The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
None of the people who actually took over the club before Sandgaard - Jimenez/Slater, Duchatelet or ESI - were trailed well in advance, whatever their individual merits or lack of them. Sandgaard was the exception.
Then there Is PV’s mystery investor in 2016 and Andrew Barclay’s unnamed partner in 2020 (whose identity I do know), neither of which were able to proceed at the time. I’m aware of at least one other recent interested party whose name hasn’t been publicly disclosed. They have “enough cash”.
Against that you have the two Muirs and the ex-Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman, whose previous interest was publicised.
In short, it’s more usual than not for such people to want to remain anonymous and you can’t assume Brighton involves them sitting in a row in the directors’ box.
I don’t know who Peter is currently dealing with or how realistic it might be. I don’t think there is an “oven ready deal” to coin a phrase but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
Either something is close (doesn't look likely with the Garner sacking) or Varney is coming along with people with blow you out the water money, that wouldnt be phased by an extra few million here and there, and Varney wants them to be sucked in by a great atmosphere for the Brighton game. If it is the latter, im guessing they wouldnt want their name in the public eye, as they would be getting approaches left, right and centre. Probably got my rose tinted glasses on there though!
I understand that, but if that rich, they wouldn't be to worried about the crowds etc.. They would already know about the potential of the club.
This is where I’m at too. Almost impossible for secrets like the identity of potential buyers to be maintained and certainly if we’re approaching the point where they or representatives are looking to break cover and attend a game. I know CAFC are not of much interest to the media these days but I can’t believe something wouldn’t have squeaked out to a journalist or two. It’s not even happened that one or two of the genuinely in the know CL posters have any clue as to what’s happening. It’s dead silence on who and even on if. Perhaps I’m wearing my well fitting Charlton negativity hat but I just can’t see where we are in any way close to TS moving on. I’m not suggesting PV is leading us a dance because I think the man is 100% Charlton but this is all very odd. I’ll also say that I’m praying I’m wrong.
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
Either something is close (doesn't look likely with the Garner sacking) or Varney is coming along with people with blow you out the water money, that wouldnt be phased by an extra few million here and there, and Varney wants them to be sucked in by a great atmosphere for the Brighton game. If it is the latter, im guessing they wouldnt want their name in the public eye, as they would be getting approaches left, right and centre. Probably got my rose tinted glasses on there though!
I understand that, but if that rich, they wouldn't be to worried about the crowds etc.. They would already know about the potential of the club.
This is where I’m at too. Almost impossible for secrets like the identity of potential buyers to be maintained and certainly if we’re approaching the point where they or representatives are looking to break cover and attend a game. I know CAFC are not of much interest to the media these days but I can’t believe something wouldn’t have squeaked out to a journalist or two. It’s not even happened that one or two of the genuinely in the know CL posters have any clue as to what’s happening. It’s dead silence on who and even on if. Perhaps I’m wearing my well fitting Charlton negativity hat but I just can’t see where we are in any way close to TS moving on. I’m not suggesting PV is leading us a dance because I think the man is 100% Charlton but this is all very odd. I’ll also say that I’m praying I’m wrong.
And yet there are a number of names that have never come out, including several parties LDT was supposedly giving updates on to the FF in 2019-20.
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
Either something is close (doesn't look likely with the Garner sacking) or Varney is coming along with people with blow you out the water money, that wouldnt be phased by an extra few million here and there, and Varney wants them to be sucked in by a great atmosphere for the Brighton game. If it is the latter, im guessing they wouldnt want their name in the public eye, as they would be getting approaches left, right and centre. Probably got my rose tinted glasses on there though!
I understand that, but if that rich, they wouldn't be to worried about the crowds etc.. They would already know about the potential of the club.
This is where I’m at too. Almost impossible for secrets like the identity of potential buyers to be maintained and certainly if we’re approaching the point where they or representatives are looking to break cover and attend a game. I know CAFC are not of much interest to the media these days but I can’t believe something wouldn’t have squeaked out to a journalist or two. It’s not even happened that one or two of the genuinely in the know CL posters have any clue as to what’s happening. It’s dead silence on who and even on if. Perhaps I’m wearing my well fitting Charlton negativity hat but I just can’t see where we are in any way close to TS moving on. I’m not suggesting PV is leading us a dance because I think the man is 100% Charlton but this is all very odd. I’ll also say that I’m praying I’m wrong.
