There was talk albeit from Nixon that Birmingham wanted to get Jutkewicz off their wage bill because he was a high earner. I still fully expect it to be Cosgrove barring any last minute surprises.
There is no need to worry about whether Cosgrove is any good, or JCH is a dickhead or if Nombe is worth £750k. If we sign a striker, it will be a loan and nobody we have heard of.
There is no need to worry about whether Cosgrove is any good, or JCH is a dickhead or if Nombe is worth £750k. If we sign a striker, it will be a loan and nobody we have heard of.
There is no need to worry about whether Cosgrove is any good, or JCH is a dickhead or if Nombe is worth £750k. If we sign a striker, it will be a loan and nobody we have heard of.
I think Cosgrove would do a job, which could be all we need as we do have Leaburn and May which if they stay fit is easily enough goals if Cosgrove can contribute like he did for Plymouth.
If it is a striker from Birmingham I would much rather it be Jutkiewicz. Even at 34 he’d do well at this level and help us in both boxes
Fed up of players who might "do a job", it leads to mid table mediocrity every time.
I want players who are quality for us.
Not convinced on Cosgrove, scoring record in England is poor.
Had a look through forums of previous clubs - Plymouth one suggested he was good when he came on v tired defences for 20 mins, bad when he started.
Aberdeen, where he actually scored a few, weren't impressed. Two quotes:
'Regardless of how many goals he scored for us he was honestly fucking shite'
'Jayden Stockley was a better player and he was shite.'
Shrewsbury after his time there had people calling him second rate.
Birmingham comments weren't great (admittedly a league up), and they suggest he's been injured most of the summer.
Hopefully proven wrong and it works for him here if he arrives, but it's not a signing that I'm excited about at all, feels like the cheap option again rather than the good option.
We haven't signed him yet and I'd imagine if we do he will come on for miles (when fit) in the last 20 mins, where he has been effective in the past. I genuinely think we just need someone to win the ball upfront and to occupy a CB to make space for may. Do that and chip in with the odd goal and he's done his job in my eyes.
There was talk albeit from Nixon that Birmingham wanted to get Jutkewicz off their wage bill because he was a high earner. I still fully expect it to be Cosgrove barring any last minute surprises.
There were no rumours about Campbell so I’m not ruling out it being someone unexpected.
Cosgrove sounds similar to Stockley so I’m not convinced he’s our current first choice target.
There was talk albeit from Nixon that Birmingham wanted to get Jutkewicz off their wage bill because he was a high earner. I still fully expect it to be Cosgrove barring any last minute surprises.
There were no rumours about Campbell so I’m not ruling out it being someone unexpected.
Cosgrove sounds similar to Stockley so I’m not convinced he’s our current first choice target.
Honestly I'd like it to be that way. Campbell was completely out of nowhere in a good way!
Personally Cosgrove feels more like a deadline day squad player signing you make at 9pm as opposed someone you sign now.
We haven't signed him yet and I'd imagine if we do he will come on for miles (when fit) in the last 20 mins, where he has been effective in the past. I genuinely think we just need someone to win the ball upfront and to occupy a CB to make space for may. Do that and chip in with the odd goal and he's done his job in my eyes.
Agree but as @North Lower Neil says, some of the comments on the Birmingham forums are scathing. And they reckon he’s been injured.
I think Cosgrove would do a job, which could be all we need as we do have Leaburn and May which if they stay fit is easily enough goals if Cosgrove can contribute like he did for Plymouth.
If it is a striker from Birmingham I would much rather it be Jutkiewicz. Even at 34 he’d do well at this level and help us in both boxes
Fed up of players who might "do a job", it leads to mid table mediocrity every time.
I want players who are quality for us.
Not convinced on Cosgrove, scoring record in England is poor.
Had a look through forums of previous clubs - Plymouth one suggested he was good when he came on v tired defences for 20 mins, bad when he started.
Aberdeen, where he actually scored a few, weren't impressed. Two quotes:
'Regardless of how many goals he scored for us he was honestly fucking shite'
'Jayden Stockley was a better player and he was shite.'
Shrewsbury after his time there had people calling him second rate.
Birmingham comments weren't great (admittedly a league up), and they suggest he's been injured most of the summer.
