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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham

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  • I catch up every now and again on this thread and all the keep him sell him too and fro stuff, and must say it is rather amusing in parts, now I can agree that IF Alf was with us, he might have scored a few goals, and could have set up some chances as well, this is obvious to everyone...
    But, he has gone, and I can't see the point of constantly debating the "if only" stuff any more, but as they say, each to their own I suppose...
    I'd rather concentrate on where Charlton are and our progress or not, rather than  Birmingham City's 2nd choice forward...
  • Would have been interesting to see how Dobson would have got on with Jones,don't think May was his favourite. 
  • doronron said:
    Would have been interesting to see how Dobson would have got on with Jones,don't think May was his favourite. 
    If you could design a player using AI to suit NJ’s style the result would be Dobson 
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  • AndyG said:
    doronron said:
    Would have been interesting to see how Dobson would have got on with Jones,don't think May was his favourite. 
    If you could design a player using AI to suit NJ’s style the result would be Dobson 

    Asking to recommend realistic signings based on the above profiles:

    From the list of midfielders - 3. Alan Campbell

    From the list of strikers - 8. Omar Bogle

    Your new husky and pug mix arrived What do you name it cant stop
  • You don't let your best players go, unless they want to leave.  I don't think Dobson or May wanted to go.
    It has/will probably cost us more to try and replace than give them a suitable pay rise.
    Or you replace them with better

    which hasn’t happened
  • Stig said:
    I don't understand why some people come across as so keen for others not to discuss Alfie May. Charlton Life has a smorgasbord of threads. If you don't like this one, you can graze on the next one. Had the club made an appropriate replacement for Alfie, this thread would have died a natural death. That never happened and so the thread lives on. It is living testimony to our collective disappointment at the club's lack of firepower.  
    Matt Godden might well score more goals than Alfie May does this season. He’s only one behind with fewer minutes played as it is.

    Happy to discuss Alfie May when he’s scoring and when he’s not. Some only want to talk when he’s scoring, in order to use it as a stick to beat the club with.
  • Chunes said:
    Stig said:
    I don't understand why some people come across as so keen for others not to discuss Alfie May. Charlton Life has a smorgasbord of threads. If you don't like this one, you can graze on the next one. Had the club made an appropriate replacement for Alfie, this thread would have died a natural death. That never happened and so the thread lives on. It is living testimony to our collective disappointment at the club's lack of firepower.  
    Matt Godden might well score more goals than Alfie May does this season. He’s only one behind with fewer minutes played as it is.

    Happy to discuss Alfie May when he’s scoring and when he’s not. Some only want to talk when he’s scoring, in order to use it as a stick to beat the club with.
    It doesn't really matter to me if he's scoring or not, I think most people judge the evidence with their own eyes, and while Godden appears to be a clever finisher and good player, at this age he's not got as much to his game as Alfie did. That's why Birmingham wanted Alfie and not Godden.
    It's just not that simple. May wanted to move further north, Godden wanted to move further south. It was clear May was available, it wasn't clear Godden was available. Taking May away weakens a L1 rival, Godden is coming from the Championship. I'm not saying Birmingham would have wanted Godden, but it's not a binary thing.
  • Chunes said:
    Stig said:
    I don't understand why some people come across as so keen for others not to discuss Alfie May. Charlton Life has a smorgasbord of threads. If you don't like this one, you can graze on the next one. Had the club made an appropriate replacement for Alfie, this thread would have died a natural death. That never happened and so the thread lives on. It is living testimony to our collective disappointment at the club's lack of firepower.  
    Matt Godden might well score more goals than Alfie May does this season. He’s only one behind with fewer minutes played as it is.

    Happy to discuss Alfie May when he’s scoring and when he’s not. Some only want to talk when he’s scoring, in order to use it as a stick to beat the club with.
    It doesn't really matter to me if he's scoring or not, I think most people judge the evidence with their own eyes, and while Godden appears to be a clever finisher and good player, at this age he's not got as much to his game as Alfie did. That's why Birmingham wanted Alfie and not Godden.
    I honestly don’t understand this statement. What has Alfie got to his game that Godden hasn’t? 

    Godden has consistently scored goals at Championship level something Alfie hasn’t done. Godden is a physically a handful for centre backs (something Alfie isn’t) and takes a penalty (as does Alfie).

    Alfie is probably quicker? Arguably that is the only thing he has on Godden but Godden is hardly a slouch.

    Alfie had a tendency to drift into wide positions though whereas I would argue Godden is an out and out striker! Something NJ clearly preferred.
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  • Alfie is a good player, if he were here we'd have more points as defensively we are better than last season and our finishing is worse. 

    Do I want him to come back? Not really. Would I take him back? Of course. 

    As for Grapevine's long post I scrolled most of it so could be wrong, but May wasn't the area of the pitch they needed to address. 
  • Scored tonight 
  • Scored tonight 
    To be fair I think everyone in the city of Birmingham scored against Fulham under 21’s tonight! 
  • Chunes said:
    fenaddick said:
    Chunes said:
    Stig said:
    I don't understand why some people come across as so keen for others not to discuss Alfie May. Charlton Life has a smorgasbord of threads. If you don't like this one, you can graze on the next one. Had the club made an appropriate replacement for Alfie, this thread would have died a natural death. That never happened and so the thread lives on. It is living testimony to our collective disappointment at the club's lack of firepower.  
    Matt Godden might well score more goals than Alfie May does this season. He’s only one behind with fewer minutes played as it is.

