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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham

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  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    Steven81 said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Steven81 said:
    See the blind faith bellends have been shown up again lol
    Because exactly what we said would happen is happening? Lol
    Bump :smiley:
    Er yeah, it's still exactly the same; Alfie is a streaky striker. Scored 4 in 4, 2 in 19 and then 5 in 8. Streaky.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Give me the consistency of Ahadme’s scoring record over a streaky striker any day 😉
    One goal for in the league, one against. Perfectly balanced.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    Garrymanilow said:
    Steven81 said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Steven81 said:
    See the blind faith bellends have been shown up again lol
    Because exactly what we said would happen is happening? Lol
    Bump :smiley:
    Er yeah, it's still exactly the same; Alfie is a streaky striker. Scored 4 in 4, 2 in 19 and then 5 in 8. Streaky.
    Exactly lol I’m not being proved wrong here. I don’t know if people go into a state of psychosis when they read my posts or what the problem is…
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    edited January 5
    Chunes said:
    They're finally playing him as a striker and he's scored 3 in 2. Think Stansfield is going to get pushed into playing behind. Not bad to kick a £15 million man out of the position.
    He hasn’t started a game behind Stansfield since 9th November against Northampton… almost two months.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited January 5
    Callumcafc said:
    Chunes said:
    They're finally playing him as a striker and he's scored 3 in 2. Think Stansfield is going to get pushed into playing behind. Not bad to kick a £15 million man out of the position.
    He hasn’t started a game behind Stansfield since 9th November against Northampton… almost two months.
    Is that based on SofaScore? Brum fans have been hailing the fact the manager is finally playing him in his favoured position. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,413
    We swapped him for the “natural goal scorer” Godden. 
    Now renamed “2 touch Godden”, seeing as that’s all he ever has whenever he plays 90 mins. 

    I said at the time, selling the league’s top scorer to a promotion rival was an huge own goal and NJ’s first big error. 
    27 goals in 23 matches is nowhere near promotion form. 

  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,974
    Blucher said:
    Alfie May is a top striker at this level and his record over the last 4 seasons (3 of them for mediocre teams) is testament to that. Despite not playing that many minutes for Birmingham and some of them not in his best position, he’s still managed 10 goals (and the £12 million man Stanfield takes the penalties, I believe). 

    It’s all in the past now but I don’t think any Charlton supporter can honestly and credibly contend that we are a better side and squad with Ahadme and Godden in place of May. 
    Well it was obvious to the long time supporters, who have been there, seen it, over multiple seasons. Goals are the rarest and most precious commodity.

    How Jones can justify it, is beyond me. Ludicrous and he has condemned us to another season in this God forsaken league.

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  • AFKABartram
    AFKABartram Posts: 57,887
    edited January 5
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,448
    Of course May improves us, but we wouldn’t have gone up playing hoofball with May here instead of Godden and Ahadme either.
  • KingKinsella
    KingKinsella Posts: 1,324
    Scoham said:
    Of course May improves us, but we wouldn’t have gone up playing hoofball with May here instead of Godden and Ahadme either.
    NO!!! it was header tennis on Sat, hoof ball was  the last 3 months.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    edited January 5
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited January 5
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,400
    I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close. 

    Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo. 

    Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
  • Steven81
    Steven81 Posts: 1,022
    Chunes said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring. 
    Has four assists to go with his 10 goals in 23 games aswell not bad.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited January 5
    And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant. 

    Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,400
    edited January 6
    Chunes said:
    And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant. 

    Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified. 
    Not even being harsh, but anyone with that view was being absolutely ridiculous, and doesn't understand the concept of diamonds in the rough or, right players, wrong club. 

    There will be players playing 2 levels or even below that could do better than some of the players we have, and some of our players could be playing in better teams. That's football. Look at that Kone, probably one of the best strikers in this league and was playing 8th division or something silly last season? 

    We currently sit 11th, but have one of the best centre backs, rights backs and potentially, you could add strikers and a midfielder to that too. Flawed logic. 