Hopefully proven wrong and it works for him here if he arrives, but it's not a signing that I'm excited about at all, feels like the cheap option again rather than the good option.
I understand your point, but we won the play off final with Josh Parker up front who did little more than "a job".
That said by all means Cosgrove doesn't sound like the answer at the minute.
I'm actually not too bothered if a new striker doesn't score many, provided he enables the rest of the team. I think we'll look a completely different team with a proper striker alongside may - 1) the long balls might actually be effective 2) it won't come back so quickly and hopefully concede fewer!
There is no need to worry about whether Cosgrove is any good, or JCH is a dickhead or if Nombe is worth £750k. If we sign a striker, it will be a loan and nobody we have heard of.
People are very harsh on Cosgrove but I don't know if people have looked into his contributions beyond his goal record. I think there's a general negativity towards big lump type strikers even when they're effective, people want mobile goalscorers. What we need is players who can work together though and May needs a player who can help the ball stick up top before it gets to him. We've got a 20 goal striker in the line-up, we need someone to chip in with a few himself and provide for May. Leaburn will do that when he's fit but we need an alternative too as we've seen. Cosgrove had a really good season for Plymouth. 8 goals and 2 assists in 1,307 minutes, which is a goal every 163 minutes. A goal every 1.8 full games, that's pretty good for a player primarily used for impact or as a rotation option. Plymouth brought him on a lot, he started 13 games of 33, scoring in 3 of those starts and getting both assists in 2 of them. His contributions when he came on were generally game-changing, including getting 2 goals against Derby despite only being on for 15 minutes. His goals were the odd goal in 4 games, 5 if you count the one where he got a goal and an assist in a 3-1 win. For a player who was mostly used to come on and change games he actually had a very effective season and contributed to a team that ran away with the L1 title. He might look like a galoot and not get pulses racing but we need a rotation option for Leaburn who seems to be quite injury prone and I think bringing in the bloke who did that job effectively for the league champions wouldn't be the daftest move going to be honest.
I’m wondering how bad Cosgrove can be if there’s competition in this league for his signature? Then again, if the clubs he played for don’t rate him, even Plymouth who he helped to promotion, then that doesn’t bode well.
On a side note, if Leaburn is to be our number 1 partner for May then I can see why Cosgrove might do as backup.
I'd say central midfield, on paper (I know I know) is where we stand up to every other team in the league. Dobson, Taylor, Camara, Fraser is a quartet any team would love to have, and to top it off we have the emergence of Anderson.
On paper maybe but three of them aren’t fully fit . Fraser I believe is good against weaker sides and goes missing against anyone competitive , Taylor seemingly is one of the modern players who takes an age to get fit . Camara is evidently quality but can’t play every game . At this stage , I can’t commit to whether this midfield takes you up. Dobson is the only banker .
Not convinced either. Fraser looked very good in the pre seasons, but that just backs up what you’re saying. I think most of us, including me, tend to underestimate opposition players a little bit.
Hopefully Camara will end up being able to play every game, and let’s hope Taylor progresses well as he finds his fitness. Anderson will hopefully go from strength to strength over the next two or three years as well.
I think Cosgrove would do a job, which could be all we need as we do have Leaburn and May which if they stay fit is easily enough goals if Cosgrove can contribute like he did for Plymouth.
If it is a striker from Birmingham I would much rather it be Jutkiewicz. Even at 34 he’d do well at this level and help us in both boxes
Fed up of players who might "do a job", it leads to mid table mediocrity every time.
I want players who are quality for us.
Not convinced on Cosgrove, scoring record in England is poor.
Had a look through forums of previous clubs - Plymouth one suggested he was good when he came on v tired defences for 20 mins, bad when he started.
Aberdeen, where he actually scored a few, weren't impressed. Two quotes:
'Regardless of how many goals he scored for us he was honestly fucking shite'
'Jayden Stockley was a better player and he was shite.'
Shrewsbury after his time there had people calling him second rate.
Birmingham comments weren't great (admittedly a league up), and they suggest he's been injured most of the summer.
Hopefully proven wrong and it works for him here if he arrives, but it's not a signing that I'm excited about at all, feels like the cheap option again rather than the good option.
I understand your point, but we won the play off final with Josh Parker up front who did little more than "a job".
