I’ve fucking hated it always 1 season in my first 33 years of watching Charlton and currently sloshing about in this cesspit wanking ourselves off with 1-0 wins against Orient ffs 11 seasons in 16 in this shithouse 5 on the spin and counting dogshit
but by being in league one we get the added bonus of getting all excited about a win in a competition that has palace u21s in it ffs utter turd fest
I wouldn't be surprised if they had a scout watching us against Rotherham last week and saw how effective Rotherham were by using the same tactic after Chuks equalised. One of our traditional strengths is attacking the covered end in the second half, and piling on the pressure towards the end of games. That just isn't allowed to happen anymore with the never ending breaks for fake injuries, water breaks, and endless subs.
Something needs to be done, because watching games is no longer enjoyable.
It used to be the case that if a player was injured near the touchline, that they get dragged off the pitch and treated there, whilst the game continues. Only very serious injuries, head injuries, breaks etc should be treated on the pitch, then stretchered off if necessary. As for water breaks, what's that all about, global warming?
Your not alone, the standard is very poor and the gamesmanship is worse, we are going to truly have to battle our way out of it, or somebody is going to have to over spend massively and deal with the consequences.
I’ve fucking hated it always 1 season in my first 33 years of watching Charlton and currently sloshing about in this cesspit wanking ourselves off with 1-0 wins against Orient ffs 11 seasons in 16 in this shithouse 5 on the spin and counting dogshit
but by being in league one we get the added bonus of getting all excited about a win in a competition that has palace u21s in it ffs utter turd fest
I may be reading too much into this, but reading between the lines, I have a sneaky suspicion that you’re not a fan of L1?
It's been really good to get something positive at the start of this season but Ive been around too long and can't see us getting out this year.
Money talks and once again we havn't got it.
Birmingham and Wrexham will run away with the league with another couple of teams coming proper good as the season rolls on.
We have some guile, we have some defensive smarts and we can grind teams down at times but we aren't dominant and no amount of arm flapping from Jones will solve that.
I'm gonna start a barbie and crack open a non alcoholic beer to drown my sorrows.
It's the rage that's the difficult thing to content with.
I agree with other posters L1 has been awful for ages. I welcomed and forewarned my Brum supporting mate in the summer to the league of fat referees, time wasting and one man and his dog away followings.
In terms of time wasting and the dark arts, Wycombe always stood out as the kings under ainsworth, yet somehow yesterday was a new low. That ref was as weak as piss and boy did Blackpool milk him dry.I don't usually leave early when there is one goal in it but with 5 mins of injury time still left I couldn't take any more and that was when we'd just won a free kick in their half.
But is this unique to L1 and will getting out of it help us fans? I very much doubt it. It's got to be a mindset of win at all cost managers who recognise what a bad run of results inevitably brings. Some get sacked for not playing entertaining football but not many. Even the 'holy grail' of the premier league brings it's own issues from a spectator experience. VAR looks like the equivalent of an orgasm suppressor to me. Who would volunteer for that pill in a hurry? It's a no thanks from me most certainly.
Sadly, I fear there is no solution to this time wasting cancer that is killing football. After 40 plus years of watching and enjoying football, I rarely watch it on TV now and I've been seriously questioning why I keep going to matches for a couple of years now. Yesterday was very much one of those occasions.
I've worked out that sadly, whilst I don't love football any more, I do love Charlton Athletic and the people that I attend matches with. And that keeps me hooked despite the anti football tactics which we saw yesterday.
The pulsating, end to end game of football is dead and buried in league one.
Any sign of a losing side gaining momentum must be crushed by the winning team. Elite athletes are taught to hold their heads rather than their legs because play has to stop. Goalkeepers going down is a good one - they don't even have to go off.
Tacticians are too clever by half, they're working themselves and everyone else out of a job. No one wants to witness what we endured yesterday.