And yet there are a number of names that have never come out, including several parties LDT was supposedly giving updates on to the FF in 2019-20.
But they never had people taking to social media to draw a crowd!
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
Either something is close (doesn't look likely with the Garner sacking) or Varney is coming along with people with blow you out the water money, that wouldnt be phased by an extra few million here and there, and Varney wants them to be sucked in by a great atmosphere for the Brighton game. If it is the latter, im guessing they wouldnt want their name in the public eye, as they would be getting approaches left, right and centre. Probably got my rose tinted glasses on there though!
I understand that, but if that rich, they wouldn't be to worried about the crowds etc.. They would already know about the potential of the club.
This is where I’m at too. Almost impossible for secrets like the identity of potential buyers to be maintained and certainly if we’re approaching the point where they or representatives are looking to break cover and attend a game. I know CAFC are not of much interest to the media these days but I can’t believe something wouldn’t have squeaked out to a journalist or two. It’s not even happened that one or two of the genuinely in the know CL posters have any clue as to what’s happening. It’s dead silence on who and even on if. Perhaps I’m wearing my well fitting Charlton negativity hat but I just can’t see where we are in any way close to TS moving on. I’m not suggesting PV is leading us a dance because I think the man is 100% Charlton but this is all very odd. I’ll also say that I’m praying I’m wrong.
And yet there are a number of names that have never come out, including several parties LDT was supposedly giving updates on to the FF in 2019-20.
But they never had people taking to social media to draw a crowd!
Both the 2016 and 2020 interest were extensively publicised, as were the FF meetings at the time.
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
Either something is close (doesn't look likely with the Garner sacking) or Varney is coming along with people with blow you out the water money, that wouldnt be phased by an extra few million here and there, and Varney wants them to be sucked in by a great atmosphere for the Brighton game. If it is the latter, im guessing they wouldnt want their name in the public eye, as they would be getting approaches left, right and centre. Probably got my rose tinted glasses on there though!
I understand that, but if that rich, they wouldn't be to worried about the crowds etc.. They would already know about the potential of the club.
This is where I’m at too. Almost impossible for secrets like the identity of potential buyers to be maintained and certainly if we’re approaching the point where they or representatives are looking to break cover and attend a game. I know CAFC are not of much interest to the media these days but I can’t believe something wouldn’t have squeaked out to a journalist or two. It’s not even happened that one or two of the genuinely in the know CL posters have any clue as to what’s happening. It’s dead silence on who and even on if. Perhaps I’m wearing my well fitting Charlton negativity hat but I just can’t see where we are in any way close to TS moving on. I’m not suggesting PV is leading us a dance because I think the man is 100% Charlton but this is all very odd. I’ll also say that I’m praying I’m wrong.
And yet there are a number of names that have never come out, including several parties LDT was supposedly giving updates on to the FF in 2019-20.
That’s interesting but I’m assuming that such interest would only be very early and tentative? Based upon PV’s call to arms we’re past that stage. I really have no idea but it’s almost as if it’s almost done and we’re being asked to put on our best clobber and make an impressive to get it over the line.
The thing I don't really understand in all this at the moment, is why hasn't the identity of these people in the public? If they are going to in the public eye for the Brighton game, and PV is open about this. Surely there would be more in the press! Or few more rumours of who the party involved is...
Key people that normally have good inside knowledge on this type of stuff are very quiet as well! Them being Airman and Henry.. How confident are you about this takeover even happening, and do they have enough cash.
Just not sure why once you go on to social media to drum up a big crowd, no further detail becomes public... I have heard a couple of things, but nothing concrete.
It not as if Thomas isn't going to be aware! Just don't get the big hhhuuussshhhh.. All a little strange for my liking!
None of the people who actually took over the club before Sandgaard - Jimenez/Slater, Duchatelet or ESI - were trailed well in advance, whatever their individual merits or lack of them. Sandgaard was the exception.
Then there Is PV’s mystery investor in 2016 and Andrew Barclay’s unnamed partner in 2020 (whose identity I do know), neither of which were able to proceed at the time. I’m aware of at least one other recent interested party whose name hasn’t been publicly disclosed. They have “enough cash”.
Against that you have the two Muirs and the ex-Cardiff chairman Mehmet Dalman, whose previous interest was publicised.