That said by all means Cosgrove doesn't sound like the answer at the minute.
Think we could get away with Josh Parker because we had Lyle Taylor.
And arguably, if we had somebody better than Parker, we might not have had to go through the lottery of the play-offs.
People are very harsh on Cosgrove but I don't know if people have looked into his contributions beyond his goal record. I think there's a general negativity towards big lump type strikers even when they're effective, people want mobile goalscorers. What we need is players who can work together though and May needs a player who can help the ball stick up top before it gets to him. We've got a 20 goal striker in the line-up, we need someone to chip in with a few himself and provide for May. Leaburn will do that when he's fit but we need an alternative too as we've seen. Cosgrove had a really good season for Plymouth. 8 goals and 2 assists in 1,307 minutes, which is a goal every 163 minutes. A goal every 1.8 full games, that's pretty good for a player primarily used for impact or as a rotation option. Plymouth brought him on a lot, he started 13 games of 33, scoring in 3 of those starts and getting both assists in 2 of them. His contributions when he came on were generally game-changing, including getting 2 goals against Derby despite only being on for 15 minutes. His goals were the odd goal in 4 games, 5 if you count the one where he got a goal and an assist in a 3-1 win. For a player who was mostly used to come on and change games he actually had a very effective season and contributed to a team that ran away with the L1 title. He might look like a galoot and not get pulses racing but we need a rotation option for Leaburn who seems to be quite injury prone and I think bringing in the bloke who did that job effectively for the league champions wouldn't be the daftest move going to be honest.
I get that, just concerned he’s one of those average players lifted by playing in a very good Plymouth team. I think we can potentially find better with a young Prem loanee - it’s more of a gamble but if it works you can end up with a player who by the end of the season is too good for L1. With this squad I don’t think we’ll get promoted if our last few signings are players who “can do a job”.
'We need another striker to rotate with Leaburn. Someone to hold up the ball, show a bit of strength in the final third and make an impact coming off the bench while supporting our main goalscoring striker'
'Oh, should we sign the bloke who did exactly that for the L1 title winners last season playing in a three at the back formation like we're trying to do?'
'Nope sorry, he's tall so legally he's now Jayden Stockley. Got any others?'
People are very harsh on Cosgrove but I don't know if people have looked into his contributions beyond his goal record. I think there's a general negativity towards big lump type strikers even when they're effective, people want mobile goalscorers. What we need is players who can work together though and May needs a player who can help the ball stick up top before it gets to him. We've got a 20 goal striker in the line-up, we need someone to chip in with a few himself and provide for May. Leaburn will do that when he's fit but we need an alternative too as we've seen. Cosgrove had a really good season for Plymouth. 8 goals and 2 assists in 1,307 minutes, which is a goal every 163 minutes. A goal every 1.8 full games, that's pretty good for a player primarily used for impact or as a rotation option. Plymouth brought him on a lot, he started 13 games of 33, scoring in 3 of those starts and getting both assists in 2 of them. His contributions when he came on were generally game-changing, including getting 2 goals against Derby despite only being on for 15 minutes. His goals were the odd goal in 4 games, 5 if you count the one where he got a goal and an assist in a 3-1 win. For a player who was mostly used to come on and change games he actually had a very effective season and contributed to a team that ran away with the L1 title. He might look like a galoot and not get pulses racing but we need a rotation option for Leaburn who seems to be quite injury prone and I think bringing in the bloke who did that job effectively for the league champions wouldn't be the daftest move going to be honest.
I get that, just concerned he’s one of those average players lifted by playing in a very good Plymouth team. I think we can potentially find better with a young Prem loanee - it’s more of a gamble but if it works you can end up with a player who by the end of the season is too good for L1. With this squad I don’t think we’ll get promoted if our last few signings are players who “can do a job”.
