I too think JFC is above League 2, but if he does end up at Orient I think it highlights how massively inflated people’s opinions of him are for us.
Of course, we can argue circumstances at his stage of life re: moving home etc, but to end up at Orient would be a pretty sizeable statement as to how overhyped he’s been
Obviously everyone is entitled to opinions on players it would be pretty boring if everyone always agreed but personally I am gutted that he won't get the chance to prove his fitness here. He isn't without blame to why though.
I do find it strange though that people are writing him off without actually seeing him play again, yet people were prepared to have a melt down when it was suggested Dobson might not start last week.
Remember they are the last two POTY and actually JFC got a higher statbank mark, in a better team than Dobson did.
I’ve just never got the hype and I do appreciate I’m in the minority as the general consensus is that most people I would imagine would like to see him play.
As you say it’s just different opinions. I certainly think he’s an okay player for this level, but nothing more. I might be judging him too harshly given the 2 knee injuries, but I just never took to him, even before the injuries.
i agree - jfc was neat and tidy, nothing more
Versatile , could pass through the lines , could score goals if playing further forward .
I really think this thread needs to get past its obsession with JFC. It’s pretty clear he’s not in Garners plans and the club are trying to shift him out. He’ll be gone in a few weeks thank god and we can talk about something more relevant.
I really think this thread needs to get past its obsession with JFC. It’s pretty clear he’s not in Garners plans and the club are trying to shift him out. He’ll be gone in a few weeks thank god and we can talk about something more relevant.
We are going to sell our best player and bring in a freebee from league 2? Wait a moment while I go on twitter and tag Thomas and have a complete meltdown.
I really think this thread needs to get past its obsession with JFC. It’s pretty clear he’s not in Garners plans and the club are trying to shift him out. He’ll be gone in a few weeks thank god and we can talk about something more relevant.
We are going to sell our best player and bring in a freebee from league 2? Wait a moment while I go on twitter and tag Thomas and have a complete meltdown.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
And while Liverpool's hated rivals Man U are a shambles, Palace are 2 divisions higher than us, and Millwall 1 division higher!
I too think JFC is above League 2, but if he does end up at Orient I think it highlights how massively inflated people’s opinions of him are for us.
Of course, we can argue circumstances at his stage of life re: moving home etc, but to end up at Orient would be a pretty sizeable statement as to how overhyped he’s been
Obviously everyone is entitled to opinions on players it would be pretty boring if everyone always agreed but personally I am gutted that he won't get the chance to prove his fitness here. He isn't without blame to why though.
I do find it strange though that people are writing him off without actually seeing him play again, yet people were prepared to have a melt down when it was suggested Dobson might not start last week.
Remember they are the last two POTY and actually JFC got a higher statbank mark, in a better team than Dobson did.
I’ve just never got the hype and I do appreciate I’m in the minority as the general consensus is that most people I would imagine would like to see him play.
As you say it’s just different opinions. I certainly think he’s an okay player for this level, but nothing more. I might be judging him too harshly given the 2 knee injuries, but I just never took to him, even before the injuries.
i agree - jfc was neat and tidy, nothing more
Versatile , could pass through the lines , could score goals if playing further forward .
It always amazes me how some people don't put enough value on this when it is fundamental to the game.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
This.
I appreciate the video is supposed to be a parody but you can only really laugh at it if you are one of the top dogs. When you finished 13th in League 1 last season & the owner keeps going on about top budgets & getting out of this league then you are (imo) allowed a bit of a moan if what you see in front of you doesnt really look good enough.
Fwiw - I'm off to the match today (cut my holiday short) & looking forward to seeing the start of a new era.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
Fair point, albeit not a quote from me. I get the general point and it’s valid to an extent, but let’s not compare it to the likes of Liverpool which is to be frank, ridiculous.
Impression I get from the video, is that fans are too pent up, and focused these days over Transfers.
Too busy complaining about X, Y, Z playing, saying who we should sign... continuously throughout the season, as the moment we hit September, there will be fans of clubs saying that they need X, Y, Z come the January window - Just try and enjoy the actual Football - Results of course arent always going to go the way we want, but for me thats the unpredictable nature of the sport as a whole, thats one reason why I love this game.
I mean the quotes from Mr Mendez about budget has been talked about now
Surely last season (when we probably had the third / fourth biggest), and our result last week, proved that budgets mean diddly squat down here.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
It's strange, though. I flicked through some previous summer transfer threads from the Roland/ESI days, back when we couldn't even field a complete team and didn't know when or what quality of player we'd be signing, and it was still less miserable than it is now.