    Beyond a terrible argument to say those 2 were part of a failing Charlton problem, when we would be in league2 without them. 

    They'd both walk into this team still, no questions asked and improve it. 

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,736
    Chunes said:
    And I don't mean to flog a dead horse, but back when we were letting both May and Dobbo go, there was this idea of it being alright because they were 'good players but in a poor team.' At the time, I didn't really know what that meant. 

    Now they're good players but in good teams. And playing integral roles at clubs that are about 20 points ahead of where we are. So it's even more difficult to understand how that reasoning was justified. 
    As I've said a few times since August.......

    Not only did we let our better players leave but we then replaced them with worse ones (in midfield & up front). 

    The only reason why we aren't in the bottom 6 is because of Mitchell & Jones (and to a lesser degree Ramsay? Edward's & Small). We have have been better defensively this season but to the detriment of our attack.


  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    Chunes said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring. 
    I did?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    edited January 6
    Glad you brought up Godden though. Some of the Godden slander I’ve read is bordering on criminal - although the poor bloke was always going to get it in the neck for being the Alfie replacement.

    He’s still averaging less than 200 minutes per goal scored though, so an effective 1 in 2 record. Not bad for someone “well beyond their best before date”…
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,404
    edited January 6
    Callumcafc said:
    Chunes said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring. 
    I did?
    You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,751
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    You did infer at one point that he only scored penalties, then at the start of this thread were talking like he was never going to make it off Birmingham's bench. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,152
    It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,530
    Braziliance said:
    I still miss him, best striker since Yann, only the snake comes close. 

    Him and Miles up top together, at their very best could play in the championship imo. 

    Massive blunder selling him, same as Yann was.
    Didn't sell him he out in a transfer request cause he wanted to move back north we had no option…. or have an unhappy player 


  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,530
    The Red Robin said:
    It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.
    But he handed in a transfer request he wanted to go the travelling was a non starter to be with his family 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,152
    RonnieMoore said:
    The Red Robin said:
    It was obvious the day we sold him. Stupid decision.
    But he handed in a transfer request he wanted to go the travelling was a non starter to be with his family 
    Course he did 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,831
    edited January 6
    Chunes said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Chunes said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    AFKABartram said:
    Chunes said:
    @Callumcafc I asked a knowledgeable Brum fan.


    Play him in his position he scores goals. Play him in an unsuited position out wide and he doesn’t. No sh*t.

    Have to wonder what all these analysts at clubs get paid for 
    Except for that period where we played him at 10 or on the right wing and he scored 10 goals in 9 games. He scores goals wherever he plays, just he does it in clumps.
    No one wants to hear it - it’s definitely because Birmingham played him out of position and he lost confidence. Not been a pattern throughout his last few seasons. No sir.

    NB: this post doesn’t mean I don’t think he isn’t a good goalscorer. Honestly I’ve lost track of what the disagreement was about by this point. I think it was me saying he scores goals in streaks and people took that to mean I thought he wasn’t very good?
    I think it's because you said Godden was better and that he'd outscore May. I don't think anyone is that bothered about him being streaky, it's not like he's the kind of player who contributes nothing when he's not scoring. 
    I did?
    You only said it in December. Have you had a change of heart?
    Oh, I’m assuming you’re referencing the post where I said “well I claim Godden is better … what happens now?”.

    I was just being an argumentative lil shit because I thought the poster I responded to was being dismissive of numbers and stats in favour of sentiment so I said Godden was better to make a point that usually numbers and figures help us come to objective conclusions when people have different viewpoints based on vibes.



    In reality, if I was offered one or the other in a vacuum: May does shade it given he’s done it consistently at this exact level for 3.5 years. But I think the gap between him and Godden is a lot smaller than some have suggested. Halfway through the season and Alfie’s on 10 and Godden’s on 5 - swap the teams they play for and I reckon you’d be looking at Godden on 8-9 and Alfie on 6-7.

    And if the equation was Godden + an additional £500k odd to spend on the squad then I understand why the club thought that tipped the scales.

    We can debate how that £500k was spent but that’s separate & secondary to the May argument.

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