In short, it’s more usual than not for such people to want to remain anonymous and you can’t assume Brighton involves them sitting in a row in the directors’ box.
I don’t know who Peter is currently dealing with or how realistic it might be. I don’t think there is an “oven ready deal” to coin a phrase but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
If I was going to keep anything quiet, it probably would have been that!
This isn’t complicated. It’s easier for a potential owner to understand what things could be like by experiencing a packed Valley than looking at old videos or spreadsheets.
If you think the experience plays no part in such decisions you are misunderstanding why most people get involved in football.
I don’t see what the downside is. Most of us would prefer to be in a bigger crowd with a better atmosphere.
What’s wrong with a cold Friday night vs Cheltenham could have done it then. Too late in two weeks!
Good god. Don’t mean to be rude but some people on this thread literally seem to be in Alan Partridge’s words, “a bit simple”. Or blindly intent on criticising / unpicking a very, very simple and quite obviously intended tweet by Varney. Sorry to be rude but I can’t 🤷🏼♂️.
Some blindingly obvious answers to that question.
1) the interested party is going to the Brighton game but wasn’t going to the Cheltenham game.
Shouldn’t really need anymore than that simple, black and white and unchallengable possible explanation, but for good measure , some other reasons
2) Cheltenham town would never bring more than 300 odd fans. Therefore to get the same fullish crowd in the stadium, you’d be asking 3,4,5k extra Charlton fans to turn up than you are for the Brighton game. Appreciate many already have tickets for Cheltenham and not Brighton but at £5-£15 and given the paltry crowds at home league games anyway atm I don’t think that necessarily undermines that (eg we had what 3k home fans V Stockport Vs probably 6k V Cheltenham, a net difference immediately wiped out by Brighton fans).
3) Brighton game with a big away showing would undoubtedly have better chance of creating a good atmosphere with a full+ away end. The atmosphere and experience at the valley can feel like a big/ even premier league game when that is the case even in modest league one crowds, eg against the likes of pompey, Sunderland etc in recent years. In contrast a fairly big home crowd can still feel like a non league fixture when played in front of a pitiful away turnout. Not reflective of the ‘potential experience’ you’d be aiming for or buying into.
4) most likely a mauling, sure, but a likelihood of a better game of football against a Premier League side than the non-league huff and puff of the bottom half of league one. Obviously we’re terrible but have already managed to put in respectable performances against QPR and Norwich this calendar year.
Just turn up.
Good God indeed!
I dont mean to be rude either, genuinely, but I think it might be you being "a bit simple" here by taking that post literally rather than in the tongue in cheek manner it was (I assume) intended.
Happy to be correct if it is in fact just me being dense.
fair enough if that's the case. The comment about "too late in 2 weeks" threw me
The only strange thing about this, in my mind, is, surely TS must know who's supposedly coming with PV, he must have asked or made enquiries? The call went out, for people to attend, on main Social Media sites, TS must have seen/heard about it? TS is not the type of person not to need to know what's happening, and if that's the case, the actions over the last 48hrs or so don't add up. Why sack a manager, appoint a caretaker, if he is hoping to get out? Just a couple of questions I've been unable to answer in my thoughts.
Because the sacking shifts the focus back into him. I’ve come to the conclusion - particularly after seeing yesterdays video on his medical site - that he craves attention above all else, when it comes to us.
PWR the last 20 odd pages, but if a potential buyer needs any convincing then they should look at the crowd for Donny and the number we took to Wembley in the not too distant past for clarification on fan "potential". Not a mid-week game in the 2nd cup comp against unglamorous (but premier league) oppo just before Xmas. And if PV is involved I'm sure he could provide them with this info tbf.
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
So RD’s assumed reluctance to deal with PV is not as hardline or personal as some seem to think then? With RD already having a deal with ESI it’s based on a simple business agreement, rather than some dislike, vendetta or personal agenda against PV?
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
So RD’s assumed reluctance to deal with PV is not as hardline or personal as some seem to think then? With RD already having a deal with ESI it’s based on a simple business agreement, rather than some dislike, vendetta or personal agenda against PV?
I think RD’s motivation was to avoid being on the hook for the £7m ex-director loans if the club went bust.
