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  • we need a more reliable goalkeeper than MacGillivray .. the keeper is THE most important player in the team 

    Sandy says he is looking for at least 5 loan players ? .. i m o that is 3 too many .. we want OUR players playing for US .. and yes I know Cullen, Bielik etc, they were exceptional loanees .. I don't expect that we will get anywhere near their quality .. I would rather have a smallish squad than have to rely on loans, UNLESS we can get two REAL quality players in 
  • I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
    If we played 433 with DJ and CBT, where are the goals coming from?
  • Dazzler21 said:
    I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
    If we played 433 with DJ and CBT, where are the goals coming from?
    I'd hope playing further up the pitch (not having to constantly track back to defence) they'd get more opportunities to get into shooting/crossing positions.
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
    If we played 433 with DJ and CBT, where are the goals coming from?
    I'd hope playing further up the pitch (not having to constantly track back to defence) they'd get more opportunities to get into shooting/crossing positions.
    Goals will come from throughout the team if we can play our way up the pitch instead of going back to front immediately up to Stockley.
  • The CBT we saw towards the end of season would provide a fair number. 
  • DA9DA9
    edited May 2022
    Anyone with a reasonable guess of what weekly wages have been placed back in the pot with that released list, assume Gunter, Watson, Matthew’s and Henderson were on a good whack for L1 level?
  • Dazzler21 said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
    If we played 433 with DJ and CBT, where are the goals coming from?
    I'd hope playing further up the pitch (not having to constantly track back to defence) they'd get more opportunities to get into shooting/crossing positions.
    I just don’t think it’s a wise idea, we’d need too many players. DJ doesn’t look like a goal scoring winger at all 
  • If we go 4-3-3, DJ can’t be first choice - nowhere near good enough.
  • DA9 said:
    Anyone with a reasonable guess of what weekly wages have been placed back in the pot with that released list, assume Gunter, Watson, Matthew’s and Henderson were on a good whack for L1 level?
    Watson was at one stage the highest earner at the club, I don't know if Stockley etc went passed him.  Gunter was on slightly less.  Matthews less than that.  Guess Henderson was on not a lot really.  Sourae I doubt was on much.   No idea about Pearce, probably not that much as he signed as back up player last summer.

    20k a week between them?   Half of that just in Watson and Gunter would be my guess.
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  • Why would we go back to 433 or more likely how it ended 4231. Under Adkins . Stockley can’t play the formation unless we are getting rid of stockley as well. 
    DJ will not be 1st choice. he couldn’t play it either he stayed to wide. 


    Truth be told we didn't have the players to play any formation, well, last season.
  • Scoham said:
    Good to see Matthews gone.

    Don’t agree with keeping Inniss. The fact that his community work gets mentioned so often shows his availability doesn’t justify a new contract.

    I can still see Davison going, as with Fosu we might be hoping to get a small compensation fee for him.

    Great to know Dobson as well as CBT and AMBA has an optional year which we can activate.

    Commented on Washington on his thread - signs that we’ll move back to 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1?
    Some of the released, such as Faemwo, did not suit 3 at the back. If we are playing 433 or 4231, they are fine. Whether you need that flexibility is important to play both is a consideration. This is League one, players may be a bit limited. 

    I know players need releasing & decisions made but   better for managers to be making these decisions. 
  • Maybe Washington had better offers coming in, or his agent wanted to see what was on offer before agreeing to re-sign?
    Just because he is leaving does not necessarily mean that a contract was not offered.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    How many do we need?

    I think Davison out and Fraser in kept us at the squad cap limit.  Am I right in thinking that that is reduced by 1 for next season?

    4 players from last years squad didn't count and ignore the keepers.

    6 released, 3 loans add Morgan back in and take the 1 off, that's 7 spaces.  Isn't it?  That doesn't include Kirk.

    So unless anyone else leaves, the squad cap is abolished, or we sign under age players we can only bring in 6.

    We seriously need to get all of them perfect, not a lot of margin for error.

    Looking as things stand,

    At least 3 full backs.
    1 centre back
    1 winger 
    1 striker 

    And this is without knowing the formation, so numbers I’d say at least 6.  Preferably 8.


    First Team

    Goalkeepers
    Craig MacGillivray 2023
    Ashley Maynard-Brewer 2023 
    Nathan Harness 2023

    Right sided defenders

    Left sided defenders

    Centre Backs
    Deji Elerewe 2024
    Sam Lavelle 2024
    Ryan Innis 2023

    Central Midfielders 
    George Dobson 2023
    Sean Clare 2023
    Scott Fraser 2025
    Alex Gilbey 2023
    Albie Morgan 2023
    Jake Forster-Caskey 2023

    Wingers 
    Corey Blackett-Taylor 2023
    Diallang Jaiyesimi 2024
    Charlie Kirk 2025

    Strikers
    Chuks Aneke 2025
    Jayden Stockley 2024
    Josh Davison 2023


    Some gaps to fill there for a top 2 finish.  
  • There's no way Davison is going to settle for being our number 3 striker, particularly if we are only going to play one.

