To the Millwall fans on here, do you actually want to see Millwall in the premier league? Effectively, everything you think your clubs stands for will be ripped apart. £45+ tickets to see the top 6 clubs, tourist fans flocking to the den etc.
The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
To the Millwall fans on here, do you actually want to see Millwall in the premier league? Effectively, everything you think your clubs stands for will be ripped apart. £45+ tickets to see the top 6 clubs, tourist fans flogging to the den etc.
The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
Yes. Only for the one season, though. Go up, keep the squad we have, no expensive signings, get spanked every week (matron!!!), finish bottom with the lowest points total ever seen and come down with future financial payments to put the club on a better financial footing long term.
Either way we'll keep our identity and won't be paying £45 for a ticket any time soon.
To the Millwall fans on here, do you actually want to see Millwall in the premier league? Effectively, everything you think your clubs stands for will be ripped apart. £45+ tickets to see the top 6 clubs, tourist fans flocking to the den etc.
The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
I can answer that
They don't know themselves 🤣🤣
It was the same last season when they were close and will be the same this season.
Millwall fans spend ages on twitter saying don't care about Premier league its rubbish.
Then as they get closer they all start saying where actually gonna be in the Premier League
Then when they miss out(which they will, I have no doubt Millwall will be in the championship next season) they will say well we didn't want to be in the Premier league anyway its rubbish
To the Millwall fans on here, do you actually want to see Millwall in the premier league? Effectively, everything you think your clubs stands for will be ripped apart. £45+ tickets to see the top 6 clubs, tourist fans flogging to the den etc.
The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
Yes. Only for the one season, though. Go up, keep the squad we have, no expensive signings, get spanked every week (matron!!!), finish bottom with the lowest points total ever seen and come down with future financial payments to put the club on a better financial footing long term.
Either way we'll keep our identity and won't be paying £45 for a ticket any time soon.
We won't be going up, though.
I believe this is called the “Norwich” model, they have been doing it for seasons
It’s going to happen, isn’t it. Millwall up in a Wembley final and Palace finishing 4th from bottom. And we finish 13th just missing out on that coveted top half finish..
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
It’s going to happen, isn’t it. Millwall up in a Wembley final and Palace finishing 4th from bottom. And we finish 13th just missing out on that coveted top half finish..
Millwall going up you are of course having a laugh. 2 seasons about 35years ago was as good as it gets re top division.
I can still recall rumors going around The Den saying Birmingham had lost and The Lions went wild🤣 1972 last game of season PNE
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
Had a Millwall fan send me a picture the other day saying they were “getting on it” after the Reading game. It was a picture of a beer and a few jaegerbombs, but he’d forgotten to remove the bit at the bottom that revealed it was actually a Facebook memory from the same day 12 years ago.
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
Be mentally prepared, this isn’t like last season , they’re bigger, better , orribler , scummier, spawnier , filthier, jammier , cnutier than ever before . this is their moment , there will be no Stern John to save us and improve the surrounding areas as the scum shit on their own doorstep the end is nigh , the pondlife will rise to the top and we can cum in our pants cos we beat Morecambe
To the Millwall fans on here, do you actually want to see Millwall in the premier league? Effectively, everything you think your clubs stands for will be ripped apart. £45+ tickets to see the top 6 clubs, tourist fans flogging to the den etc.
The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
Yes. Only for the one season, though. Go up, keep the squad we have, no expensive signings, get spanked every week (matron!!!), finish bottom with the lowest points total ever seen and come down with future financial payments to put the club on a better financial footing long term.
Either way we'll keep our identity and won't be paying £45 for a ticket any time soon.
Millwall are football’s great disruptors – and their next target is the Premier League
Gary Rowett's side are sixth in the Championship on the 15th highest wage bill, a testament to their prudence, recruitment and coaching
There is a picture on the wall of Millwall’s training ground which serves as a daily reminder to players and staff: “If you want to be a winner then be fearless like a Lion.”
That bold approach and ability to upset the odds has been truly adopted by Millwall this season, with the club in contention to end a 33-year wait to operate in the top division.
Under the management of Gary Rowett, the club is sixth in the Championship with eight games remaining, and supporters are daring to dream of a fairytale ending.
The Lions have secured some big scalps along the way, including Sheffield United, Middlesbrough and a double over Watford, and the mood at their training base this week was buoyant.
