I just don't get this line on here, that Godden is rubbish, he's played in the Championship a lot, scored at a higher level last year, and still has it to play in League 1, where he's scored plenty.
Yes May was great, but had to be as we just didn't score enough from elsewhere on the pitch
I'm starting to wonder if signing Godden adds up. I thought Jones wanted bigger, more athletic strikers than May? Godden is the same height as Alfie.
Some sites have him as 5’7 some have him as 5’11 if someone knows a cov fan can they ask. Always thought he was bigger than 5’7 so not the same height as May.
I’ve met him, I’m about 6ft3 and I would have Godden at about 5ft9
it’s all well & good the club saying we’re being ‘bold’ in the transfer market and making offers for in demand players with other options I.e. JCH, Aaron Collins, Adam Davies etc
….but if you don’t actually have the wage budget & ability to sign any of them then it’s just bollox & time wasted.
So we should go after the shit players no won else wants. Good plan.
We should go for realistic signings that are good enough to get us out of this league rather than aiming for Aaron Collins type players (that can “play in the championship”) but are never ever going to sign for a shit show like Charlton than just had their lowest finish for 98 yrs.
Players like Dan Kemp & Elliott Ward would have been ideal & improved us this summer but have signed for Stevenage & Burton instead. We’re missing out on the good realistic options out there whilst we keep aiming too high & ending up with no-one (hence why we’ve only signed two first team starters & are miles behind on our hopes / plans for this summer)
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
Goalkeeper number 4 is important but can we also focus on a fit striker to play alongside Kanu please.
Knowing we need at least 2 more and nobody appears close.
Jones said 6 more. We've just lost the best goalscorer in League One.
Does this club not learn?
Midfield and defence needs to be our focus to be honest.. Kanu won't be first choice..
Godden sounds like it is as good as done.
Like Davies was? Nothing is done, until it's done.
Replacing May with Godden to me just says it was never about May not fitting the style, Godden is a very similar player, this is about budget.
Jones thinks we need a bigger budget so has decided to sell May and replace with Godden. If our budget was better, we’d still have May
Probably a few things in addition to budget though.
Him and May not getting on May wanting to be centre forward but Jones wanting him to play wider May's wife wanting to move back north May doubling his wages
I can’t see how people are saying ‘it’s good business’ to sell the league’s best striker and to a rival club in the same league. That’s bad business particularly as it doesn’t appear to be about May’s stature as we’re signing another bloke who is the same height and build.
Watched some clips on godden the other day, his all round game is far better than May's. He's a bit taller than may (5ft9/10) and scores quite a few headers in his clips. Runs all day and is also a local lad. On the surface it looks good business to me if we can bring in him and a younger striker with the may money.
In what way is his all round game far better than May’s? (genuinely asking, I don’t know much about him).
May plays like a lone wolf so maybe Godden is better to play with in a pair and probably better helping the youngsters in Leaburn & Kanu. Could really improve the forward play with his experience and nous so maybe that overall is better. Be interesting to watch this next season
Other thing with Godden is that he is a Charlton fan who has also scored in a win vs Millwall...
I think someone who knows Godden's in-laws has previously confirmed that he's not a Charlton fan, I've heard it before but not sure where it's come from, maybe the fact he's from Kent
I can’t see how people are saying ‘it’s good business’ to sell the league’s best striker and to a rival club in the same league. That’s bad business particularly as it doesn’t appear to be about May’s stature as we’re signing another bloke who is the same height and build.
He’s definitely looks bigger than May and scores headers. But it’s who else we strengthen around him with the money which will count .
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
Goalkeeper number 4 is important but can we also focus on a fit striker to play alongside Kanu please.
Knowing we need at least 2 more and nobody appears close.
Jones said 6 more. We've just lost the best goalscorer in League One.
Does this club not learn?
Repeat again the decision on May was 100% down to Jones .. so the club has learnt and allows the manager to decide who stays and who goes
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
The thing I think Jones would prefer in Godden over May is that Godden is more of a "professional" inasmuch as May was something of a late bloomer. Godden is more likely to be the type to play in a system and do a job for the team where May could be seen as more maverick and less disciplined, which to Jones is probably something of an issue.
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this logic and arguably May's nature is what makes him effective - plus you have questions of pace/fitness/age etc with Godden. But I would say that the Godden signing seems to fit with Jones' MO - whether that ends up working or not.
Plus we still need one more striker and did even before May goes.
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
So see out his contract and we get nothing next season or cash In for 1m and reinvest in the squad. No brainer
Watched some clips on godden the other day, his all round game is far better than May's. He's a bit taller than may (5ft9/10) and scores quite a few headers in his clips. Runs all day and is also a local lad. On the surface it looks good business to me if we can bring in him and a younger striker with the may money.
In what way is his all round game far better than May’s? (genuinely asking, I don’t know much about him).
He seems to have more of a physical side to his game, holding up the ball and challenging defenders for headers
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
So see out his contract and we get nothing next season or cash In for 1m and reinvest in the squad. No brainer
Playing devils advocate here, May had a 1 year option so technically 2 years left on his deal.
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
So see out his contract and we get nothing next season or cash In for 1m and reinvest in the squad. No brainer
The club also had a one year option after the 2 years was up
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
So see out his contract and we get nothing next season or cash In for 1m and reinvest in the squad. No brainer
Interesting. Where did you stand with Dobson in Jan? Should we have sold him before he ran out his contract and we got nothing? What about Leaburn and Small now? By your logic, they are no brainers to sell I imagine.
loved May and not a bad word to say about him. But why has no1 in the champ not taken a punt on him? If he wants to go and his head is turned let him go. If Godden comes in then he’s proven at a higher level, May isn’t. Goals wernt a problem last year shipping them in at the other end was. Let’s wait and see how the squad looks on day 1 of the season.