It's a bloody hard watch this season even when we win! Don't get me wrong we've done a lot of good stuff the last six months or so but fucking hell the football is turgid! This combined with the constant shithousery from other teams and us doesn't make for great entertainment. At least the pricing in the covered end is competitive I guess! Lost count of the number of times players just sit down off the ball and wait for the ref to stop play this season. It happens all the fucking time and is embarrassing to be honest. Refs are weak and just can't control games it seems. And like other posters have said this isn't sour grapes cause we lost. Blackpool were the much better side and deserved the points, but this gamesmanship/game management/shithousery whatever you want to call it is getting out of control and is killing it as a spectacle. It's just soooo boring and frustrating.
I would generally be ashamed as a man to roll round in front of a crowd of people like they do. In front of their kids/ missus etc.
When you look at what boxers, rugby players etc put their bodies through and go out of the way to defy they are hurt yet these tossers in modern football act like this. I hate it when any of ours do it and miss the days of Bowyer when they would get a rocket for swerving a challenge let a lone rolling round on the deck after a gentle nudge.
Weird generation of ponces coming through in football now and if this is being coached then shame on the managers....especially by old school hard players like Steve Bruce.
The only way around shithousery is to score the first goal and definitely not go 2 goals down. CAFC have and do engage in the dark arts and Jason Pearce had many an 'injury' in the last 10 minutes of a game.
Problem with Steve Bruce's team; it was most of the match !
There was more laying down yesterday than on Blackpool beach and more stoppages than on the unionized railways.
What happened to the beautiful game or was it all a myth in the mediocre 3rd tier 🤔
Time wasting really isn't a new phenomenon. It's been going on for decades and decades. As has holding, blocking, feigning injury etc etc. It goes all the way back to the 1960s and the way the Italians used "catenaccio" to defend the 18 yard box. It was that successful at the time that Dino Zoff went two years without conceding a goal for Italy between 1972 and 1974. Then later, between late 1974 and 1975, they played seven games in which three goals were scored (two for and one against). It was all about not losing. Nothing has changed in that respect either. "We'll take a point, they are a tough team to play" is what managers will frequently say. Then, of course it dawns on fans that four wins and six defeats is, actually, better than an unbeaten run of ten draws. Managers don't want to take that risk of losing though. Even five wins and five defeats won't be enough for some to keep their jobs.
What has contributed to that is how managers have coached out individuality. Anyone who offers something a bit extra or different soon finds themselves playing at a level above or consigned to the reserves. Anyone perceived to have that ability to do something different but who doesn't conform to the percentages demanded by the coach, will find themselves in the cold. Ball retention and squeezing/pressing/closing down when they don't have it are the order of the day. The player that will beat three players and then try and shoot from 30 yards and will lose the ball in dangerous areas will soon find themselves considered a luxury. That goes for all levels of football.
Michail Antonio has spoken about how, because he didn't come through an academy, he wasn't "programmed" and when he entered the pro game would one minute show something magical and the next the manager would be giving him a right dressing down for giving the ball away. A couple of weeks ago his manager, Lopetegui, substituted him at half time because he wasn't doing "what he should be doing". Some things don't change but when the magic goes and you make mistakes then you really are in trouble.
We had one such player ourselves who had that raw, untarnished, talent - Ademola Lookman. Someone who didn't fit the mould. Who didn't do what the manager wanted him to do and that goes for all of the time. That didn't happen so much with us but it certainly did at the highest level. It was at Everton where it was most prevalent and the person to limit his opportunites was Sam Allardyce. He didn't start Lookman in a single PL game and gave him 30 minutes in total in 10 PL matches (despite scoring twice in the first 30 mins of a Europa League game). Allardyce then threw his toys out of the pram when Lookman had the gall to demand a loan move to Leipzig rather than to a Championship club which Allardyce wanted -“We had a much better opportunity to give him that but his stubbornness got him his own way in the end." I'm sure that this had nothing to do with Allardyce's relationship with certain agents. The rest is history as they say. But, actually, we saw both sides of Lookman in the Europa Final - the one that scores a brilliant hat-trick and then the one that went for four goals rather than pass to the man with the easier option to score. Sometimes it is really difficult to have one without the other.