“People don’t expect to see us in the top-six but we’ve embraced that underdog mentality,” says Rowett, just in from a training session with rain dripping off his shorts.
“We’re disruptors and we will use what we’re good at to stop a few of the big boys getting in there. The expectation is for the types of Watford, Norwich and West Brom to be in there – not us. We want to make one or two of those teams a little bit annoyed at the end of the season that they haven’t got in there.”
Rowett, 49, is the second longest-serving manager in the division, behind Coventry’s Mark Robins, and his three years in charge have been a tale of continual progress.
His coaching journey began 18 years ago with Derby County’s under-14s, where he earned £60 a session. He is now tantalisingly close to securing a path to the untold riches of the Premier League.
“I enjoy the challenge of punching above your weight, I think it suits me,” he says. “Millwall is a unique club and it’s only now that I’m starting to understand what it’s all about. I’ve been in the play-offs three times before [once with Derby, twice with Burton Albion] and I’d love to make it a fourth.”
Millwall did start the season poorly, but have been on an upward curve since tweaking the formation to 4-2-3-1. There is now a more expansive side to their game, and in Zian Flemming they have one of the Championship’s best players this season, with 13 goals and two assists.
A record £1.7 million signing from Fortuna Sittard, the Dutch midfielder was a target for Rowett across three seasons. Rowett watched hours and hours of Flemming’s matches, including Eredivisie games away at bigger clubs such as Ajax to see how he performed with less possession.
Another shrewd recruit has been forward Andreas Voglsammer, signed from Union Berlin last August. Known by fans as the BFG (the Big F------ German), Voglsammer is going to stay for another year after passing a set number of starts.
The arrivals of Flemming and Voglsammer has resulted in an extra 650-1000 fans from the Netherlands and Germany attending home games.
Other stand-out players include leading scorer Tom Bradshaw, who played in Wales’ Euro 2024 qualifier against Croatia last week, and defenders Jake Cooper and Danny McNamara.
There are also high hopes for winger Romain Esse, an England U18 international and a product of the club’s revered academy.
“This is the best squad we’ve had since I’ve been here,” says Rowett. “We’re not going to pass teams off the pitch but we’ll get in people’s faces and use that little bit of aggression and physicality in the right way, with some quality to strike a balance. You don’t get to sixth place with eight games to go without good players.”
Recruitment is vital for clubs like Millwall, who do not possess the budget or parachute payments of many others in the division. Preparations for next season are already advanced, whatever division they find themselves in.
Targets are scouted for years and while Millwall are reliant on data and statistics, they cannot afford to make mistakes so players are always watched live. Recruitment can also be frustrating: in January, moves for Stoke’s Jacob Brown, QPR’s Lyndon Dykes and Hibernian’s Kevin Nisbet all fell through for different reasons.
Millwall’s daily operations are overseen by Steve Kavanagh, the club’s chief executive and a strong advocate of financial regulations. Millwall’s wage bill is around the 15th highest in the division.
Kavanagh speaks daily to owner John Berylson, who is based in the United States and has invested more than £100m since taking over in 2005. Plans are in place to move into a new training ground for 2025, plus development of the Den.
“This club has always been about progression and this year we’ve made that extra step,” says Kavanagh, who is also on the EFL board.
“If you look around the Championship, there are car crashes everywhere. Football is about sustainability and acting in appropriate ways, though we all lose money. We’re trying to move the club forward and change perceptions.”
That battle to alter perceptions has felt never-ending for Kavanagh. Millwall’s troublesome reputation has been difficult to shift outside Bermondsey, but there are tangible signs of progress. The Den is now one of the safest stadiums in the Championship, and Millwall were the first club to appoint an Equality, diversity and inclusion (EDI) committee.
Millwall Romans, the LGBT team, are supported by the club and run by the community trust.
“It’s a phenomenal story and we’re slowly getting the message across that we are a good club and do the right things,” says Kavanagh. “Nobody really wants to know what we’re doing off the pitch as it doesn’t make headlines, but we’re extremely proud of what we do.”
Kavanagh makes regular visits to the club’s training ground, near Ravensbourne station, and this week the atmosphere was vibrant in the players’ canteen.
Down a corridor is Rowett’s office, a big whiteboard on the wall with plans for the weeks ahead.
Training sessions are mapped out in advance – a typical week will include extensive work on Tuesday focusing on possession, defensive phase and fitness. Match preparations crank up later in the week with concentration on set-pieces and three-team SSG’s (small-sided games).
