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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Thanks, let’s wait and see then.👍DA9 said:
I was told other shareholders, club employees very own words, not mine.paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
My response was that it implies to me something interesting/announcement was going to happen, could be new manager, could be new kit deal launched etc, I got a no comment/don’t know.
What they did say was that TS was aware of mistakes, specifically Fill The Valley, great idea, wrongly executed, and there is other recruitment going on behind the scenes in other areas to improve things.1 -
It would be interesting to know. My guess is not very many at all!Chunes said:I don't understand how we can still be interviewing managers. How many bloody managers are we interviewing?0 -
👍RodneyCharltonTrotta said:paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
It's a private company and the investors could be loaning money at an interest rate of return rather than purchasing shares and receiving dividends/ seeking long term capital growth returns.
But investors could also be shareholders of course.0 -
That’s the reality isn’t it. We’d all have welcomed Paul Cook I think and a good case could have been made for the Cowleys. Anyone we appoint could only ever be a gamble. No idea if Garners will be our man but I’m hopeful he’ll bring new ideas and quality coaching which is something I think we’ve lacked for quite some time.killerandflash said:Nobody knows who will be successful.
I wasn't one of the Adkins supporters when he was appointed, but can hardly get too smug about it considering that my preferences around the time when Bowyer started losing the plot were Paul Cook who flopped at Ipswich and the Cowleys who've been average at Pompey.2 -
And talking of Fill The Valley, apparently, tickets are to be capped and only allocated in the blocks nearest the Jimmy Seed in the AC & west stands.5
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https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20168604.ben-garners-story-swindon/
Apologies if already posted. Good article1 -
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.0 -
From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.0
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Sorry, just seen lots of replies like this above.eaststandmike said:
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.0 -
Well I got a phone call this afternoon seeing if I would be interested in buying a hospitality package. We also discussed ST's as I've held off from buying one just yet.DA9 said:
I was told other shareholders, club employees very own words, not mine.paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
My response was that it implies to me something interesting/announcement was going to happen, could be new manager, could be new kit deal launched etc, I got a no comment/don’t know.
What they did say was that TS was aware of mistakes, specifically Fill The Valley, great idea, wrongly executed, and there is other recruitment going on behind the scenes in other areas to improve things.
So there is lots of "selling" going on atm......just a shame the club haven't really got a product to sell just yet. No manager & no new players to get excited about. Maybe in a month or twos time would be a better time to start asking these type of questions.1 -
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Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martineaststandmike said:
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.0 -
Good read thatcharltonman2016 said:https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/20168604.ben-garners-story-swindon/
Apologies if already posted. Good article0 -
No problem Shooters, no disrespect to DA9 but all of it is hearsay isn't it. He knows someone at the club who has told him something they have heard etc etc.ShootersHillGuru said:
Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martineaststandmike said:
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.
The clubs website says TS is the sole owner and only director however you do not need to be a director to own shares so my money would be on his wife and possibly Martin.1 -
Yeah its a good idea, so is the 4 free tickets per ST... although if I had a choice I'd rather have £50 off of the ST price. 20% off of food and drink before games is the best part of the new rewards, can probably safe half of the price over a year.DA9 said:And talking of Fill The Valley, apparently, tickets are to be capped and only allocated in the blocks nearest the Jimmy Seed in the AC & west stands.0 -
But nobody knows what advice sandgaard was given or if he went solo.carly burn said:
I think it's more to do with people presumably thinking Sandgaard took little advice again and acted on his own instinct, which is revealing itself to be pretty poor.Todds_right_hook said:
Bit of a bold statement when nobody knows why he was appointed over Taylor or Beale or how he interviewed compared to them.grumpyaddick said:Loving the faux loyalty and enthusiasm for the new coach no one had never heard of until five minutes ago but suddenly everyone now acknowledges as the next Klopp.
Big and totally unnecessary gamble from our owner if true at a time when he can't afford many more mistakes.
he has a better league 2 win rate than Taylor (okay, over less games) and has a similar coaching cv to Beale.
why is it an unnecessary gamble? This is football, aren't all appointments a gamble? Were curbishley, Lawrence, Powell and bowyer all gambles? As was Ferguson at Man U!
I don't know if garner is good or not, time will tell. Just because he was under the radar, is he less of a gamble than Taylor?
He really didn't help himself with his delusions of premier League and European football as his first utterings when he walked through the door.
People tend to remember those sort of things, and when you're scratching around looking for managers and you come up with a non descript fella who did ok in league 2 it makes those statement evermore baffling.0 -
Probably talking about Martin SandgaardRodneyCharltonTrotta said:paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
It's a private company and the investors could be loaning money at an interest rate of return rather than purchasing shares and receiving dividends/ seeking long term capital growth returns.
