Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
It's a private company and the investors could be loaning money at an interest rate of return rather than purchasing shares and receiving dividends/ seeking long term capital growth returns.
But investors could also be shareholders of course.
From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.
However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
I was told other shareholders, club employees very own words, not mine. My response was that it implies to me something interesting/announcement was going to happen, could be new manager, could be new kit deal launched etc, I got a no comment/don’t know. What they did say was that TS was aware of mistakes, specifically Fill The Valley, great idea, wrongly executed, and there is other recruitment going on behind the scenes in other areas to improve things.
The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.
Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martin
No problem Shooters, no disrespect to DA9 but all of it is hearsay isn't it. He knows someone at the club who has told him something they have heard etc etc.
The clubs website says TS is the sole owner and only director however you do not need to be a director to own shares so my money would be on his wife and possibly Martin.
Not somebody I know, all information given to me when I got the “why haven’t you renewed” call
The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.
Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martin
No problem Shooters, no disrespect to DA9 but all of it is hearsay isn't it. He knows someone at the club who has told him something they have heard etc etc.
The clubs website says TS is the sole owner and only director however you do not need to be a director to own shares so my money would be on his wife and possibly Martin.
Not somebody I know, all information given to me when I got the “why haven’t you renewed” call
Ah, sorry didn't realise that, that kind of weakens it further then as they might be trotting out lines like that to generate interest. However all will be revealed soon enough.
I was going to joke about him getting the name of Swindon’s captain wrong, but at this point he’s the only reliable ITK left in a sea full of wannabe Sausagedog’s
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.
However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.
Garner has a failure at Bristol Rovers and a partial success at Swindon on his record. That isn't to say he won't be a success but I would say there is as much chance JJ would have been. He didn't take long to find a League 2 job which is where Garner has come from. JJ had the advantage of being in post and having a better kowledge of the players. We can argue one way or the other but this was not appointing a Warburton or Wilder which you could then make a stronger case for a better chance of success.
If we didn't appoint Charlton managers from within we wouldn't have had Curbs or Bowyer and Powell was a Charlton man given a chance. Where are the examples of researched recruitments working out? Dowie, Peeters, Luzon, Slade? I'll take just one success if you can find one.
I was going to joke about him getting the name of Swindon’s captain wrong, but at this point he’s the only reliable ITK left in a sea full of wannabe Sausagedog’s
Any chance you could ask him to use capital letters when appropriate, making my teeth itch.
I was going to joke about him getting the name of Swindon’s captain wrong, but at this point he’s the only reliable ITK left in a sea full of wannabe Sausagedog’s
Firstly, I was dismayed by the abuse and negative comments about Ben Garner, he is a human being, first and foremost, and the abuse that he got from many initial posters (who were probably ignorant of his coaching career) was well out of order. I knew nothing about him ( apart from being Swindon manager) until I watched the Youtube podcast and got to know a little bit more about his football journey. I was impressed with his knowledge of coaching and his range of experience. Secondly, whoever we employ is a gamble, even experienced managers have changed jobs and failed, so nothing is guaranteed. Swimming in a small pond, it's a YES from me. (Happy to get shot down when we are in the relegation zone come November!)
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.
However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.
Garner has a failure at Bristol Rovers and a partial success at Swindon on his record. That isn't to say he won't be a success but I would say there is as much chance JJ would have been. He didn't take long to find a League 2 job which is where Garner has come from. JJ had the advantage of being in post and having a better kowledge of the players. We can argue one way or the other but this was not appointing a Warburton or Wilder which you could then make a stronger case for a better chance of success.
If we didn't appoint Charlton managers from within we wouldn't have had Curbs or Bowyer and Powell was a Charlton man given a chance. Where are the examples of researched recruitments working out? Dowie, Peeters, Luzon, Slade? I'll take just one success if you can find one.
