Best we can hope for is a strong loan for a striker - ideally someone that can hold the ball up and run channels / be a threat in behind , like the guy with pink hair used to. Ideally someone that can play left or right too
So that is where we are. Fucking Wycombe could have a bigger budget than us . There average attendance is a4 blokes , a dog and 30 sheep in the pasture at the cack of the
Budgets are calculated on No of sheep at the ground?
That explains it because nothing linked to finances could explain it.
This can't be right surely? Not the sheep bit!
It might be true if their owner DONATES huge sums of money to them to count as turnover. Anyone know?
I assume they don't get parachute payments for dropping out of the Championship two seasons ago?
I suppose their players could be earning next to naff all, but overall the budget is what it is and they're wages are part of it, so the level is unaltered by that
This must be a red herring! Our budget must be bigger.
Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich and Barnsley will all have bigger budgets. Possibly even Pompey, Peterborough and Wycombe too.
I would Imagine Bolton’s is bigger this season too. I think when you consider , our gate receipts must be in the top 6 , the income we have had from player sell ons due to having the best academy in the league and the fact Thomas is supposed to be worth a bob or two then it’s easy to feel our budget isn’t what it perhaps should be.
Saying that there there part of it where I think it’s very sensible trying to run the club in a sustainable way. It does make just slightly frustrated when the likes of Derby, Wigan, Bolton and Sheffield have basically cheated by over spending and not being sensible but then when they do get new owners they are seemingly doing the same thing again
It's two completely different things.
Your gate receipts basically say how much your allowed to spend.
The generosity, or other wise, of the owner says how much you can spend.
We lose money before we even pay the players, Accrington don't lose money after they have paid them.
There is no sensible way to run Charlton in league 1. The only consideration is how much you lose and how quickly.
I agree but I get the impression Thomas feels he can make money in this division somehow however deluded that might be.
That won't last long because we won't pay for moribund drifting in this division. Customers tend to be more mobile these days and our 'success ' is wearing thin for my liking .
Best we can hope for is a strong loan for a striker - ideally someone that can hold the ball up and run channels / be a threat in behind , like the guy with pink hair used to. Ideally someone that can play left or right too
Why is it the best we can hope for exactly?
Because we clearly don’t have the money to buy a good league 1 striker .
Best we can hope for is a strong loan for a striker - ideally someone that can hold the ball up and run channels / be a threat in behind , like the guy with pink hair used to. Ideally someone that can play left or right too
Why is it the best we can hope for exactly?
Because we clearly don’t have the money to buy a good league 1 striker .
You're right.
WE don't have the money for anything.
Thomas Sandgaard however, will be willing to find the money as he's shown a few times.
Everyone* wanted Stockley permanently and we paid a reasonable fee for him and he's done reasonably well for us, though it is now clear that his hip/back condition has severely hampered him.
(*except me, I didn't like his lack of running, but prior to his injury last season he showed more willing)
Crazy how competitive league one has become. It used to be that you'd only have to slightly have your shit together to be in with a chance. Now there's a bunch of teams spending big just to get out.
Derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Ipswich and Barnsley will all have bigger budgets. Possibly even Pompey, Peterborough and Wycombe too.
Barnsley have nothing. Despite having a rich owner they do everything based on actual income as the owner doesn't want to put anything in, and at last check they were £8m in the red despite selling their best players and signing basically no decent players. Going to be a tough year for them if they don't do some good work before the window closes
Best we can hope for is a strong loan for a striker - ideally someone that can hold the ball up and run channels / be a threat in behind , like the guy with pink hair used to. Ideally someone that can play left or right too
Why is it the best we can hope for exactly?
Because we clearly don’t have the money to buy a good league 1 striker .
Why’s it clear? Is it because we haven’t spoken publicly about having loads of money to spend? Do you think that’s wise? Or is it better to just not saying anything so we don’t get stung in negotiations.
Sheffield Wednesday are sponsored by their owners company so will have a significantly inflated income through that.
Didn’t they get done for that though? When he set up a taxi company and used it to sponsor them even though the company didn’t own any taxis
Yes I think it was part of the reason for their punishment but why else would they still have Chansiri as the sponsor unless he was putting more money in than they'd receive from a regular sponsorhsip? I don't think there's much doubt that Wednesday will continue to bend the rules, they'll just be more careful about it this time.
Sheffield Wednesday are sponsored by their owners company so will have a significantly inflated income through that.
Didn’t they get done for that though? When he set up a taxi company and used it to sponsor them even though the company didn’t own any taxis
IIRC, a "cab for Carbone" arrived at half time during a Wednesday match some years ago, but I couldn't tell you the name of the Cab firm, and it predated Mr Chansiri's time.
So that is where we are. Fucking Wycombe could have a bigger budget than us . There average attendance is a4 blokes , a dog and 30 sheep in the pasture at the cack of the ground.