It is difficult to find a quality prem loanee with the physical attributes we are probably looking for from this striker signing
People are very harsh on Cosgrove but I don't know if people have looked into his contributions beyond his goal record. I think there's a general negativity towards big lump type strikers even when they're effective, people want mobile goalscorers. What we need is players who can work together though and May needs a player who can help the ball stick up top before it gets to him. We've got a 20 goal striker in the line-up, we need someone to chip in with a few himself and provide for May. Leaburn will do that when he's fit but we need an alternative too as we've seen. Cosgrove had a really good season for Plymouth. 8 goals and 2 assists in 1,307 minutes, which is a goal every 163 minutes. A goal every 1.8 full games, that's pretty good for a player primarily used for impact or as a rotation option. Plymouth brought him on a lot, he started 13 games of 33, scoring in 3 of those starts and getting both assists in 2 of them. His contributions when he came on were generally game-changing, including getting 2 goals against Derby despite only being on for 15 minutes. His goals were the odd goal in 4 games, 5 if you count the one where he got a goal and an assist in a 3-1 win. For a player who was mostly used to come on and change games he actually had a very effective season and contributed to a team that ran away with the L1 title. He might look like a galoot and not get pulses racing but we need a rotation option for Leaburn who seems to be quite injury prone and I think bringing in the bloke who did that job effectively for the league champions wouldn't be the daftest move going to be honest.
I get that, just concerned he’s one of those average players lifted by playing in a very good Plymouth team. I think we can potentially find better with a young Prem loanee - it’s more of a gamble but if it works you can end up with a player who by the end of the season is too good for L1. With this squad I don’t think we’ll get promoted if our last few signings are players who “can do a job”.
The thing with that though is I think Cosgrove is a cog in that very good team rather than a passenger. Honestly, look at that Plymouth team that absolutely romped to the title and tell me which of those players any of us thought were title winners in August 2022. Ryan Hardie was an average journeyman who had had his first ever 10+ goal season the year before. Morgan Whittaker hadn't cut it at Championship level and looked ok for Lincoln the season before. Bali Mumba didn't do enough in the Championshi for Peterborough so his next loan was a league down, Finn Azaz had a couple of L2 loan seasons, Nial Ennis had scored 10 goals in 2 seasons previously. None of their defenders were really ones you'd look at as top L1 players. But everything came together, everyone was the right piece in the puzzle to get the job done and Cosgrove who was their 4th highest scorer last season I think was part of that rather than a player lifted by the genius around him. I don't think that Dan Scarr whose record looks a lot like O'Connell's is so incredibly good he lifted Cosgrove above his level. At least I hope not. What they were was the right players in the right roles for the right team. We need a physical presence up front who can hold up the ball and allow May to cause damage further up the pitch rather than having to chase, come deep and run off the ball away from goal constantly. We don't need Cosgrove to be the second coming of Yann, we need him to complement the style we're trying to implement, and on the face of it that's what he did at Plymouth in a similar role last season. And it worked. Maybe he's terrible and we won't get him anyway, but honestly I think I'd rather have a few players who aren't the absolute best in the league but actually fit the system than a team of Charlie Kirks who individually have the right stats but don't fit into anything like the system we're trying to play. The real pressure is on putting together that coherent system, without that we're not getting anywhere
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I want players who are quality for us.
Not convinced on Cosgrove, scoring record in England is poor.
Had a look through forums of previous clubs - Plymouth one suggested he was good when he came on v tired defences for 20 mins, bad when he started.
Aberdeen, where he actually scored a few, weren't impressed. Two quotes:
'Regardless of how many goals he scored for us he was honestly fucking shite'
'Jayden Stockley was a better player and he was shite.'
Shrewsbury after his time there had people calling him second rate.
Birmingham comments weren't great (admittedly a league up), and they suggest he's been injured most of the summer.
Hopefully proven wrong and it works for him here if he arrives, but it's not a signing that I'm excited about at all, feels like the cheap option again rather than the good option.
Cosgrove sounds similar to Stockley so I’m not convinced he’s our current first choice target.
Honestly I'd like it to be that way. Campbell was completely out of nowhere in a good way!
Personally Cosgrove feels more like a deadline day squad player signing you make at 9pm as opposed someone you sign now.
That said by all means Cosgrove doesn't sound like the answer at the minute.
I think most of us, including me, tend to underestimate opposition players a little bit.
And arguably, if we had somebody better than Parker, we might not have had to go through the lottery of the play-offs.
In comparison that's only 6 more than Albie Morgan from the same number of games.
They may even loan Burstow out to a lower prem club?
It wouldn't be super exciting as signings go but it makes sense to me.