A key member of Rowett’s staff is Dave Carolan, the head of performance. Statistics are Whatsapped to players after every game detailing distance, running bursts and physical data.
During the 1-0 defeat at Middlesbrough in January they covered the team’s most distance this season with 111,000 metres for the 10 outfield players.
Millwall are now in a chase to the finishing line: they face West Brom this weekend with a five-point lead over their opponents. They also have a potentially pivotal match against Luton on Easter Friday, while they travel to Wigan and Blackpool – the current bottom two – before the end of the season.
“We want to gatecrash the party,” says Rowett. “We’re all ready and there’s absolutely no pressure on us at all.”
strange they only had 12,500 last night thought they would be looking at 16+ at least
Perfectly understandable drop in numbers last night. Factors to consider are:
Swansea only brought 300. Bit nippy last night. On Sky Sports Red Button. Only playing a team languishing in 16th at the start of the night. Mothers Day on Sunday.
Bit nippy ? Mother’s Day ? Presuming these are a joke ?
It was only 5 degrees with a SW-WSW wind chilling the cockles.
We loves our mums we do.
Surely there must be something here that will keep the cold out?
650 Dutch and German fans attending games. Got to laugh at that as I have mates who are both Dutch and German and have said nothing about this.
Millwall in top flight football is not going to happen.
Dutch & German fans definitely been turning up as I know some Wall fans that have said as much apparently there was some Germans bouncing up & down like ultras at one game I know Wall fans hate anything to do with ultras going to be funny to see if one turns up with a drum Ha probably end up over he's head Ha
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The argument of no one likes us mentality will have to change to fit in with the Premier League sanitised model, which they sell to the rest of the world. Every newspaper will be creaming themselves to write articles about anything you do throughout the season.
Either way we'll keep our identity and won't be paying £45 for a ticket any time soon.
We won't be going up, though.
They don't know themselves 🤣🤣
It was the same last season when they were close and will be the same this season.
Millwall fans spend ages on twitter saying don't care about Premier league its rubbish.
Then as they get closer they all start saying where actually gonna be in the Premier League
Then when they miss out(which they will, I have no doubt Millwall will be in the championship next season) they will say well we didn't want to be in the Premier league anyway its rubbish
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I can still recall rumors going around The Den saying Birmingham had lost and The Lions went wild🤣 1972 last game of season PNE
If you know your history Charlton lost to Blackpool on this day and went down to Division 3 for the first time in almost 40years.
At the same time this happened at The Den.
http://www.millwall-history.org.uk/Origins-7.htm
this is their moment , there will be no Stern John to save us and improve the surrounding areas as the scum shit on their own doorstep
the end is nigh , the pondlife will rise to the top
and we can cum in our pants cos we beat Morecambe
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/03/30/millwall-premier-league-promotion-gary-rowett/
Millwall are football’s great disruptors – and their next target is the Premier League
Gary Rowett's side are sixth in the Championship on the 15th highest wage bill, a testament to their prudence, recruitment and coaching
There is a picture on the wall of Millwall’s training ground which serves as a daily reminder to players and staff: “If you want to be a winner then be fearless like a Lion.”
That bold approach and ability to upset the odds has been truly adopted by Millwall this season, with the club in contention to end a 33-year wait to operate in the top division.
Under the management of Gary Rowett, the club is sixth in the Championship with eight games remaining, and supporters are daring to dream of a fairytale ending.
The Lions have secured some big scalps along the way, including Sheffield United, Middlesbrough and a double over Watford, and the mood at their training base this week was buoyant.
“People don’t expect to see us in the top-six but we’ve embraced that underdog mentality,” says Rowett, just in from a training session with rain dripping off his shorts.
“We’re disruptors and we will use what we’re good at to stop a few of the big boys getting in there. The expectation is for the types of Watford, Norwich and West Brom to be in there – not us. We want to make one or two of those teams a little bit annoyed at the end of the season that they haven’t got in there.”
Rowett, 49, is the second longest-serving manager in the division, behind Coventry’s Mark Robins, and his three years in charge have been a tale of continual progress.
His coaching journey began 18 years ago with Derby County’s under-14s, where he earned £60 a session. He is now tantalisingly close to securing a path to the untold riches of the Premier League.
“I enjoy the challenge of punching above your weight, I think it suits me,” he says. “Millwall is a unique club and it’s only now that I’m starting to understand what it’s all about. I’ve been in the play-offs three times before [once with Derby, twice with Burton Albion] and I’d love to make it a fourth.”