But investors could also be shareholders of course.0 -
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.MuttleyCAFC said:From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.11 -
You must be new here.paulfox said:
Thanks, let’s wait and see then.👍DA9 said:
I was told other shareholders, club employees very own words, not mine.paulfox said:Are shareholders and investors the same?, if not DA9 said shareholders. Is this less exciting news than if it were investors?.
My response was that it implies to me something interesting/announcement was going to happen, could be new manager, could be new kit deal launched etc, I got a no comment/don’t know.
What they did say was that TS was aware of mistakes, specifically Fill The Valley, great idea, wrongly executed, and there is other recruitment going on behind the scenes in other areas to improve things.0 -
investors lol
no one is ever getting a return on us, they're burning dough4 -
Disagree.oohaahmortimer said:investors lol
no one is ever getting a return on us, they're burning dough
We’ve been told enough times all an owner has to do is hire Peter Varney as CEO then sit back and watch the good times return.
Easy.25 -
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Not somebody I know, all information given to me when I got the “why haven’t you renewed” calleaststandmike said:
No problem Shooters, no disrespect to DA9 but all of it is hearsay isn't it. He knows someone at the club who has told him something they have heard etc etc.ShootersHillGuru said:
Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martineaststandmike said:
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.
The clubs website says TS is the sole owner and only director however you do not need to be a director to own shares so my money would be on his wife and possibly Martin.3 -
A new manager signing isn’t that close then ! Typical Charlton1
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Trust in the sausage.35 -
Ah, sorry didn't realise that, that kind of weakens it further then as they might be trotting out lines like that to generate interest. However all will be revealed soon enough.DA9 said:
Not somebody I know, all information given to me when I got the “why haven’t you renewed” calleaststandmike said:
No problem Shooters, no disrespect to DA9 but all of it is hearsay isn't it. He knows someone at the club who has told him something they have heard etc etc.ShootersHillGuru said:
Yes I got the quote wrong. Mea culpa. Still it’s interesting ? because it’s an odd comment if it means wifey and Martineaststandmike said:
He said "other shareholders" indicating they are existing people who already own shares, probably his wife and Martin.ShootersHillGuru said:The thing that’s interesting me most now is the comment by DA9 that Sandgaard is coming over with “other investors” Am I missing something because I thought TS was the sole owner ?
"Other Investors" would indicate new money but that is not what DA9 said.
The clubs website says TS is the sole owner and only director however you do not need to be a director to own shares so my money would be on his wife and possibly Martin.0 -
I was going to joke about him getting the name of Swindon’s captain wrong, but at this point he’s the only reliable ITK left in a sea full of wannabe Sausagedog’sElliotCAFC said:Trust in the sausage.5 -
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first7
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I won’t rest happy until someone makes a song up for next season for Ben Garner using the classic Informer by Snow as the backing.8
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Garner has a failure at Bristol Rovers and a partial success at Swindon on his record. That isn't to say he won't be a success but I would say there is as much chance JJ would have been. He didn't take long to find a League 2 job which is where Garner has come from. JJ had the advantage of being in post and having a better kowledge of the players. We can argue one way or the other but this was not appointing a Warburton or Wilder which you could then make a stronger case for a better chance of success.FishCostaFortune said:
You could say that any manager that we were linked with could have been better, the same or worse than JJ.MuttleyCAFC said:From my perspective, Garner could be better, the same or worse than JJ. As JJ wasn't given a chance to fail I don't know. I hope he is better of course, but I don't think anybody can know that yet which makes sacking JJ a bit silly IMO. Having said that, it will cost Sandgaard more if he does get it wrong and its his money. I will get behind Garner and hope he is the man for the job.However at the end of the day if there was an vacant position for a club, and both Garner and JJ were going for it I would expect 99% of the time Garner would get it.
Garner has way, way, way more successful coaching experience across the board then JJ. If you listen to that podcast or read about him, he is from the Beale mould, a real student of the coaching game, who has worked tirelessly to get himself into this position, by going through the age groups and by completing committing himself to everything about coaching.
To add to this he also has a successful body or work behind him especially on coaching sides to perform well above expectations.
So I really can’t see how it’s a silly decision.
If we didn't appoint Charlton managers from within we wouldn't have had Curbs or Bowyer and Powell was a Charlton man given a chance. Where are the examples of researched recruitments working out? Dowie, Peeters, Luzon, Slade? I'll take just one success if you can find one.0 -
Any chance you could ask him to use capital letters when appropriate, making my teeth itch.ElliotCAFC said:
I was going to joke about him getting the name of Swindon’s captain wrong, but at this point he’s the only reliable ITK left in a sea full of wannabe Sausagedog’sElliotCAFC said:Trust in the sausage.2 -
What I want to know is there 110 other people with sausagedog as their handle that he had to be sausagedog1114
