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  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited September 2022
    bobmunro said:
    AFKABartram said:
    bobmunro said:
    There are an awful lot of people on this thread seemingly knowing what The Queen would and would not have wanted.
    Fair point Bob, I’m guilty of that. Just think although done with completely the right intentions, but it’s the wrong call for a number of reasons.  And it gets really silly when kids football matches get cancelled so they just have a training session at exactly the same time and place instead. 
    I believe the FA/EFL have made the right call - but I would not agree with stopping children's football. As I said in an earlier post, that's my opinion and I respect those that would not agree with me - but either way it is for the relevant authorities to decide what they feel is appropriate rather than what The Queen may have wanted (which would have likely been no fuss, no inconvenience as that was her style). A woman of the stature of Her Majesty can't get away with no fuss!!
    Sorry, but I think there can still be plenty of fuss, and the EFL have made the wrong call.

    Matches continued to be played after the death of King George VI in ‘52, and I believe the minutes silence and the singing of Abide With Me would have provided solace for many, and a moment of togetherness that wouldn’t have been available to millions otherwise. The same tribute a week or two later would have been less emotional, I suspect. 
    Perhaps surprisingly, there was a full fixtures list on the day of Winston Churchill’s funeral. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Jac_52 said:
    soapboxsam said:
    When a Queen of 96 dies then have one days mourning plus the Funeral day but celebrate her life and put on all sports I noticed the Queen's favourite sport of Horse racing is going ahead on Sunday.  That footage of the Queen is brilliant with her race manager when one of her horses won a big race; I have never seen her so excited.

    Grief is natural despite the timeline being different for all of us and the last thing this country needs is so many people who have lost income and desperately trying to get customers back to lose out yet again. If you haven't suffered financially over the last two years then lucky old you(I haven't either) but some have and events need to go ahead and no more than two days should be affected and that Includes the Monday of the funeral. 




    Personally even that is too much. I don't need to grieve or see how anyone that doesn't know her does and I'm sure many many millions are the same.

    Just celebrate her life and or/mourn if you want to, no need for empty gestures of cancelling things on her behalf.

    Which is what I basically said !
    I'm trying to suggest the two days, tomorrow and Monday week to make a compromise to the folk who want to mourn for a couple of weeks when I believe the service and a good wake which we did for my cousin who died at 68 two weeks ago where I did my bit to celebrate a good life as that's what my cousin would have wanted; other than living another 30 years I would imagine.

    Going from tears to laughter was a lovely way of remembering such a great guy and so cathartic for his twin sister and the rest of the family and friends as the stories were told and the drink flowed and laughter shared and a few more tears to prove we are human.
  • Dansk_Red
    Dansk_Red Posts: 5,726
    edited September 2022
    But how many police officers were required to ensure law and order, now days we have upwards of 150 officers on duty with some in riot gear and others on horses, I went to football matches in the 50's and do not recall morethan a couple  of dozen polieman around the valley. If you look at the television from Buckhouse police are required for crowd control etc, so they can not police football matches at the same time.    
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,341
    Airman Brown said:
    ValleyGary said:
    palarsehater said:
    Croydon said:
    For me it really highlights how out of touch with society the whole thing is.
    Yeah a monarch of 70 years passing is out of touch for a few matches to be called off 
    I just don't see the correlation to sport. Did we call games off after 7/7? I cant remember.

    Will all the shops be closed? Will the pubs be closed? Whats the cut off point here of what we can and cant enjoy due to paying respect.


    Our televised match (with Chelsea IIRC) was called off after 9/11. I think we lost the TV fee too. Security was a factor though.

    7/7 was in July…
    We played Port Vale at home on the 12/09/01 in the League Cup.

    The Chelsea game was moved as Chelsea should have been playing in the Uefa Cup that week but UEFA called off most games that week in their comps (but not the ones on 11/9)  that game got rearranged onto the date of our game with Chelsea
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,341
    Dansk_Red said:
    But how many police officers were required to ensure law and order, now days we have upwards of 150 officers on duty with some in riot gear and others on horses, I went to football matches in the 50's and do not recall morethan a couple  of dozen polieman around the valley. If you look at the television from Buckhouse police are required for crowd control etc, so they can not police football matches at the same time.    
    The policing is not the reason for the games being off this weekend. The PL/EFL/FA were too risk adverse to a negative reaction so called everything including under 8 games off. IMO the wrong call
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    Well played Chuks... Another week to avoid the 0-0-10 or whatever it is now.
  • Dave2l
    Dave2l Posts: 8,864
    Will sandguard hit the valley with a hendrix god saved the queen?

    I believe it is a possibility that he may be considering 

  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,750
    colthe3rd said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
    People grieve in their own way.  Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.  

    At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.  
    But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
    Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that.  You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them.  And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.  
    Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
    Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation. 

    Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
    Ok, but do you expect children to mourn and express sorrow. Why should children be having their matches cancelled?