    In fact, I imagine he was quite fed up to hear the news the extension on his contract was being triggered. He's the main man now at Swindon, scored a few goals there, seems happy there and apparently is well like by the Swindon crowd.  Why give that up to come back just for the odd game here?

    I'm assuming his contract has been extended so we might get a small transfer fee when we sell him and i will be amazed if he is still here when the season starts. 
  • be interesting to see how Davison does in the play offs, IF selected .. Swindon might make an offer if they go up .. he's done more than OK for them
  • Redrobo said:
    Maybe Washington had better offers coming in, or his agent wanted to see what was on offer before agreeing to re-sign?
    Just because he is leaving does not necessarily mean that a contract was not offered.
    I think you have to state if the player has been released or offered a contract.  Its a throw back to the release and retain days

    Its only a bigger thing now because they are all over social media, not just the local rag.
  • paulfox said:
    If Swindon get promoted, I’d be surprised if Davison isn’t with them on a permanent next season, with a little cash in our coffers.
    Then he’d be a young striker who just scored 1 in 2 for the season in a promoted side.  That’s something we should be looking at.

    Many of our fan base has written him off already, seems trigger happy to me.  
    All depends on if he can improve, which isn’t impossible, however although young still,it may be his level?, he really wasn’t good enough for us earlier in the season. But I think the correct decision was made by sending him on loan, probably would have done Morgan some good aswell. I’m not convinced by him yet but would happily see him progress. 
  • Innis is a very useful unit at set pieces but he is clumsy on the ball and a constant liability. Always injured. Daft decision to retain him imo.

    JFC deserves another season to get going again.

    Matthews - was a shame that he never regained his 19/20 form when he looked very solid in the Championship. Seems to have lost his edge and had to be moved on.

    Washington's departure is better debated elsewhere on this forum.

    I won't even notice the departure of the rest.
  • To be fair... Washington could have played like Messi at times, and I was a big fan of his.

    But if he was a big reason behind unrest in the dressing room then he had to go - We need chemistry amongst a squad.

    I've heard of one Manager (Might have been Wagner @ Huddersfield) who went into a club, and told the players to write down the names of those who they thought were disruptive in the dressing room - Was all kept confidential so the players didnt feel uncomfortable, but the handful that were listed, quietly got moved on to other clubs.

    Feel we need to do similar.
    Is that why Grant left them....😆
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  • edited May 2022
    Dazzler21 said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    I have no issue with 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 with the right players. 

    4-3-3 you once again need wingers that can drop into midfield, which I think DJ & CBT have improved on massively, but it's still not entirely natural. I also don't want Stockley at the head of that formation. We need someone who can bring the ball down and hold it up, not just 50p flick it everywhere. 
    If we played 433 with DJ and CBT, where are the goals coming from?
    I'd hope playing further up the pitch (not having to constantly track back to defence) they'd get more opportunities to get into shooting/crossing positions.
    Goals will come from throughout the team if we can play our way up the pitch instead of going back to front immediately up to Stockley.
    It didn't last season, either with or without Stockley. Unless there is a major change in personnel & tactics I don't see our current midfield/ wingers scoring more than a dozen between them. 
  • To be fair... Washington could have played like Messi at times, and I was a big fan of his.

    But if he was a big reason behind unrest in the dressing room then he had to go - We need chemistry amongst a squad.

    I've heard of one Manager (Might have been Wagner @ Huddersfield) who went into a club, and told the players to write down the names of those who they thought were disruptive in the dressing room - Was all kept confidential so the players didnt feel uncomfortable, but the handful that were listed, quietly got moved on to other clubs.

    Feel we need to do similar.
    Is that why Grant left them....😆
    Never laugh at your own jokes, especially if they are shit!
  • I’m not upset or surprised that Washington and all the others were let go, and I include Jackson in that. 

    Last year was dire, the football was the worst I’ve seen in years. 

    The year before that was not great and the second half of the year before that wasn’t too pretty.

    We have been in desperate need of a clear-out and that’s exactly what we’ve got, a clear-out that so many of you have been demanding. 

    The only things I’m disappointed with is the Innis extension and the possibility of Purrington getting another year.

    So, I’m amazed at why so many of you are upset? I appreciate that we don’t know who’ll we’ll get in, but the football can’t be any worse than last season. Anyone who went to the last game of the season (or any other game for the matter) will vouch for that.

    Finally, Davison wasn’t kept on over Washington, Davison was offered a new deal so we can sell him for a fee, any business man with half a brain would have done the same. 

    It’s only May the 12th, we’ve not yet had the cup final, the premier league is still ongoing and people on here are wetting the bed! Take a breath and relax for a couple of weeks.
  • Matthews gone good, hope Purrington is soon behind...
  • Redhenry said:
    Matthews gone good, hope Purrington is soon behind...
    Purrington is fine in a back 4 although I'd only want him as back up. 
  • I suppose that we've kept Inniss so that we can have a player win the PFA Players in the Community Award 2023.

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