I think there was an element of acceptance back then? Everyone gave the management team 100% support in the knowledge that they were doing their best in difficult circumstances, and there was nothing we could do about it. We just hoped for better days.
Now we do have an owner who cares, and it hasn't yet resulted in an improved league performance, but the mood is even more miserable than when it all felt hopeless. The 100% support mantra is gone as well.
Almost as predictable as someone like you using a video about Liverpool to dig out Charlton fans
Alright alright keep your hair on, it’s just a bit of fun.
IMO it’s a video about the nature football fans and human beings. Liverpool are the best example to use because, while being a recognisable name across the world, they have also seen undeniable success in recent years. And yet their fans still can’t stop themselves.
If we want to get into a measuring competition about which fanbase has it worst at this exact moment in time, there’s plenty of candidates before there’s CAFC.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
It's strange, though. I flicked through some previous summer transfer threads from the Roland/ESI days, back when we couldn't even field a complete team and didn't know when or what quality of player we'd be signing, and it was still less miserable than it is now.
I think there was an element of acceptance back then? Everyone gave the management team 100% support in the knowledge that they were doing their best in difficult circumstances, and there was nothing we could do about it. We just hoped for better days.
Now we do have an owner who cares, and it hasn't yet resulted in an improved league performance, but the mood is even more miserable than when it all felt hopeless. The 100% support mantra is gone as well.
I think the dynamic is much more merky and shades of grey now, especially if you contrast it with 18/19.
Then it was us, Bowyer and Gallen against Roland, little Thomas and the world. The same was true with ESI.
Once Thomas was the cast as the Knight in shining armour Bowyer and to a lesser extent Gallen started getting stick. If there had been a crowd it would have massively turned on Bowyer and the players. Not on Thomas.
Last summers blame was very firmly laid at the door of Roddy and Adkins, rightly or wrongly. Very very quickly. The crowd turned after the 2nd home game of the season. I have never seen that before, especially when you consider how well we finished the previous season.
It flipped back as soon as Jackson got the job, it helped that we started winning as well.
Now we can't blame anyone else other than the incumbents. All the has beens and never wases have been released.
I admit the above is a summery of the mood, not everyone's, including mine, opinions at the time.
Personally now feel the events between May 2021 and May 2022 was a massively missed opportunity. That was caused by reasons other than lack of investment or ambition. What really worries me, being honest, is I don't think "they" know what they did wrong, or even think they did anything wrong at all.
I am not angry, I am disappointed. Sometimes that's worse.
This is the beginning of my 58th season of watching the Addicks. Over this time I have developed a 6th sense about how we are likely to fare in the upcoming season and in the past 20 years I have rarely been wrong. When I have sensed an upturn in our fortunes I have invariably placed a bet for the season (Outright Winners, Promotion or both). I don't bet at any other time. When I fear a disappointing season ahead I simply don't place a bet. I did not bet in the last two seasons. However, this season I have placed two bets (£50 @ 28-1 Outright Winners and £50 @ 7-1 Promotion). Over the past 15 years I'm up by c£2,600. Who knows how this season will pan out, but I'm certainly not as negative as some and I have put my money where my mouth is. I'm quietly confident that this will turn out to be a much better season than some here fear.
Jus a genuinely pleasant post to read. With the way we're set up and the squad we have it'll either come together or it won't. All we have in the meantime is hope. Fingers crossed that you're quids in by the end of the season.
Have you developed a 6th sense too?
Sometimes watching cafe is like watching the walking dead
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
It doesn't take 3 seasons to turn around a football club, especially when the club is below it's natural level. Wigan rebuilt their side in one summer and got promotion straight away, whereas we made a horlicks of it and went backwards from what had been a decent team at the end of 20/21. Bolton rebuilt in L2, got promotion straight away, had a decent season in L1 and now look better equipped to challenge for promotion than we do.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
It doesn't take 3 seasons to turn around a football club, especially when the club is below it's natural level. Wigan rebuilt their side in one summer and got promotion straight away, whereas we made a horlicks of it and went backwards from what had been a decent team at the end of 20/21. Bolton rebuilt in L2, got promotion straight away, had a decent season in L1 and now look better equipped to challenge for promotion than we do.
I don't know... Seems like some of our fanbase have forgotten about trying to enjoy the football or the start of a new season and instead spend all day moaning about the owner/transfers. I thought it was just us but I guess it's happening at every club.
Little bit easier to enjoy the football when you’re one of the best teams in the world. Whilst just down the road Charlton are conceding a 96th min equaliser at Accrington Stanley…
"All I want is an owner who cares so I can just go back to watching the football."