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I know you won't answer this but....why do you go on one forum and spout one load of bullshit, then post on another boasting about said load of old bollocks whilst simultaneously spouting another load of waffle? I mean is your life really that sad?
I actually feel sorry for you, you sad sad human being.
From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.
However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.
Garner has a failure at Bristol Rovers and a partial success at Swindon on his record. That isn't to say he won't be a success but I would say there is as much chance JJ would have been. He didn't take long to find a League 2 job which is where Garner has come from. JJ had the advantage of being in post and having a better kowledge of the players. We can argue one way or the other but this was not appointing a Warburton or Wilder which you could then make a stronger case for a better chance of success.
If we didn't appoint Charlton managers from within we wouldn't have had Curbs or Bowyer and Powell was a Charlton man given a chance. Where are the examples of researched recruitments working out? Dowie, Peeters, Luzon, Slade? I'll take just one success if you can find one.
Indeed Garner did have a failure at Bristol Rovers, but I assume you’ve read about the mitigating circumstances surrounding that? Lots of successful managers have had failures in their careers.
Garner has also been part of a coaching set up with got Palace and West Brom into the top 10 in the premiership, and a Swindon team who started the season with 7 players a penalty away from the play off finals all whilst having the best attacking stats in the league (hardly what I would call a partial success).
All this alongside coaching across various youth groups, and working to get where he is now in terms of coaching for close to 20 years
JJ has had coaching success in his own right, but he also has had coaching failures and a much shorter and less defined and successful career.
Again, if it was a straight shoot out at another club for the vacant position, I am sure Garner would get it above JJ.
Also on this point has no other football team ever in the history of football had success under a manager who had no previous connection to the club?
Or, have some managers with previous connections to their clubs done well and some have not. And some managers who have not had connections with their clubs done well, and some haven’t?
When deciding who the next manager should be, that really should not be anywhere near the top of you list on why you would want to shortlist.
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I know you won't answer this but....why do you go on one forum and spout one load of bullshit, then post on another boasting about said load of old bollocks whilst simultaneously spouting another load of waffle? I mean is your life really that sad?
I actually feel sorry for you, you sad sad human being.
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I know you won't answer this but....why do you go on one forum and spout one load of bullshit, then post on another boasting about said load of old bollocks whilst simultaneously spouting another load of waffle? I mean is your life really that sad?
I actually feel sorry for you, you sad sad human being.
So you have to drag something up from 2015 to back your point up … and your calling someone else sad ……. Move on
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I know you won't answer this but....why do you go on one forum and spout one load of bullshit, then post on another boasting about said load of old bollocks whilst simultaneously spouting another load of waffle? I mean is your life really that sad?
I actually feel sorry for you, you sad sad human being.
So you have to drag something up from 2015 to back your point up … and your calling someone else sad ……. Move on
I don’t need to back up my point. Glad you have admitted to being Bexleyboy. I’ll move on now Colin. And it wasn’t me that called you sad.
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Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.
no one is ever getting a return on us, they're burning dough
We’ve been told enough times all an owner has to do is hire Peter Varney as CEO then sit back and watch the good times return.
Easy.
If we didn't appoint Charlton managers from within we wouldn't have had Curbs or Bowyer and Powell was a Charlton man given a chance. Where are the examples of researched recruitments working out? Dowie, Peeters, Luzon, Slade? I'll take just one success if you can find one.
I was impressed with his knowledge of coaching and his range of experience.
Secondly, whoever we employ is a gamble, even experienced managers have changed jobs and failed, so nothing is guaranteed. Swimming in a small pond, it's a YES from me. (Happy to get shot down when we are in the relegation zone come November!)
Nelson
Riga?
I actually feel sorry for you, you sad sad human being.
Or, have some managers with previous connections to their clubs done well and some have not. And some managers who have not had connections with their clubs done well, and some haven’t?
When deciding who the next manager should be, that really should not be anywhere near the top of you list on why you would want to shortlist.