Don't get me wrong, effort is the bare minimum and I'm not talking about luxury players who stroll around the park as if the game owes them a living (Marcus Maddison for just one such example) but coaches have turned the game, as others have suggested, into one that is sterile and full of tactical robots.
It's not just our games. I had the "pleasure" of watching Lincoln v Wigan earlier and it was quite probably one of the dullest games I've ever seen.
Every time a player got touched they went down. The players took every opportunity to slow the game down. Every time either team got into a decent position the ball went backwards. They seemed intent on not losing the ball instead of trying to score. And then they lost the ball anyway, because they're shit League 1 footballers.
It was turgid dog muck and I pity the poor people that paid to go and watch it. It ended 0-0 and the commentator was on the verge of slashing his own wrists to relieve the boredom.
Football is "packaged" as entertainment. It's supposed to be entertaining and that's the reason they justify the high price of admission - because it's supposed to be on a par with going to the cinema, or to watch a gig or a show. But the "product" is getting worse.
Personally I think it's because the players are fitter these days, so much so that it makes the pitch smaller and the play more condensed. It's (theoretically) easier to more defensive and close down the space and the gaps.
Here's a radical idea. Make it a 10-a-side game. Create that extra space and allow the game to breath.
I've a better one. Make it that a goalkeeper can't be taller than 5ft 4 ins.
I would generally be ashamed as a man to roll round in front of a crowd of people like they do. In front of their kids/ missus etc.
When you look at what boxers, rugby players etc put their bodies through and go out of the way to defy they are hurt yet these tossers in modern football act like this. I hate it when any of ours do it and miss the days of Bowyer when they would get a rocket for swerving a challenge let a lone rolling round on the deck after a gentle nudge.
Weird generation of ponces coming through in football now and if this is being coached then shame on the managers....especially by old school hard players like Steve Bruce.
Ditto for the physio / sponge man, running on to pretend to treat some feigning little c*** in an attempt to help the clock tick by.
A bit of shithousery is one thing, but the blatant time wasting is now out of hand. We had 12 mins of added time yesterday (almost an extra 25% of a half!) - almost entirely due to Blackpool’s outrageous time wasting. There will be absolutely no repercussions for Blackpool and they will be free to do exactly the same next time they’re winning a match (just as we would to be fair).
I honestly think it’s got to the point where the Football League are going to have to intervene with retrospective fines and ultimately points deductions for teams who are blatantly wasting time - simply adding the time on at the end isn’t an adequate punishment.
I remember that year in the championship being bad for this sort of orchestrated time wasting, the Preston and Birmingham games were particularly bad as I recall.
The only way around shithousery is to score the first goal and definitely not go 2 goals down. CAFC have and do engage in the dark arts and Jason Pearce had many an 'injury' in the last 10 minutes of a game.
Problem with Steve Bruce's team; it was most of the match !
There was more laying down yesterday than on Blackpool beach and more stoppages than on the unionized railways.
What happened to the beautiful game or was it all a myth in the mediocre 3rd tier 🤔
But our tactics are to play athletes not footballers for at least an hour and hope the other team is puffed out but not too far in front when we sub our footballer on….d’oh!
its on the increase in every league, not just league one. Diving, conning the ref, feigning injuries etc. The Euros in the summer was full of it
This. Most of my mates (except for the qpr ones) support one of the big boys. We have a whatsapp group and when the Champion league or PL games are on, you can guarantee the texts will fly in about time wasting, players feigning injury, players going down to kill the momentum the other team is getting etc.