I think the response would have been completely different if the narrative had been:
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
It doesn't take 3 seasons to turn around a football club, especially when the club is below it's natural level. Wigan rebuilt their side in one summer and got promotion straight away, whereas we made a horlicks of it and went backwards from what had been a decent team at the end of 20/21. Bolton rebuilt in L2, got promotion straight away, had a decent season in L1 and now look better equipped to challenge for promotion than we do.
There isn't a blueprint either way.
24-teams, even ten teams into three positions just doesnt work - Portsmouth are example of a team that have recovered and are still waiting.
Impression I get from the video, is that fans are too pent up, and focused these days over Transfers.
Too busy complaining about X, Y, Z playing, saying who we should sign... continuously throughout the season, as the moment we hit September, there will be fans of clubs saying that they need X, Y, Z come the January window - Just try and enjoy the actual Football - Results of course arent always going to go the way we want, but for me thats the unpredictable nature of the sport as a whole, thats one reason why I love this game.
I mean the quotes from Mr Mendez about budget has been talked about now
Surely last season (when we probably had the third / fourth biggest), and our result last week, proved that budgets mean diddly squat down here.
Well said! Obviously for some that pre-season trepidation is overwhelming and they over state the negatives. You don’t hear from the silent majority who are genuinely excited about this season irrespective of our actual chances.
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I appreciate the video is supposed to be a parody but you can only really laugh at it if you are one of the top dogs. When you finished 13th in League 1 last season & the owner keeps going on about top budgets & getting out of this league then you are (imo) allowed a bit of a moan if what you see in front of you doesnt really look good enough.
Fwiw - I'm off to the match today (cut my holiday short) & looking forward to seeing the start of a new era.
”Great video but I’m gonna keep moaning anyway”
Too busy complaining about X, Y, Z playing, saying who we should sign... continuously throughout the season, as the moment we hit September, there will be fans of clubs saying that they need X, Y, Z come the January window - Just try and enjoy the actual Football - Results of course arent always going to go the way we want, but for me thats the unpredictable nature of the sport as a whole, thats one reason why I love this game.
I mean the quotes from Mr Mendez about budget has been talked about now
Surely last season (when we probably had the third / fourth biggest), and our result last week, proved that budgets mean diddly squat down here.
"The whole club is fucked, from top to bottom, it's going to take 2 maybe 3 years to fix. We won't always get it right but it won't be through lack of trying. It wont be easy but we will get there".
I genuinely think last season was a massive kick in the bollocks for everyone, including TS. I honestly believe he thought we had a "title winning" squad.
I think there was an element of acceptance back then? Everyone gave the management team 100% support in the knowledge that they were doing their best in difficult circumstances, and there was nothing we could do about it. We just hoped for better days.
Now we do have an owner who cares, and it hasn't yet resulted in an improved league performance, but the mood is even more miserable than when it all felt hopeless. The 100% support mantra is gone as well.
IMO it’s a video about the nature football fans and human beings. Liverpool are the best example to use because, while being a recognisable name across the world, they have also seen undeniable success in recent years. And yet their fans still can’t stop themselves.
If we want to get into a measuring competition about which fanbase has it worst at this exact moment in time, there’s plenty of candidates before there’s CAFC.
Then it was us, Bowyer and Gallen against Roland, little Thomas and the world. The same was true with ESI.
Once Thomas was the cast as the Knight in shining armour Bowyer and to a lesser extent Gallen started getting stick. If there had been a crowd it would have massively turned on Bowyer and the players. Not on Thomas.
Last summers blame was very firmly laid at the door of Roddy and Adkins, rightly or wrongly. Very very quickly. The crowd turned after the 2nd home game of the season. I have never seen that before, especially when you consider how well we finished the previous season.
It flipped back as soon as Jackson got the job, it helped that we started winning as well.
Now we can't blame anyone else other than the incumbents. All the has beens and never wases have been released.
I admit the above is a summery of the mood, not everyone's, including mine, opinions at the time.
Personally now feel the events between May 2021 and May 2022 was a massively missed opportunity. That was caused by reasons other than lack of investment or ambition. What really worries me, being honest, is I don't think "they" know what they did wrong, or even think they did anything wrong at all.
I am not angry, I am disappointed. Sometimes that's worse.
24-teams, even ten teams into three positions just doesnt work - Portsmouth are example of a team that have recovered and are still waiting.
“Great video but I won’t be able to enjoy it until we sign some ****ing players!”