    I can only assume that The Queen's great grandchildren will be prevented from playing games for two weeks. They won't be outdoors kicking a ball about, surely? 
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    JamesSeed said:
    bobmunro said:
    AFKABartram said:
    bobmunro said:
    There are an awful lot of people on this thread seemingly knowing what The Queen would and would not have wanted.
    Fair point Bob, I’m guilty of that. Just think although done with completely the right intentions, but it’s the wrong call for a number of reasons.  And it gets really silly when kids football matches get cancelled so they just have a training session at exactly the same time and place instead. 
    I believe the FA/EFL have made the right call - but I would not agree with stopping children's football. As I said in an earlier post, that's my opinion and I respect those that would not agree with me - but either way it is for the relevant authorities to decide what they feel is appropriate rather than what The Queen may have wanted (which would have likely been no fuss, no inconvenience as that was her style). A woman of the stature of Her Majesty can't get away with no fuss!!
    Sorry, but I think there can still be plenty of fuss, and the EFL have made the wrong call.

    Matches continued to be played after the death of King George VI in ‘52, and I believe the minutes silence and the singing of Abide With Me would have provided solace for many, and a moment of togetherness that wouldn’t have been available to millions otherwise. The same tribute a week or two later would have been less emotional, I suspect. 
    Perhaps surprisingly, there was a full fixtures list on the day of Winston Churchill’s funeral. 
    I'm sorry but is this not a bit different? 
    King George the VI had been on the throne 16 years? 
    What most of us have just witnessed will probably never happen again and even at 96 the Queen continued her duties to the end
  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 997
    I was going to suggest perhaps people reflect most national sports organisations enjoy Royal Patronage. 

    Queen Elizabeth II was Patron and Prince William is the President of the FA under which all football leagues are licensed.

    However the inconsistency across sporting organisations defines so much of the modern day executive. Ill informed, ill advised, ill prepared, largely inept and inconsistent.

    At no point should any of this been an « in the moment » decision particularly with a monarch in her 90s.

    I/ we should recognise there is no government or royal edict in place but was it really beyond anybody going through the planning stages for the loss of a head of state to prepare the ground for ongoing public events.

    Are modern day executives incapable of preparing for anything?

    I genuinely recognise there are a wide range of feelings on the issue and with the now borderline exploitation of events by the media in providing endlessly repetitive wall to wall coverage, (there is a difference between due respect and saturation) I saw it is as hard for any British organisation to present itself in any other light than supporting « media/ public sentiment ».

    In other circumstances in other times I am not sure the PL, EFL etc., would have made the same decision. If it is now in error it is at least an error for the right reasons.

    i would like to add one further personal comment. Beyond direct fiscal implications I feel there really are times when just maybe, just maybe things shouldn’t just continue as normal.

    It is not a usual event. Losing a Head of State is not any every day event in the UK. Losing one after 70 years is unique.

    Recognising not everybody has the luxury maybe in the very busy, consumer & media dominated world in which we all live there should be a decent time to take stock of the world in which we all live, at this one moment in history, not only to remember the woman herself, but understand why she was held in such high esteem.

    Why did she stand out?

    Seldom can anyone born into such wealth & privilege displayed so expertly the values of unity, humanity, humility and a dedication to serve. Does it not condemn the « politicians and statesmen and stateswoman of the world who present in such stark contrast to these values.

    That they fail to do so is on them. They we allow them to fail to do so is on us.

    So maybe, just maybe we do spend those spare moments we do now have to resolve it is time for those elected to serve us to be held to account to actually observe the values of a head of state elected by no one.

    Now that would be a fitting tribute to the end of the Second Elizabethan era. 
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  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,735
    Great to read a post from you once again, Grapevine.

    You've been sorely missed. 
  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,251
    I would have loved to have been in a big crowd tomorrow marking the death of the Queen. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,484
    I think cancelling kids games is a few steps too far.


  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    AddicksAddict said:

    Right decision imo.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    And let's not forget horse racing suspended  a couple of meetings halfway through on news of the Queens passing followed by 2 days of no racing out of respect.
    Cricket was suspended today as I believe a golf tournament.
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,590
    DaveMehmet said:
    I'm supposed to be at The Goodwood Revival next weekend. Would imagine it will still go ahead if the funeral is on Monday but can't see they'll have any other option but to cancel if it's Saturday. They and local businesses will lose an absolute fortune if it is cancelled, thousands of people from across the world are due to attend and all the hotels anywhere near the place have been booked up for months.
    They’ve announced that after consultation with the UK government, the event will go ahead with special moments throughout the weekend to remember the late Queen. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    edited September 2022
    My lads first game in his U10s season cancelled on Sunday due to FA /Kent FA.  Weird decision.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,240
    I don't understand this 

    By and large most people in football crowds would have made this weekend an absolute celebration of life, show respect with esr splitting renditions of God Save The Queen, players wear black armbands and let sport continue, no need to drag a nation into a deep depression, we mourn and we don't respectfully and we celebrate a full life lived by our Queen, I cant speak from experience having never had the conversation with her majesty but I reckon she would have wanted the nation to use this weekend as an opportunity to come together and show how much we care rather than just daily mail readers leaving flowers and crying outside Buckingham Palace (which is fine if thats what you want to do). Boxing would have marked the occasion well, as would football as would cricket. 
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,143
    I’m firmly in the “this is ridiculous” camp, along with the Met Office making complete prats of themselves, and the Bank of England agreeing with the Head of Global Inflation to show some “respect”, while the London Stock Exchange carries on regardless. 