It's a problem throughout the whole game, not just at our level.
its on the increase in every league, not just league one. Diving, conning the ref, feigning injuries etc. The Euros in the summer was full of it
This. Most of my mates (except for the qpr ones) support one of the big boys. We have a whatsapp group and when the Champion league or PL games are on, you can guarantee the texts will fly in about time wasting, players feigning injury, players going down to kill the momentum the other team is getting etc.
It's a problem throughout the whole game, not just at our level.
Rodri couldn't even last 20 seconds in today's game.
I've hated British football for years and Saturday's masterclass in shithousing was another gruesome example of everything wrong with the game. If Charlton wasn't such an ingrained habit in our family I'd have binned it long ago.
I only watch J.League on TV these days. It's fast, open and refreshingly honest football. Free on youtube too, so double bonus of not giving Sky any money!
I've hated British football for years and Saturday's masterclass in shithousing was another gruesome example of everything wrong with the game. If Charlton wasn't such an ingrained habit in our family I'd have binned it long ago.
I only watch J.League on TV these days. It's fast, open and refreshingly honest football. Free on youtube too, so double bonus of not giving Sky any money!
I suspect I’m not alone but literally the only interest I have in football now is Charlton and my son’s Sunday morning team. I’ve given up on MOTD and whilst my son will have the games on Sky, frankly I’d rather be doing something else.
I know it’s an age thing but I could name our line ups throughout the late 80’s and tell you all the cup winners. I honestly couldn’t tell you who one last seasons FA cup.
Just pause the game when play stops - no injury time, just 90 minutes of football.
I’m not sure that solves it. The purpose of time wasting shenanigans seems to be more about breaking the momentum of the opposition rather than actually wasting time.
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1 season in my first 33 years of watching Charlton and currently sloshing about in this cesspit wanking ourselves off with 1-0 wins against Orient ffs
11 seasons in 16 in this shithouse
5 on the spin and counting
dogshit
but by being in league one we get the added bonus of getting all excited about a win in a competition that has palace u21s in it ffs utter turd fest
One of our traditional strengths is attacking the covered end in the second half, and piling on the pressure towards the end of games.
That just isn't allowed to happen anymore with the never ending breaks for fake injuries, water breaks, and endless subs.
Something needs to be done, because watching games is no longer enjoyable.
It used to be the case that if a player was injured near the touchline, that they get dragged off the pitch and treated there, whilst the game continues.
Only very serious injuries, head injuries, breaks etc should be treated on the pitch, then stretchered off if necessary.
As for water breaks, what's that all about, global warming?
It's been really good to get something positive at the start of this season but Ive been around too long and can't see us getting out this year.
Money talks and once again we havn't got it.
Birmingham and Wrexham will run away with the league with another couple of teams coming proper good as the season rolls on.
We have some guile, we have some defensive smarts and we can grind teams down at times but we aren't dominant and no amount of arm flapping from Jones will solve that.
I'm gonna start a barbie and crack open a non alcoholic beer to drown my sorrows.
It's the rage that's the difficult thing to content with.
In terms of time wasting and the dark arts, Wycombe always stood out as the kings under ainsworth, yet somehow yesterday was a new low. That ref was as weak as piss and boy did Blackpool milk him dry.I don't usually leave early when there is one goal in it but with 5 mins of injury time still left I couldn't take any more and that was when we'd just won a free kick in their half.
But is this unique to L1 and will getting out of it help us fans? I very much doubt it. It's got to be a mindset of win at all cost managers who recognise what a bad run of results inevitably brings. Some get sacked for not playing entertaining football but not many. Even the 'holy grail' of the premier league brings it's own issues from a spectator experience. VAR looks like the equivalent of an orgasm suppressor to me. Who would volunteer for that pill in a hurry? It's a no thanks from me most certainly.
Sadly, I fear there is no solution to this time wasting cancer that is killing football. After 40 plus years of watching and enjoying football, I rarely watch it on TV now and I've been seriously questioning why I keep going to matches for a couple of years now. Yesterday was very much one of those occasions.