Millwall did start the season poorly, but have been on an upward curve since tweaking the formation to 4-2-3-1. There is now a more expansive side to their game, and in Zian Flemming they have one of the Championship’s best players this season, with 13 goals and two assists.
A record £1.7 million signing from Fortuna Sittard, the Dutch midfielder was a target for Rowett across three seasons. Rowett watched hours and hours of Flemming’s matches, including Eredivisie games away at bigger clubs such as Ajax to see how he performed with less possession.
Another shrewd recruit has been forward Andreas Voglsammer, signed from Union Berlin last August. Known by fans as the BFG (the Big F------ German), Voglsammer is going to stay for another year after passing a set number of starts.
The arrivals of Flemming and Voglsammer has resulted in an extra 650-1000 fans from the Netherlands and Germany attending home games.
Other stand-out players include leading scorer Tom Bradshaw, who played in Wales’ Euro 2024 qualifier against Croatia last week, and defenders Jake Cooper and Danny McNamara.
There are also high hopes for winger Romain Esse, an England U18 international and a product of the club’s revered academy.
“This is the best squad we’ve had since I’ve been here,” says Rowett. “We’re not going to pass teams off the pitch but we’ll get in people’s faces and use that little bit of aggression and physicality in the right way, with some quality to strike a balance. You don’t get to sixth place with eight games to go without good players.”
Recruitment is vital for clubs like Millwall, who do not possess the budget or parachute payments of many others in the division. Preparations for next season are already advanced, whatever division they find themselves in.
Targets are scouted for years and while Millwall are reliant on data and statistics, they cannot afford to make mistakes so players are always watched live. Recruitment can also be frustrating: in January, moves for Stoke’s Jacob Brown, QPR’s Lyndon Dykes and Hibernian’s Kevin Nisbet all fell through for different reasons.
Millwall’s daily operations are overseen by Steve Kavanagh, the club’s chief executive and a strong advocate of financial regulations. Millwall’s wage bill is around the 15th highest in the division.
Kavanagh speaks daily to owner John Berylson, who is based in the United States and has invested more than £100m since taking over in 2005. Plans are in place to move into a new training ground for 2025, plus development of the Den.
“This club has always been about progression and this year we’ve made that extra step,” says Kavanagh, who is also on the EFL board.
“If you look around the Championship, there are car crashes everywhere. Football is about sustainability and acting in appropriate ways, though we all lose money. We’re trying to move the club forward and change perceptions.”
That battle to alter perceptions has felt never-ending for Kavanagh. Millwall’s troublesome reputation has been difficult to shift outside Bermondsey, but there are tangible signs of progress. The Den is now one of the safest stadiums in the Championship, and Millwall were the first club to appoint an Equality, diversity and inclusion (EDI) committee.
Millwall Romans, the LGBT team, are supported by the club and run by the community trust.
“It’s a phenomenal story and we’re slowly getting the message across that we are a good club and do the right things,” says Kavanagh. “Nobody really wants to know what we’re doing off the pitch as it doesn’t make headlines, but we’re extremely proud of what we do.”
Kavanagh makes regular visits to the club’s training ground, near Ravensbourne station, and this week the atmosphere was vibrant in the players’ canteen.
Down a corridor is Rowett’s office, a big whiteboard on the wall with plans for the weeks ahead.
Training sessions are mapped out in advance – a typical week will include extensive work on Tuesday focusing on possession, defensive phase and fitness. Match preparations crank up later in the week with concentration on set-pieces and three-team SSG’s (small-sided games).
A key member of Rowett’s staff is Dave Carolan, the head of performance. Statistics are Whatsapped to players after every game detailing distance, running bursts and physical data.
During the 1-0 defeat at Middlesbrough in January they covered the team’s most distance this season with 111,000 metres for the 10 outfield players.
Millwall are now in a chase to the finishing line: they face West Brom this weekend with a five-point lead over their opponents. They also have a potentially pivotal match against Luton on Easter Friday, while they travel to Wigan and Blackpool – the current bottom two – before the end of the season.
“We want to gatecrash the party,” says Rowett. “We’re all ready and there’s absolutely no pressure on us at all.”
Got to laugh at that as I have mates who are both Dutch and German and have said nothing about this.
Thats what I am laughing at and I don’t believe that figure. All talk.