not seeing in the Prem and Champ so not getting the wider awareness.
Can assure you this isn’t sour grapes because we’ve lost. I’ve not enjoyed games we’ve won and leapt into the dark arts.
How can it be driven back out again?
By not taking the attitude of the bit in bold.
If fans seriously demanded the ideas I and others put forward on the Blackpool thread regarding not stopping the game for injuries, fake and real, then we could get back to really watching football again.
Wonder if a solution is that every player that goes down with a head injury has to have a quick concussion check off the pitch? BE SUBSTITUTED Would cut down the fakers and mean that physios are less rushed to make assessments
Corrected that for you. If a head injury is deemed so serious then they'd better have a good long rest.
Just don't stop play, unless it's a head injury which is already a rule is it not? If play's stopped for a head injury have the 4th official watch an instant replay pitchside (assuming they have the technology to do so) to determine if there was any contact to the head. If there's contact to the head then carry on as you would do with a free kick etc, if found to be no contact then book the player for simulation.
Said the exact same thing to my lad when he got in. Maybe even upgrade it to a red like they did for a professional foul after Willy Youngs tackle on young Allen in the cup final in 1980.
But the reason why we lost today was not because of "shithousery" or the referee but because Blackpool scored more goals than us.
Look at our record this season. Score first & we win. Conceed first and we don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a coach with a EUFA pro badge to work this one out.
I'll let you all ponder the answer.
Oh no, please tell us, oh wise one, please!!!!
Is "the answer" something about scoring more goals than the opposition?
Two things, my lord, must thee know of the Wisegolfie. First, he doesn't play golf anymore. And second, he likes 'doing a golfie.'
Arsenal in time-wasting storm as it emerges young substitute was shown a yellow card for 'instructing keeper David Raya to run down clock' at Man City in new 'dark arts' tactic
Arsenal in time-wasting storm as it emerges young substitute was shown a yellow card for 'instructing keeper David Raya to run down clock' at Man City in new 'dark arts' tactic
Ah Premier League fans, so innocent to all the shite going on in the lower leagues.
I suppose at least with this kind of spotlight it makes it more likely that something will be done about it.
My new rule to stop players going down for fake injuries:
- if a goalkeeper requires medical attention, whether able to continue or not, they must be substituted immediately. If the sub goalkeeper requires medical attention, they must also leave the field and an outfield player goes in goal, leaving their team down to 10 for the rest of the match.
- if an outfield player requires medical attention, they must remain off the field for treatment for a minimum of two minutes (the ball must be in play).
My new rule to stop players going down for fake injuries:
- if a goalkeeper requires medical attention, whether able to continue or not, they must be substituted immediately. If the sub goalkeeper requires medical attention, they must also leave the field and an outfield player goes in goal, leaving their team down to 10 for the rest of the match.
- if an outfield player requires medical attention, they must remain off the field for treatment for a minimum of two minutes (the ball must be in play).
This may just encourage teams to literally "kick you off the pitch". The more the opposition injure your team, the greater advantage they get.
Arsenal in time-wasting storm as it emerges young substitute was shown a yellow card for 'instructing keeper David Raya to run down clock' at Man City in new 'dark arts' tactic
Ah Premier League fans, so innocent to all the shite going on in the lower leagues.
I suppose at least with this kind of spotlight it makes it more likely that something will be done about it.
As if Premier League fans are unaware of shithousery , they can’t help their team is not utter turd and playing in league one . They’re more likely to be called out on shit because there’s 84 cameras and interest because football does break out in that league occasionally. A stat that is ignored in the second half of the Man City game was one of if not the longest ‘played’ half of football this season with the ball in play 35 minutes , I bet we didn’t have it in play much over 25 mins in our match . So disrupting a team from gaining momentum is more of an outcome when the official is on top of the time wasting .
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We did have a quick chat about the players going down with injuries particularly those holding their heads.
They recognised it happens, said their referees are not trained medics so are in a difficult position. They said to stop it happening it had to come from the clubs and the managers.
Love some of the ideas above to try and deter it and 12 minutes injury time just shows how bad it was on Saturday.
A player goes down like he's been shot.
Few minutes later, he manages to get up.
For 4-5 steps he acts like it's incredibly difficult to walk...
Ooo! Argh! Eee! Oww!
That difficult walk turns into a stiff jog for few steps, obviously still in immense pain
Just a few steps more and he's completely healed.
The only way to do that is to prevent all the interruptions.