    And I say that as a citizen who greatly appreciated the Queen. I wouldnt presume to know what she would wish for or expect, but this mess sure looks like the polar opposite of “Keep Calm and Carry On”
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  • pickwick
    pickwick Posts: 1,649
    It is the away fans I feel sorry for how many of the 1500 Exeter fans coming tomorrow will get adequate refunds from club and transport providers.  The rearranged fixture will be in some Tuesday February no doubt.  The football authorities as is often the case are just tone deaf.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,116
    jimmymelrose said:
    colthe3rd said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
    People grieve in their own way.  Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.  

    At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.  
    But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
    Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that.  You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them.  And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.  
    Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
    Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation. 

    Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
    Ok, but do you expect children to mourn and express sorrow. Why should children be having their matches cancelled?

    I can only assume that The Queen's great grandchildren will be prevented from playing games for two weeks. They won't be outdoors kicking a ball about, surely? 
    No one has been banned from kicking a ball about, don’t be a wally.

    Football has hit this spot on. The other sports have messed it up. 
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    It's just fake. Carrying on was very much what E2 stood for. 
  • Wheresmeticket
    Wheresmeticket Posts: 17,304
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    colthe3rd said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
    People grieve in their own way.  Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.  

    At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.  
    But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
    Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that.  You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them.  And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.  
    Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
    Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation. 

    Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
    Ok, but do you expect children to mourn and express sorrow. Why should children be having their matches cancelled?

    I can only assume that The Queen's great grandchildren will be prevented from playing games for two weeks. They won't be outdoors kicking a ball about, surely? 
    No one has been banned from kicking a ball about, don’t be a wally.

    Football has hit this spot on. The other sports have messed it up. 
    So for the first time ever the EFL and PL have got it right? I don't think so.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    colthe3rd said:
    FishCostaFortune said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    BR7_addick said:
    colthe3rd said:
    Actually surprised many want games to go ahead this weekend, I'd have thought any supporter of the Royals would have wanted games to be postponed this weekend at a minimum.
    People grieve in their own way.  Some would want to be indoors, others might want to carry on.  

    At least if the sport is on you have a choice whatever your thoughts are.  
    But what about people who have to work at events that aren't postponed, they won't exactly have a choice. It all smacks a bit of I want to show I care but don't inconvenience me.
    Well it’s unfortunate if you don’t have a choice but what can we do about that.  You can show you care in a number of ways, cancelling football doesn’t have to be one of them.  And by the way I’m not gonna be angry if it is cancelled I just can’t see why it should be.  
    Just to be a pedant, it's not cancelled it's postponed. I'm no royalist by any means so personally I don't care either way. I just can't understand those that are and would be going and having fun in what is an official period of mourning. Seems hypocritical to me.
    Why does mourning not have to be about going and having 'fun'. It should be a chance to celebrate someone's life, especially someone who has lived so long and had such an impact on the nation. 

    Because the word mourning literally means expressing sorrow. Fun and sorrow do not go together. Some great mental gymnastics in this thread.
    Ok, but do you expect children to mourn and express sorrow. Why should children be having their matches cancelled?

    I can only assume that The Queen's great grandchildren will be prevented from playing games for two weeks. They won't be outdoors kicking a ball about, surely? 
    No one has been banned from kicking a ball about, don’t be a wally.

    Football has hit this spot on. The other sports have messed it up. 

    How is stopping kids football spot on?  No way the queen wanted young kids stopped exercising. I kind of get EFL/PL but below that. No.
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    This thread has surprised me.
    I really thought more people would of wanted to the game of football to standstill for 1  game.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,640
    clb74 said:
    This thread has surprised me.
    I really thought more people would of wanted to the game of football to standstill for 1  game.

    When football fans are called on to show respect for something they usually do it extremely well. I'm sure they would have done today.
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    clb74 said:
    This thread has surprised me.
    I really thought more people would of wanted to the game of football to standstill for 1  game.
    I think there some people who think that it is the right thing to do, but like yourself it has surprised me just how few.
  • Hal1x
    Hal1x Posts: 4,265
    edited September 2022
    Not sure why, but it does seem appropriate, and feels right, to postpone todays games as a sign of respect.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,031
    It’s a very un-British decision. We’re known worldwide for our ability to keep calm and carry on without resorting to hysteria in times of crisis. 

    There would have been a beautiful poignancy, particularly is the large Premier League stadiums, of tens of thousands of Brits standing for what would have been an immaculately observed minutes silence in the immediate aftermath of the Queens death. I’m a little angry that opportunity has been denied to us. 

    Add to the fact that it only seems to be football (at every level of the game) that’s affected and it’s even more curious.

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