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
So RD’s assumed reluctance to deal with PV is not as hardline or personal as some seem to think then? With RD already having a deal with ESI it’s based on a simple business agreement, rather than some dislike, vendetta or personal agenda against PV?
I think RD’s motivation was to avoid being on the hook for the £7m ex-director loans if the club went bust.
These loans don’t seem that significant in a world where we lose £8m a year anyway?
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
So RD’s assumed reluctance to deal with PV is not as hardline or personal as some seem to think then? With RD already having a deal with ESI it’s based on a simple business agreement, rather than some dislike, vendetta or personal agenda against PV?
I think RD’s motivation was to avoid being on the hook for the £7m ex-director loans if the club went bust.
So do you believe he would deal with any alleged interested party if PV was either directly or indirectly involved, it’s business and not personal? We have been told, or led to believe that PV’s involvement is a deal stopper.
but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
PV was involved with the TS takeover? Presumably he had no idea how a TS ownership would turn out?
It’s well documented that PV was involved with the Barclay interest but RD refused to engage on the basis that he already had a deal with ESI. PV met Sandgaard at Wayne Mumford’s instigation and helped him take his interest forward, for example placing the story in the SLP in order to get RD’s attention. RD will have known that PV had been involved, although leasing the ground wasn’t something PV supported, hence Barclay etc was his preferred option, but once RD was able to do a new lease instead that was what was going to happen.
So RD’s assumed reluctance to deal with PV is not as hardline or personal as some seem to think then? With RD already having a deal with ESI it’s based on a simple business agreement, rather than some dislike, vendetta or personal agenda against PV?
I think RD’s motivation was to avoid being on the hook for the £7m ex-director loans if the club went bust.
These loans don’t seem that significant in a world where we lose £8m a year anyway?
Roland wasn’t losing anything at that point. Why would he want to pick up a £7m liability?
I think that Peter had put £100 on with Ladbrokes that the attendance will be over 15,000 & then realising his silly mistake decided to gee-up the fan base with a cryptic ‘you must buy a ticket for Brighton game’ 🤔
I’ve missed about 15 pages of this thread but my thoughts are: Varney has met someone through business who mentioned they’d like to own a football club. Obviously, Varney has tried to push Charlton as an option. This person has probably never heard of Charlton and isn’t sure about the prospect. Varney has therefore invited them to the Brighton game knowing it’s the best chance we have of showing this individual or group that The Valley can be an exciting place and may be worth investing in. In this scenario I don’t think a deal has even been thought about, I think there’s just a potentially interested person and Varney is trying to spark a bit of enthusiasm in them to pursue us as an option. It’s nothing to do with a 20k crowd convincing someone to put a bid on the table, we’re nowhere that far along in the process.
Of course I’m saying this with absolutely no knowledge of the situation but I am definitely not getting my hopes up for whoever is at the game being remotely close to taking us over yet.
I’ve missed about 15 pages of this thread but my thoughts are: Varney has met someone through business who mentioned they’d like to own a football club. Obviously, Varney has tried to push Charlton as an option. This person has probably never heard of Charlton and isn’t sure about the prospect. Varney has therefore invited them to the Brighton game knowing it’s the best chance we have of showing this individual or group that The Valley can be an exciting place and may be worth investing in. In this scenario I don’t think a deal has even been thought about, I think there’s just a potentially interested person and Varney is trying to spark a bit of enthusiasm in them to pursue us as an option. It’s nothing to do with a 20k crowd convincing someone to put a bid on the table, we’re nowhere that far along in the process.
Of course I’m saying this with absolutely no knowledge of the situation but I am definitely not getting my hopes up for whoever is at the game being remotely close to taking us over yet.
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In short, it’s more usual than not for such people to want to remain anonymous and you can’t assume Brighton involves them sitting in a row in the directors’ box.
I don’t know who Peter is currently dealing with or how realistic it might be. I don’t think there is an “oven ready deal” to coin a phrase but neither can you assume that RD won’t deal with someone because PV is involved - after all, he was involved with Sandgaard.
We have been told, or led to believe that PV’s involvement is a deal stopper.
I think that Peter had put £100 on with Ladbrokes that the attendance will be over 15,000 & then realising his silly mistake decided to gee-up the fan base with a cryptic ‘you must buy a ticket for Brighton game’ 🤔
Yes, agree if like most and you don’t know the inner workings and can only judge on the pitch it was a fantastic time as a fan.