Treat players off the pitch, except for the most serious injuries, and go back to only two subs allowed. And no water/coaching breaks either.
All the new rules are destroying the game.
In view of all the abuses Blackpool used to disrupt the game last Saturday, new rules introduced immediately could put an early end to these time wasting practices and return the game to the spectacle we all want to see.
In the past, players were removed to the nearest touchline and treated off the field for their "injuries" to allow the game to continue. (Obvious serious injuries excluded). If re-introduced, perhaps we would see a stop to all the nonsense witnessed in the last game? As an additional feature, perhaps a 5 minute wait should be introduced from the moment the Trainers indicate their player is ready to re-enter the match to discourage the numbers of unnecessary stoppages.
Managers carded if the tactics are repeated and followed up with fines.
But if you ignore it, the pain does go away after a few minutes of walking... its when the pain doesnt go away that you know that you've done serious damage.
The only solution I can think of, and I mentioned it on the post match thread, is to have retrospective red cards if video evidence showed that a player was feigning a head injury, for example.
The thing that really winds me up is pretending to have head injuries. They are so serious and not taken seriously enough but never will when players use them cynically
What's changed so much, that extremely fit athletes cannot now run around for 45 minutes without requiring water, when they did so perfectly well for decades before.
I didn't even think about Politics, I'm just curious as to what's changed, and the only thing I can think of is that the Football Authorities must now believe that players are sweating far more than they have in previous years, due to the increase in temperatures.
Saturday was the perfect storm of visiting team shithousery and woeful shitbag narcissist referee Breakspear. Charlie B has two preeminent faults (from an unrivalled repertoire of crap) first: he is terrified of appearing to be swayed by the home crowd so relentlessly favours the visiting team, 2nd he is disgracefully inconsistent - e.g. any trivial contact or push/pull in the middle of the park gets a freekick every time but blatant shirt pulling and wrestling in the penalty area by defenders is always ignored cos he doesn't have the spine to award penalties
12+ minutes of added time but no yellow cards for timewasting = a referee who has to be sacked for incompetence
I get that adding time serves partly to counteract the time wasted - if not the disruption to (any) flow but failing to punish the miscreants ensures they continue to disrupt
Ive hated it for years. Some seem fine with shithousery I just about tolerate it when it comes to stuff what tony watt used to do, rest of it I can't stand but it is very much part of the game now and has been for a long time. Used to laugh at the antics of players in seria a in the 90s. We've surpassed that now.
The game has gone in so many ways.
At the moment there seems to be a sneaking regard for those skilled in the dark arts. Sky presenters will big up the 'professionalism' of those who can strangle the life out of a match. They talk about the skill of experienced 'old heads' disrupting the flow of the so-called beautiful game.
How about instead of doing that, they call out offenders who unashamedly spoil the match? Speak up in no uncertain terms on behalf of the fans. We haven't coughed up to see cheats holding their heads for no reason, players rolling around pole axed after a powder puff challenge or worse still elite athletes crippled by cramp. Jeez, even I can make it to the next room when I get an attack of that ... and sometimes with the disadvantage of alcohol in my bloodstream!
There is an absolute fortune spent in promoting the game and yet administrators gloss over this problem, when it is obvious that far more people would attend games if the product was better - better without the cheats!
By not taking the attitude of the bit in bold.
If fans seriously demanded the ideas I and others put forward on the Blackpool thread regarding not stopping the game for injuries, fake and real, then we could get back to really watching football again.
If a head injury is deemed so serious then they'd better have a good long rest.
Arsenal in time-wasting storm as it emerges young substitute was shown a yellow card for 'instructing keeper David Raya to run down clock' at Man City in new 'dark arts' tactic
I suppose at least with this kind of spotlight it makes it more likely that something will be done about it.
- if a goalkeeper requires medical attention, whether able to continue or not, they must be substituted immediately. If the sub goalkeeper requires medical attention, they must also leave the field and an outfield player goes in goal, leaving their team down to 10 for the rest of the match.
The more the opposition injure your team, the greater advantage they get.
They’re more likely to be called out on shit because there’s 84 cameras and interest because football does break out in that league occasionally.
A stat that is ignored in the second half of the Man City game was one of if not the longest ‘played’ half of football this season with the ball in play 35 minutes , I bet we didn’t have it in play much over 25 mins in our match .
So disrupting a team from gaining momentum is more of an outcome when the official is on top of the time wasting .