I like JFC as a player but I’ve always felt he was overhyped. He clearly has a great footballing brain and a lot of talent but physically his body isn’t at the same level. Sadly the injuries will exacerbate this. He,ll look good in L2 until he gets clattered a few times and then will continue his way down the pyramid.
I always felt JFC and Amos were both under hyped because they weren't Cullen and Phillips. I think the statbanks for 20/21 and 17/18 back that up. Not to mention how much we missed them last season.
The constant stream of negativity again on this forum is just SHIT. No you cannot call it realism - it's not happened yet and it's equally realistic right now that we will do either better, the same as or worse than last season. You're all just being constant mood sponges on here to make yourselves feel better about being miserable in general.
That's all.
it’s easy to be negative, love the doom, and claim the upside
I too think JFC is above League 2, but if he does end up at Orient I think it highlights how massively inflated people’s opinions of him are for us.
Of course, we can argue circumstances at his stage of life re: moving home etc, but to end up at Orient would be a pretty sizeable statement as to how overhyped he’s been
Obviously everyone is entitled to opinions on players it would be pretty boring if everyone always agreed but personally I am gutted that he won't get the chance to prove his fitness here. He isn't without blame to why though.
I do find it strange though that people are writing him off without actually seeing him play again, yet people were prepared to have a melt down when it was suggested Dobson might not start last week.
Remember they are the last two POTY and actually JFC got a higher statbank mark, in a better team than Dobson did.
I’ve just never got the hype and I do appreciate I’m in the minority as the general consensus is that most people I would imagine would like to see him play.
As you say it’s just different opinions. I certainly think he’s an okay player for this level, but nothing more. I might be judging him too harshly given the 2 knee injuries, but I just never took to him, even before the injuries.
This is the beginning of my 58th season of watching the Addicks. Over this time I have developed a 6th sense about how we are likely to fare in the upcoming season and in the past 20 years I have rarely been wrong. When I have sensed an upturn in our fortunes I have invariably placed a bet for the season (Outright Winners, Promotion or both). I don't bet at any other time. When I fear a disappointing season ahead I simply don't place a bet. I did not bet in the last two seasons. However, this season I have placed two bets (£50 @ 28-1 Outright Winners and £50 @ 7-1 Promotion). Over the past 15 years I'm up by c£2,600. Who knows how this season will pan out, but I'm certainly not as negative as some and I have put my money where my mouth is. I'm quietly confident that this will turn out to be a much better season than some here fear.
I've got £775 on top half.
At what odds?
£400 8/13 £375 4/6
Not bad although with our next 6 games including Derby, Wednesday, Plymouth, Bolton and Wycombe I could see those odds lengthening further if we don't bring in some star dust quick so might hold off and see if I get better then
This is the beginning of my 58th season of watching the Addicks. Over this time I have developed a 6th sense about how we are likely to fare in the upcoming season and in the past 20 years I have rarely been wrong. When I have sensed an upturn in our fortunes I have invariably placed a bet for the season (Outright Winners, Promotion or both). I don't bet at any other time. When I fear a disappointing season ahead I simply don't place a bet. I did not bet in the last two seasons. However, this season I have placed two bets (£50 @ 28-1 Outright Winners and £50 @ 7-1 Promotion). Over the past 15 years I'm up by c£2,600. Who knows how this season will pan out, but I'm certainly not as negative as some and I have put my money where my mouth is. I'm quietly confident that this will turn out to be a much better season than some here fear.
I've got £775 on top half.
At what odds?
£400 8/13 £375 4/6
Not bad although with our next 6 games including Derby, Wednesday, Plymouth, Bolton and Wycombe I could see those odds lengthening further if we don't bring in some star dust quick so might hold off and see if I get better then
We’ll certainly have a bloody good idea of where our seasons headed after playing that lot.
Ball park means close to but I'm going to guess more like 7th or 8th in the division now.
I've got quite confused how these budget restrictions relative to turnover kick in, that's unless Thomas effectively 'donates' money to us, which he doesn't.
It doesn't surprise me that our budget isn't top three based on turnover and so I think you're probably right.
TS is getting his retaliation in first. If things don't turn out well he is not the bad guy if he can convince us money was not the issue. BG gone by Xmas if we have a poor start? After all, apparently he has a top 3 budget to work with.
Big money don't mean promotion, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don't know how and where to spend it, it means f all. We ain't done too bad with the signings so far, and listening to Ben's pre Derby interview, he sounds upbeat with how things are going with a couple of potential new signings, so every confidence that we will get what we want sorted soon enough..panic not everybody...
I understand that a top 3 budget should roughly equate to a top 3 finish in general terms, but we also have to take into account that the team that finished last season (regardless of the budget), finished 13th. So you’re already having to make up for the gap that existed.
TS is getting his retaliation in first. If things don't turn out well he is not the bad guy if he can convince us money was not the issue. BG gone by Xmas if we have a poor start? After all, apparently he has a top 3 budget to work with.
And then went out of this way to big up Martin for "finding" Garner 🤷♂️🤷♂️
I understand that a top 3 budget should roughly equate to a top 3 finish in general terms, but we also have to take into account that the team that finished last season (regardless of the budget), finished 13th. So you’re already having to make up for the gap that existed.
I would forget about transfer fees in thinking about it. Such a high % of league 1 transfers are frees or loans.
A top 3 budget doesn't mean a top 3 finish, but it sure helps! Ipswich were the outlier last season, but the likes of Wigan, Sunderland and Wednesday all finished in the top 5 last season. The 2011/12 and 2018/19 promotion sides would both have been near the top of the table for wages.
It's obvious we're spending less this summer from our signings, when we've signed 4 players who were all playing in L2 last season, and 1 from Lincoln who won't be near the top of the salary scale either.
Both could very easily be true. Clearly Wednesday and Derby are spending more than anyone did last year. The players who Derby have brought in this summer will be on at least 2-3 times anything we are paying.
So shock horror, both Garner and TS could be telling the truth.
Both could very easily be true. Clearly Wednesday and Derby are spending more than anyone did last year. The players who Derby have brought in this summer will be on at least 2-3 times anything we are paying.
So shock horror, both Garner and TS could be telling the truth.
I agree , but I suspect Ipswich are paying over the odds as well.
I suspect we are probably top six with Barnsley and Peterborough potentially out gunning us also.
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It doesn't surprise me that our budget isn't top three based on turnover and so I think you're probably right.
BG gone by Xmas if we have a poor start? After all, apparently he has a top 3 budget to work with.
It didn't get them promoted.
We ain't done too bad with the signings so far, and listening to Ben's pre Derby interview, he sounds upbeat with how things are going with a couple of potential new signings, so every confidence that we will get what we want sorted soon enough..panic not everybody...
Wigan spent less than us on fees last season.
The metric that matters is wages.
It's obvious we're spending less this summer from our signings, when we've signed 4 players who were all playing in L2 last season, and 1 from Lincoln who won't be near the top of the salary scale either.
So shock horror, both Garner and TS could be telling the truth.
I suspect we are probably top six with Barnsley and Peterborough potentially out gunning us also.
How other budgets compare is another thing but I suspect the three relegated clubs plus Derby and Wednesday have bigger budgets.
I was more interested that Garner was finally wearing a club top and, since this is the rumours thread, that he said two players were close.
Assuming JRS is one and Sarr is the other
Ince expecting Naby to be confirmed next week.
https://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-huddersfield-charlton-naby-sarr-24667216
We've been playing the long game