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I’m growing to hate L1

Quality of football seems to be regressing and the level of shit housery is unreal. It’s crept in the last couple of years but has literally gone through the roof this season.

Fake injuries when conceding goals to kill momentum, fake injuries when winning. Percentage play then break it up, slow it down and frustrate by any means possible.

Everyone is at it, including us (we’ve basically signed Hylton for shithousery alone), but Blackpool today were by far the worst ever example I’ve seen. Their fans wont care as they got the 3 points and we would be the same in reverse. 

But it is absolutely killing football as a spectacle. No one is ever going to grow crowds if that’s the offering. It’s at a level they are not seeing in the Prem and Champ so not getting the wider awareness. 

Can assure you this isn’t sour grapes because we’ve lost. I’ve not enjoyed games we’ve won and leapt into the dark arts.

How can it be driven back out again? 
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  • It can't

    We just have to by some miracle fluke promotion to a higher level of shithousery.
  • edited September 21
    Quality of football seems to be regressing and the level of shit housery is unreal. It’s crept in the last couple of years but has literally gone through the roof this season.

    Fake injuries when conceding goals to kill momentum, fake injuries when winning. Percentage play then break it up, slow it down and frustrate by any means possible.

    Everyone is at it, including us (we’ve basically signed Hylton for shithousery alone), but Blackpool today were by far the worst ever example I’ve seen. Their fans wont care as they got the 3 points and we would be the same in reverse. 

    But it is absolutely killing football as a spectacle. No one is ever going to grow crowds if that’s the offering. It’s at a level they are not seeing in the Prem and Champ so not getting the wider awareness. 

    Can assure you this isn’t sour grapes because we’ve lost. I’ve not enjoyed games we’ve won and leapt into the dark arts.

    How can it be driven back out again? 
    I’ve hated it since the first time we dropped into it but you’re right the shithousery has got out of hand but it’s not just league one it’s at the very top as well . 
  • edited September 21
    I always thought the best way to combat time wasting was to do what they did last season (and today) by just adding stupid amounts on, and dealing with it by cards - The alternate option I've always thought of was to give a time limit on when a dead ball can be taken, if its not dealt with in a certain time frame, it goes to the opposition (e.g. Take too long with a Goal Kick, and it becomes a corner).

    What we saw today though, and this season, is a new way to counter time wasting. I've genuinely got no idea how to deal with it either... The obvious answer is to make players stay off the pitch for longer than 30secs, but then you'll get the honest teams suffering, when the clubs under Steve Evans etc. kick lumps out of them... How is that fair, when you're getting genuine injuries.

    Neutral physios who travel with the referees maybe? - But how do you tell someone that they dont actually have cramp, or their ankle is too painful for them to walk, and so weed out those faking it to delay time, and those who are actually injured?
  • edited September 21
    At one stage today four physio’s came on for a Blackpool player who had a severely fractured arm  . Needles to say he came back on a minute later miraculously cured. It has to stop 
  • If a player goes down injured, he should then leave the pitch for 3x the injury period. Rhodes went down after committing a bad foul for 2 minutes? Leave him on the sidelines for 6.
  • edited September 21
    It's not just our games. I had the "pleasure" of watching Lincoln v Wigan earlier and it was quite probably one of the dullest games I've ever seen.

    Every time a player got touched they went down. The players took every opportunity to slow the game down. Every time either team got into a decent position the ball went backwards. They seemed intent on not losing the ball instead of trying to score. And then they lost the ball anyway, because they're shit League 1 footballers.

    It was turgid dog muck and I pity the poor people that paid to go and watch it. It ended 0-0 and the commentator was on the verge of slashing his own wrists to relieve the boredom.

    Football is "packaged" as entertainment. It's supposed to be entertaining and that's the reason they justify the high price of admission - because it's supposed to be on a par with going to the cinema, or to watch a gig or a show. But the "product" is getting worse.

    Personally I think it's because the players are fitter these days, so much so that it makes the pitch smaller and the play more condensed. It's (theoretically) easier to more defensive and close down the space and the gaps.

    Here's a radical idea. Make it a 10-a-side game. Create that extra space and allow the game to breath.
     
  • Just don't stop play, unless it's a head injury which is already a rule is not? If play's stopped for a head injury have the 4th official watch an instant replay pitchside (assuming they have the technology to do so) to determine if there was any contact to the head. If there's contact to the head then carry on as you would do with a free kick etc, if found to be no contact then book the player for simulation.
    Players go down holding their head and then get treatment on their ankle. That suggests the injury isn’t to the head. The ref should be aware of this without the need for a 4th official to watch a replay, but they don’t and your idea is a good one
  • What’s taken you so long? 
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  • I think time wasting was taken to a new level today, never seen so many players fall to the ground, and the ref kept falling for it.
  • The only solution is adding tonnes of stopping time to the end of the game. We could have had 20mins added on today and no one would have questioned it. The point being that a team who spent ages shithousing for the entire half will then have to deal with an additional large amount of time they might not have the stamina for, effectively punishing themselves. 

    ...and that also means you would need to include added time on to the added time if they continue the bullshit. 
  • Thing is we shouldn’t have gone two down otherwise game would have been different.
  • The way their number 4 went down after the keeper made that save from Jones made you think he was seriously hurt then the useless plank ref signals for a stretcher,not needed after all,the number 4 was subbed off,he was miraculously recovered enough to give it to the fans at the end. Embarrassing. The thing i hate most about league 1 is the refs. Every week we all say how bad the ref is and somehow they get worse. Ive seen better referees on a Sunday morning than that fat shit today They should be held accountable when they dont do their job properly. 
  • I’ve never seen a game like it today!

    their #7 went down 3 times in quick succession but each time it stopped the game.  Then kept up, ran into position with a smile and repeated it.  Such blatant cheating. 

