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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,331
    Masood can't be skipper next game. He just can't 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,171
    Make that 41/4!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Well we've certainly seen the two sides of Pakistan's batting in this Test. WTF was that shot? 

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    Pakistan have an awful recent record in the 3rd innings...
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited October 2024
    41/4  Brydon Carse 1st ball and Duckett takes a smart catch.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Pakistan's coach, Jason Gillespie, looks somewhat dizzy with incredulity at that! 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,862
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,956
    MrOneLung said:
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
    595 is the highest first innings score in a Test to lose, Bangladesh v New Zealand, but it wasn't an innings defeat.

    Wait for Zalzman on TMS on the innings defeat one!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    North Lower Neil said:
    MrOneLung said:
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
    595 is the highest first innings score in a Test to lose, Bangladesh v New Zealand, but it wasn't an innings defeat.

    Wait for Zalzman on TMS on the innings defeat one!
    Zalzman's laptop is currently on a drip in the local hospital  :D
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,956
    Just looked it up, this would be the highest in Tests - it would be the joint 3rd highest first innings score to then go on to lose, and none of the other 3 were by an innings.
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  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,956
    But I don't know what the biggest score until now was!
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,171
    Great bowling from Carse
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    59/5 and Brydon Carse strikes again.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Many of England's top runs scorers have enjoyed their own personal records against India or Pakistan but most of those weren't, as one might think, set in the Indian subcontinent. In fact, the roads at the The Oval and Lord's feature rather a lot. Individual top scores against any Test opposition:

    Graham Gooch v India (333) at Lord's
    Harry Brook v Pakistan (317) at Multan
    Dennis Compton v Pakistan (278) at Nottingham 
    Zak Crawley v Pakistan (267) at Southampton
    Alastair Cook v Pakistan (263) at Abu Dhabi
    Joe Root v Pakistan (262) at Multan
    Ian Bell v India (235) at The Oval
    Wally Hammond v India (217) at The Oval
    David Lloyd v India (214*) at The Oval
    Ian Botham v India (208) at The Oval
    Mike Gatting v India (207) at Chennai
    Michael Vaughan v India (197) at Nottingham
    Alec Stewart v Pakistan (190) at Birmingham
    Dennis Amiss v India (188) at Lord's
    Paul Collingwood v Pakistan (187) at Lord's
    Jonathan Trott v Pakistan (184) at Lord's
    Colin Cowdrey v Pakistan (182) at The Oval

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,874
    soapboxsam said:
    59/5 and Brydon Carse strikes again.
    Pakistan to be docked Test Championship points for producing a pitch offering too much help to the bowlers  ;)
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    killerandflash said:
    soapboxsam said:
    59/5 and Brydon Carse strikes again.
    Pakistan to be docked Test Championship points for producing a pitch offering too much help to the bowlers  ;)
    Bizarrely, this has, whether it is a combination of the cracks in the wicket or inept batting, become a proper "Test" match with a result on the fifth day in all probability. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Leach showing why he is still England's number one spinner. Good take from Smith too.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    edited October 2024
    Addick Addict said:
    Leach showing why he is still England's number one spinner. Good take from Smith too.

    Good for Leech after his injury forced him to miss matches but if Jack had taken the wicket with his 1st ball and not his 2nd ball that would've been a hat trick of 1st ball wickets after Wokes and Carse.
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    MrOneLung said:
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
    492 by Ireland v Sri Lanka.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    With the next Test starting on Tuesday, Stone leaving the party, there will be at least a couple of bodies and minds in the bowling department that won't be 100% come next Tuesday. Much will depend on whether Stokes can return and bowl too because, if he can't, then we either have to drop a batsman or go in with just four bowlers (meaning dropping a spinner because I can't see us playing just two quicks on that track). For those reasons, I don't see how Stokes goes back into the side if he isn't fit enough to turn his arm over in a meaningful way?   
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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,683
    Another poor wicket prepared for this Test.
    Should all be over in 4 day's. 
    Oh for a good batting wicket. 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,357
    Pakistan's 2nd innings collapse was predicted by a lot of pundits even before their battering by the Yorkshire Tykes .. all sorts of records set by England, there should be a 'handicap' method of measuring records according to the pitch, opposition etc .. all in all I am enjoying this test, but hope that Pakistan can make a better fist of things during the rest of the series
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    LawrieAbrahams said:
    MrOneLung said:
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
    492 by Ireland v Sri Lanka.

    That was only last year in April 2023.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    152-6 (37) at close and 115 runs still behind
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,231
    blackpool72 said:
    Another poor wicket prepared for this Test.
    Should all be over in 4 day's. 
    Oh for a good batting wicket. 

    1531 runs over 4 days on a minefield of a pitch 🤥
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,641
    MrOneLung said:
    What is the highest first innings score, to go on and then lose by an innings ?
    No team has scored over 500 in their 1st innings and then gone on to lose by an innings. 

    Also the previous total (as shown in an earlier post) of 492 was by Ireland. So a recent Test playing nation & not a longstanding one like Pakistan. 

    Anyway, I now expect Pakistan to get a (small) lead & make us bat again.  But would love to win by an innings & own a record that probably wont ever be  beaten. 
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,818
    No way are we batting again in this game 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Won't be long before the spinners will be on because the ball is back to doing next to nothing in the first 20 minutes or so
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,807
    Given how desperate the people of Pakistan were to have a return to hosting Home Tests, the record of the players has been abysmal - since 2022 and after this game it will be: Played 11, Won 0, Drawn 4, Lost 7. Away from home it hasn't been anywhere near as bad: Played 7, Won 3, Drawn 0, Lost 4. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,683
    At last.
    Leach strikes to break a very good partnership 

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