If Wycombe do have a bigger budget than us, apart from being gifted a large sum by their owner, there are other factors. Unless it's been recently modified, this is how the system is applied:
The EFL also operates a Parachute Payment system within the EFL Leagues and the National League. From 2016-17 season onwards payments are:
Clubs relegated from the EFL Championship receive 11.1% of the Basic Award payment to Championship clubs for one season.
Clubs relegated from EFL League One receive 12.6% of the Basic Award payment to League One clubs for one season.
Clubs relegated from EFL League Two receive 100% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the first year following relegation, and 50% of the equivalent Basic Award payment made to League Two clubs in the second year following relegation.[10]
Solidarity payments
Clubs within the EFL who are not eligible for Parachute Payments receive Solidarity Payments. These are calculated as a percentage of the third year Parachute Payment amount a club relegated from the Premier League would receive (currently 20% of the equally shared element of Premier League broadcasting rights). This percentage drops progressively for each EFL league – 30% in the EFL Championship, 4.5% in EFL League One, and 3% in EFL League Two.[6]
I still remember when he first started signing players for fees and putting people on long-term contracts and it felt brilliant, since Roland hadn't done that in forever.
So why is it now not enough? And what will be enough?
I still remember when he first started signing players for fees and putting people on long-term contracts and it felt brilliant, since Roland hadn't done that in forever.
So why is it now not enough? And what will be enough?
Roland paid a fee and a long term contract with it in his last window he owned us.....
From what we know about other teams were fourth highest. Don't think we are third right now but it's a moving target how much other teams spend of course. Other than that it is really nobody's business....
Spoke to ts we have 4th biggest budget in league 1
Why do you feel the need to run and ask him things like this, it's pretty sad to be honest
"Run and ask him"???
People have been debating where our budget sits so someone asked the owner who said 4th.
That sounds about right to me but it depends on your view on TS (and Chev) and his honesty.
Not sure why it's "sad" to add info to the debate.
Thomas will tell you what ever you want to here, doesn't mean it's true, there's no way we have the 4th biggest budget, not with derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Barnsley, Ipswich, Peterborough, Wycombe, Bolton and Portsmouth, so I would imagine that another lie
Spoke to ts we have 4th biggest budget in league 1
Why do you feel the need to run and ask him things like this, it's pretty sad to be honest
"Run and ask him"???
People have been debating where our budget sits so someone asked the owner who said 4th.
That sounds about right to me but it depends on your view on TS (and Chev) and his honesty.
Not sure why it's "sad" to add info to the debate.
Thomas will tell you what ever you want to here, doesn't mean it's true, there's no way we have the 4th biggest budget, not with derby, Sheffield Wednesday, Barnsley, Ipswich, Peterborough, Wycombe, Bolton and Portsmouth, so I would imagine that another lie
That, or we're massively overpaying current squad members
Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted.
Anyway back to talking about transfers instead of budgets. We know we are looking to upgrade at wide forward/winger and fullback, my biggest fear is that we aren’t looking at another center half. I just don’t think some combination of innis, O’Connell and Lavelle is good enough to get promoted.
Garner mentioned bringing in one or two attacking options, I don’t think he confirmed we’re after a full back? I think a CB is more likely given we only have three senior players there.
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It might be true if their owner DONATES huge sums of money to them to count as turnover. Anyone know?
I assume they don't get parachute payments for dropping out of the Championship two seasons ago?
I suppose their players could be earning next to naff all, but overall the budget is what it is and they're wages are part of it, so the level is unaltered by that
This must be a red herring! Our budget must be bigger.
WE don't have the money for anything.
Thomas Sandgaard however, will be willing to find the money as he's shown a few times.
Everyone* wanted Stockley permanently and we paid a reasonable fee for him and he's done reasonably well for us, though it is now clear that his hip/back condition has severely hampered him.
(*except me, I didn't like his lack of running, but prior to his injury last season he showed more willing)
If Wycombe do have a bigger budget than us, apart from being gifted a large sum by their owner, there are other factors. Unless it's been recently modified, this is how the system is applied:
The EFL also operates a Parachute Payment system within the EFL Leagues and the National League. From 2016-17 season onwards payments are:
Solidarity payments
Clubs within the EFL who are not eligible for Parachute Payments receive Solidarity Payments. These are calculated as a percentage of the third year Parachute Payment amount a club relegated from the Premier League would receive (currently 20% of the equally shared element of Premier League broadcasting rights). This percentage drops progressively for each EFL league – 30% in the EFL Championship, 4.5% in EFL League One, and 3% in EFL League Two.[6]
(million)
(million)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_parachute_and_solidarity_payments#:~:text=Clubs relegated from the EFL,One clubs for one season.
So why is it now not enough? And what will be enough?
People have been debating where our budget sits so someone asked the owner who said 4th.
That sounds about right to me but it depends on your view on TS (and Chev) and his honesty.
Not sure why it's "sad" to add info to the debate.