I've worked out that sadly, whilst I don't love football any more, I do love Charlton Athletic and the people that I attend matches with. And that keeps me hooked despite the anti football tactics which we saw yesterday.
People "in football" need to have a look at themselves and realise they are well on the way to completely fucking the thing up.
Any sign of a losing side gaining momentum must be crushed by the winning team. Elite athletes are taught to hold their heads rather than their legs because play has to stop. Goalkeepers going down is a good one - they don't even have to go off.
Tacticians are too clever by half, they're working themselves and everyone else out of a job. No one wants to witness what we endured yesterday.
If a player goes down, the physio comes on to treat but the game doesn't stop.
When you look at what boxers, rugby players etc put their bodies through and go out of the way to defy they are hurt yet these tossers in modern football act like this. I hate it when any of ours do it and miss the days of Bowyer when they would get a rocket for swerving a challenge let a lone rolling round on the deck after a gentle nudge.
Weird generation of ponces coming through in football now and if this is being coached then shame on the managers....especially by old school hard players like Steve Bruce.
CAFC have and do engage in the dark arts and Jason Pearce had many an 'injury' in the last 10 minutes of a game.
Problem with Steve Bruce's team; it was most of the match !
There was more laying down yesterday than on Blackpool beach and more stoppages than on the unionized railways.
What happened to the beautiful game or was it all a myth in the mediocre 3rd tier 🤔
What has contributed to that is how managers have coached out individuality. Anyone who offers something a bit extra or different soon finds themselves playing at a level above or consigned to the reserves. Anyone perceived to have that ability to do something different but who doesn't conform to the percentages demanded by the coach, will find themselves in the cold. Ball retention and squeezing/pressing/closing down when they don't have it are the order of the day. The player that will beat three players and then try and shoot from 30 yards and will lose the ball in dangerous areas will soon find themselves considered a luxury. That goes for all levels of football.
Michail Antonio has spoken about how, because he didn't come through an academy, he wasn't "programmed" and when he entered the pro game would one minute show something magical and the next the manager would be giving him a right dressing down for giving the ball away. A couple of weeks ago his manager, Lopetegui, substituted him at half time because he wasn't doing "what he should be doing". Some things don't change but when the magic goes and you make mistakes then you really are in trouble.
We had one such player ourselves who had that raw, untarnished, talent - Ademola Lookman. Someone who didn't fit the mould. Who didn't do what the manager wanted him to do and that goes for all of the time. That didn't happen so much with us but it certainly did at the highest level. It was at Everton where it was most prevalent and the person to limit his opportunites was Sam Allardyce. He didn't start Lookman in a single PL game and gave him 30 minutes in total in 10 PL matches (despite scoring twice in the first 30 mins of a Europa League game). Allardyce then threw his toys out of the pram when Lookman had the gall to demand a loan move to Leipzig rather than to a Championship club which Allardyce wanted -“We had a much better opportunity to give him that but his stubbornness got him his own way in the end." I'm sure that this had nothing to do with Allardyce's relationship with certain agents. The rest is history as they say. But, actually, we saw both sides of Lookman in the Europa Final - the one that scores a brilliant hat-trick and then the one that went for four goals rather than pass to the man with the easier option to score. Sometimes it is really difficult to have one without the other.
Don't get me wrong, effort is the bare minimum and I'm not talking about luxury players who stroll around the park as if the game owes them a living (Marcus Maddison for just one such example) but coaches have turned the game, as others have suggested, into one that is sterile and full of tactical robots.
It's a problem throughout the whole game, not just at our level.
Must only be proper weirdos that can enjoy watching teams roll round time wasting.
I only watch J.League on TV these days. It's fast, open and refreshingly honest football. Free on youtube too, so double bonus of not giving Sky any money!
I know it’s an age thing but I could name our line ups throughout the late 80’s and tell you all the cup winners. I honestly couldn’t tell you who one last seasons FA cup.