    The ref had completely lost control

    theor physio must be one of the fittest members of their staff seeing as they all appear to be made of tracing paper
  • fenaddick said:
    Wonder if a solution is that every player that goes down with a head injury has to have a quick concussion check off the pitch? Would cut down the fakers and mean that physios are less rushed to make assessments 
    They do that in rugby effectively.

    The thought of losing a crucial player like Albie Morgan for 10, 15 minutes or more might deter the likes of Bruce instructing his team to cheat.
  • It was at a level today that I haven't ever seen before. Referee bought it from them every day and twice on Sundays.

    Utter embarrassment. Bruce had absolutely given them full direction to do this for the entirety of the second half. You are reliant on the referee to see through it in the context of the match, but he was a complete buffoon.

    Unless referees have the intelligence to see through it, it will keep happening. No chance with the one we had today.
  • Not proper men. Cheating tarts. Would love to see a few rugby players properly tackle some of the pathetic little weasels.


  • Not proper men. Cheating tarts. Would love to see a few rugby players properly tackle some of the pathetic little weasels.


    That's not very "inclusive" of you Rodders.
  • The amount of constant holding of forwards that opposition teams get away with is very surprising. I noticed a dramatic increase in blind refereeing of this towards the (end of) Stockley era. 
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  • Quality of football seems to be regressing and the level of shit housery is unreal. It’s crept in the last couple of years but has literally gone through the roof this season.

    Fake injuries when conceding goals to kill momentum, fake injuries when winning. Percentage play then break it up, slow it down and frustrate by any means possible.

    Everyone is at it, including us (we’ve basically signed Hylton for shithousery alone), but Blackpool today were by far the worst ever example I’ve seen. Their fans wont care as they got the 3 points and we would be the same in reverse. 

    But it is absolutely killing football as a spectacle. No one is ever going to grow crowds if that’s the offering. It’s at a level they are not seeing in the Prem and Champ so not getting the wider awareness. 

    Can assure you this isn’t sour grapes because we’ve lost. I’ve not enjoyed games we’ve won and leapt into the dark arts.

    How can it be driven back out again? 

  • LenGlover said:
    fenaddick said:
    Wonder if a solution is that every player that goes down with a head injury has to have a quick concussion check off the pitch? Would cut down the fakers and mean that physios are less rushed to make assessments 
    They do that in rugby effectively.

    The thought of losing a crucial player like Albie Morgan for 10, 15 minutes or more might deter the likes of Bruce instructing his team to cheat.
    yeah I was thinking of like NFL but without the option to put on another player
  • The way we were outsmarted at home today, looks like we could be staying longer. 
  • Just don't stop play, unless it's a head injury which is already a rule is it not? If play's stopped for a head injury have the 4th official watch an instant replay pitchside (assuming they have the technology to do so) to determine if there was any contact to the head. If there's contact to the head then carry on as you would do with a free kick etc, if found to be no contact then book the player for simulation.
    Said the exact same thing to my lad when he got in. Maybe even upgrade it to a red like they did for a professional foul after Willy Youngs tackle on young Allen in the cup final in 1980.  

    But the reason why we lost today was not because of "shithousery" or the referee but because Blackpool scored more goals than us. 

    Look at our record this season. Score first & we win. Conceed first and we don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a coach with a EUFA pro badge to work this one out.

    I'll let you all ponder the answer. 

  • We might have been in the Championship at the time but, five years on from this thread, nothing has changed

    https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/87266/how-many-minutes-of-football-do-you-reckon-you-saw-today/p1
  • edited September 21
    getting to the point where we need a stadium clock that stops every time a physio comes on - but agree with AFKA it's awful to watch & paired with a useless ref it kills the game. 50% of the fouls he gave today were simple challenges for the ball
  • edited September 21
    One of the biggest frustrations of today's ref in particular and a lot of ref's in this division is where they're happy to give a soft free kick in the middle of the pitch but when something similar happens inside the penalty box, nothing given. The ref gave a lot of soft fouls today, pretty sure there was something in the second half which would have been a soft penalty for us if given but given plenty of times a free kick halfway up the pitch for very similar.
  • Off_it said:
    Not proper men. Cheating tarts. Would love to see a few rugby players properly tackle some of the pathetic little weasels.


    That's not very "inclusive" of you Rodders.
    You are letting the mask slip a bit this evening. Been drinking?
  • Off_it said:
    Just don't stop play, unless it's a head injury which is already a rule is it not? If play's stopped for a head injury have the 4th official watch an instant replay pitchside (assuming they have the technology to do so) to determine if there was any contact to the head. If there's contact to the head then carry on as you would do with a free kick etc, if found to be no contact then book the player for simulation.
    Said the exact same thing to my lad when he got in. Maybe even upgrade it to a red like they did for a professional foul after Willy Youngs tackle on young Allen in the cup final in 1980.  

    But the reason why we lost today was not because of "shithousery" or the referee but because Blackpool scored more goals than us. 

    Look at our record this season. Score first & we win. Conceed first and we don't. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a coach with a EUFA pro badge to work this one out.

    I'll let you all ponder the answer. 

    Oh no, please tell us, oh wise one, please!!!!

    Is "the answer" something about scoring more goals than the opposition? 
    Yep... definitely on one 
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