May is gone, the important thing is what happens now. We need someone through the door to lift the squad and the fans, that isn't Godden.
We've swapped Alfie May for Godden
I don't understand
Godden doesn't fit the profile of striker Jones wants (allegedly) @DubaiCAFC ? Care to explain?
If it isn't about money why Godden when May has 20+ goals 3 seasons running?!
Issue is, agent of May was making other clubs aware that May wasn't happy at Charlton for whatever reason.. May doesn't like Jones style, and wanted to leave.. Jones couldn't and wouldn't guarantee he would be week in week out start. Charlton are getting a good deal, May is getting an even better deal, just feels like it is a good deal for all.
Godden in my opinion is a good replacement for May, similar type of player and done the goods at a higher-level and is happy to fight for his place.
As Ben said in his baking cake statement, let's see where we are at the end of the window.. You have to remember, every single club is battling for players, some will come and some won't that is football for you.. But for me, the profile of players we have signed so far is what we need to be doing, they are a good age, points to prove.
From what I was told from a trustworthy source, May was fine to stay and see out his contract at a minimum, and it was Jones decision for him to leave.
It would then be the agents job to ask around at who would like to sign his newly available player. You make it sound like the agent made first move, that is not what I was told.
The story pushed by the club will be that May wanted to leave and it was his agent. We all know that isn’t true just based off last season we can see this was from Jones
Alfie has the chance at 31 to get one more big contract and fair play to him for doing that and setting up his family - remember how late he came into the pro game from non league and even playing at Hythe in the Kent League ! Godden will be a great signing but dont compare with Alfie- they are different players - if we get a 15 and a 10 goal scoring strike partnership thats alfies goals covered - more goals from midfield this year plus more Clean sheets then its all positve all over the pitch.
Last year Alfies goals kept us up because our defence was leaky - Mitchell and a new keeper and better wing backs in Ramsey and Small will solve that as well as no Hector or Thomas as they had an error every game.
What if Alfie was with us this season and picked up a 6 mnth injury in Sept - then we would have been stuck as reliant on one player again - this was NJ is sharing out the responsibility as a team and not just through one channel.
Personally dont see it as a bad thing, and with NJ i trust him to know how to get a TEAM promoted and not individuals.
It was clear that Davies wasn't happening after a little bit to be honest. After it went deathly quiet and we were told he was considering other options I reckon Jones would have soured on him anyway. He's said he only wants players who want to play for Charlton and Davies obviously wasn't too bothered about coming down. He's done quite well to leverage our interest into a new contract at a team who have just been relegated from the Premier League, he'll get more money than we would offer just to sit on his arse and good luck to him. We've obviously been aiming high with our keepers so far, Ruddy has gone to a PL team, so at the moment we're suffering the struggle you can get with experienced keepers where they're great for keeping the ball out of your net in the Football League but they're also very popular with higher level teams who would never actually have them as their keeper but will happily pay them tens of thousands a week just to warm up the number 1 in training. The good thing is we moved quickly to get in a keeper that isn't AMB or Isted so we can afford to take our time getting in an experienced player who wants to go onto a football pitch to do something other than hand the actual keeper his water bottle at half time. Will be interesting to see who we target if and when the free player options we rate disappear.
if this squad wins promotion given we have signed 4 players where 2 are squad players, then jones is a fucking tactical genius and the best manager ever. As this group of players were lacking in multiple areas last season and personally I don't see how we've gone anywhere but backwards in terms of strength in depth by losing Dobo and May so far. I'd love to be proved wrong and for us to have a fantastic window, I just don't see it.
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Yes May was great, but had to be as we just didn't score enough from elsewhere on the pitch
Players like Dan Kemp & Elliott Ward would have been ideal & improved us this summer but have signed for Stevenage & Burton instead. We’re missing out on the good realistic options out there whilst we keep aiming too high & ending up with no-one (hence why we’ve only signed two first team starters & are miles behind on our hopes / plans for this summer)
Fox in the box , makes very good runs to find space and can score with his head too.
Him and May not getting on
May wanting to be centre forward but Jones wanting him to play wider
May's wife wanting to move back north
May doubling his wages
All speculation of course.
That’s bad business particularly as it doesn’t appear to be about May’s stature as we’re signing another bloke who is the same height and build.
I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this logic and arguably May's nature is what makes him effective - plus you have questions of pace/fitness/age etc with Godden. But I would say that the Godden signing seems to fit with Jones' MO - whether that ends up working or not.
Plus we still need one more striker and did even before May goes.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/done-deal-alfie-may-addick
Interesting. Where did you stand with Dobson in Jan? Should we have sold him before he ran out his contract and we got nothing?
What about Leaburn and Small now? By your logic, they are no brainers to sell I imagine.
Godden will be a great signing but dont compare with Alfie- they are different players - if we get a 15 and a 10 goal scoring strike partnership thats alfies goals covered - more goals from midfield this year plus more Clean sheets then its all positve all over the pitch.
Last year Alfies goals kept us up because our defence was leaky - Mitchell and a new keeper and better wing backs in Ramsey and Small will solve that as well as no Hector or Thomas as they had an error every game.
What if Alfie was with us this season and picked up a 6 mnth injury in Sept - then we would have been stuck as reliant on one player again - this was NJ is sharing out the responsibility as a team and not just through one channel.
Personally dont see it as a bad thing, and with NJ i trust him to know how to get a TEAM promoted and not individuals.