    Happy to discuss Alfie May when he’s scoring and when he’s not. Some only want to talk when he’s scoring, in order to use it as a stick to beat the club with.
    It doesn't really matter to me if he's scoring or not, I think most people judge the evidence with their own eyes, and while Godden appears to be a clever finisher and good player, at this age he's not got as much to his game as Alfie did. That's why Birmingham wanted Alfie and not Godden.
    It's just not that simple. May wanted to move further north, Godden wanted to move further south. It was clear May was available, it wasn't clear Godden was available. Taking May away weakens a L1 rival, Godden is coming from the Championship. I'm not saying Birmingham would have wanted Godden, but it's not a binary thing.
    I didn't mean to make it sound like a binary choice between the two, although re-reading my post I can see why it reads that way. 

    Do we think if Brum could go back in time and choose between the two, they would ever pick Godden? He's 33 and last season he scored 9 in 41. Meanwhile, Alfie was challenging Haaland last year and has been scoring for fun in this league for three seasons running.

    I can't summon the energy to get too revisionist with this stuff. I don't remember anyone doubting Alfie's ability while he was here. 
    Birmingham’s owner made a right cock up of things last season. He had to spend money and make a splash to keep the locals happy. Signing a league’s top goalscorer will help do that.

    Would Birmingham specifically take Godden over May? Probably not for the reasons I shared above. But I do think any other reasonable club would’ve done it our way.

    I do believe selling 31 year old Alfie May who’s never played in the Championship and spending half or less of that fee on a 32 (now 33) year old Matt Godden who’s made 100+ Championship appearances and scored 30+ Championship goals is smart business. Especially if Godden ends up beating him in the goalscoring charts this season which is entirely possible.
  • I seriously struggle to understand how anyone can  watch the past 13 games and believe Matt Godden is at the same level as Alfie May - and I really like Godden. 

    Alfie May could score any type of goal from anywhere on the pitch, not only that, but was quite the talisman for us last season. Selling him seemed stupid at the time, it seems stupid now, and I think it will seem stupid at the end of the season. 

    Hopefully this whole debate becomes increasingly moot as the season progresses and we somehow claw our way up to the Championship. 
  • I am sorry I can only read so much of this endless nonsense before I have to respond.

    Since when is any successful club, squad, team ever defined by one player? Yet there are those so myopic we once again have to revisit one player who while performing well last year still represented a team delivering our worst league position in living memory.

    if there was ever a demand for a major restructure it was this close season. Just in case you hadn’t noticed the club has been selling key players to fund restructures since the 1960s. This is news? Where have you been for 65 years? 75% of the entire industry relies on the same business model. 

    The Powell/ Chapple/ Varney rebuild came on the back of the Jenkinson sale.

    The inability of some to put themselves in other people’s shoes is extraordinary. If you were a key player, aged 31, with a year on your contract, after last season and 2 Managerial changes your agent is going to be open to any opportunity that presents. May is an excellent pro and deserves whatever comes his way.

    You may remember the first formal approach for May came from Huddersfield managed by Mays’ Manager at Cheltenham. You don’t think Duffy knows Alfie’s agent?

    A good pay rise, a recent Championship club, a relocation to Barnsley offering a 30 min commute to Huddersfield and 30 min drive to family in Doncaster*. You want to explain to the wifes’ family why your not pursuing this opportunity? But then surprise, surprise, money talks and Birmingham gazump the Huddersfield offer to finally secure a deal with us, allegedly doubling the pay offer to May with a 3yr contract.

    No club propaganda - this is Huddersfield talking

    *NB Cost of living comparisons Doncaster/ London positons Doncaster as 35% lower. Birmingham is 25% lower. Believe me it matters.

    Had we even matched the offer we certainly ain’t relocating anywhere near Doncaster. 

    Now you management gurus your telling me you want to stand in the way of a 31yr old player, after a journeyman career, with a £1.5 - 1.8 mn contract on the table and the almost perfect roadmap for the last 5-7years of his playing career. You don’t think half their local clubs would take him for a final hooray after Birmingham?

    This is how you manage players? Have you operated in a clubhouse? Ever? With these numbers the debate over the football, no matter the manager or style of play, could not be rendered more meaningless. Remember despite his goal scoring record over 3 seasons no Championship club came calling when we signed him or at this time.

    The Birmingham offer, for him, was a unique opportunity to best suit his financial & domestic interests. He took it. I wish him well. There are times to do right by the player and move on. It helps when you also treble your initial outlay.


    I am sorry I can only read so much of this endless nonsense before I have to shoot myse...
    RIP
  • Grapevine = biggest believer in his own hype. Long rambling post does not always equal sense i'm afraid. All this "i didn't want to have to post but" stuff is so condescending. 
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