How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
Because he's a better player than he's shown while here. Blackpool probably see an opportunity to pick up a talented player at a cut rate price.
Exactly. Personally find it very frustrating that he's attracting interest and will, more than likely, go on to be a half decent Championship player, that we could only dream about, in just a few months.
this... I would not sell him. The kid clearly has a lot of tallent, just isnt showing it at the moment. If we change formation and play 4-2-3-1, he would be one of my first picks for out wide. Give him a run in the team in his proper position and i think it would be a different story
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Hardly a panic buy Bowyer tired to sign him the previous window .. he was always one of our top targets
How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
because he an excellent player his stats are second to none... think we will regret this one... championship sides interested perhaps we should be looking to get the best and the potential out of him for Charlton... not giving up on him just because a change of system
I like him from what little I have seen of him, but his stats are second to many, especially at this level.
How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
Because he's a better player than he's shown while here. Blackpool probably see an opportunity to pick up a talented player at a cut rate price.
Exactly. Personally find it very frustrating that he's attracting interest and will, more than likely, go on to be a half decent Championship player, that we could only dream about, in just a few months.
Yup - I would only be agreeing to a loan at this point.
A move back up that way could be exactly what he needs to get his mojo back. Either he does well and his value shoots up ahead of the summer, or he doesn't get much game time and we're back to square one on what to do. What I definitely wouldn't be agreeing to is a six figure fee loss in 4 months.
I said above could we swap him for a player in a position that we need ?
As well as Ethan Robson who I mention above the (former Doncaster) left back Reece James has not played regularly for the Tangerines.
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Did we panic last January when we tried to sign him. I have never worked out where he was going to play in Bowyer's formation, or actually what Bowyer's formation was by then.
Watch him leave Charlton and come back to spank us on every occasion.
can’t TS let him leave for nothing and then buy him 6 months later for a million
I'm sure he will do really well. His stats at Crewe when he hit his stride were crazy. He's barely played for us, mostly for Adkins where everyone was absolute tosh and under JJ he's been a wingback and none of our wingers have shined in that role.
He's a very good player and I don't see that, when he has been on the pitch, he's done anything to deserve the rubbishing he's getting on here.
Post Match Views: Charlton 0 v 2 Blackpool, League One September 2024
goals scored Kirk 47, 81
GolfAddick “another abject display which sums our abject ownership under TS and yet another wasted summer of recruitment as we have to come to terms with never getting out of this league. I warned you all when Kirk left it would come back to haunt us and mark my words, it’s happened! Why on earth did we let him go and bring (insert name here)”
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Did we panic last January when we tried to sign him. I have never worked out where he was going to play in Bowyer's formation, or actually what Bowyer's formation was by then.
Can't argue with that!
I'm surprised we went after Kirk (rather than DJ it seems) when we had Millar as that's surely where Kirk would have played, albeit in a slightly different way.
When you dudes gave Charlie Kirk 1, 2, or 3 on the players scores I thought Charlie played in the number 10 position or the attacking midfield position; am I wrong as didn't watch the game ?
Can't remember which game but he definitely got the lowest scores I had ever seen for a Cafc player.
Lavanier is an attacking right back, if Jacko is fed up with either playing wingers or Matthews as right wing back, maybe that could be an option
I'd rather he just tried Clare there or changed the formation since both right and left wing backs are integral to it and we have no one in the squad capable of playing the role he wants well. Need a Maatsen type player on both sides ideally and I'd say the left is in more need of cover.
This.
Utterly pointless bringing in a loan player for less than 20 games. Season's over & we should be looking towards next season instead of giving game time to a Premiership team's player who wont be here next season.
Season isn't over until we are mathematically safe from relegation. I don't think we will go down but I really hope they don't down tools and look to far ahead just yet.
Lot of points to play for .. 5/6 straight wins and top 6 will be in sight again
You are deluded my friend.
Even he doesn't believe the crap he comes out with. He's just a Wum.
20 games to go - 60 points to play for we are 13 points of 6th spot .. so I repeat this season far from over ….
How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
not really been given a chance though has he and when he has it was when the whole team was playing poorly and then add in that we are now playing a system into which he doesn't fit. If we are using that system going forwards the it seems best for all concerned, especially Charlie himself, that he moves on. Plus I expect he would relish a chance to play in a higher division and nearer to his family.
My initial comment was more tongue in cheek, in part due to his lack of minutes.
He'll no doubt go on to be successful elsewhere, perhaps Charlton and London just isn't a good fit for him.
Kirk may have been successful at Crewe but he is so far off what we need right now. No pace, can’t beat his man and has no left foot. Why on earth would we want a left winger that has those attributes ? Shift him on , anything over 400k back from his fee and we are laughing
How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
Because he's a better player than he's shown while here. Blackpool probably see an opportunity to pick up a talented player at a cut rate price.
Exactly. Personally find it very frustrating that he's attracting interest and will, more than likely, go on to be a half decent Championship player, that we could only dream about, in just a few months.
Yup - I would only be agreeing to a loan at this point.
A move back up that way could be exactly what he needs to get his mojo back. Either he does well and his value shoots up ahead of the summer, or he doesn't get much game time and we're back to square one on what to do. What I definitely wouldn't be agreeing to is a six figure fee loss in 4 months.
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Shame it’s not happened for Kirk. If he is to join Blackpool then it’s sensible for all concerned. Just hope we don’t lose too much money on him though.
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Did we panic last January when we tried to sign him. I have never worked out where he was going to play in Bowyer's formation, or actually what Bowyer's formation was by then.
Can't argue with that!
I'm surprised we went after Kirk (rather than DJ it seems) when we had Millar as that's surely where Kirk would have played, albeit in a slightly different way.
I think we wanted both, remember there was another winger half way down the m1 as well. Millar played 4 different positions, in 4 different formations in his first 3 halves with us. Doesn't strike me that a lot of these players are signed because the manager wants them.
I said it before and got laughed at but Jackson has gone from potentially not getting the job twice to being the most powerful manager in a decade. Good luck to him, its the way it should be.
Kirk was a panic buy & one to appease the frustrated fans. He wasn't going to work in Adkins formation as he likes an overlaping fullback & certainly not in Jacksons where he is asked to do both jobs !!
He will probably come good somewhere as his Crewe form shows he's a decent player at this level. If we had bought him in June & given him a full pre-season to gel with his team mates then it might have worked out. But it seems that fans of many many years standing know jack shit & we should trust a black box, a director of football who's now moved sideways & the owners son.
Did we panic last January when we tried to sign him. I have never worked out where he was going to play in Bowyer's formation, or actually what Bowyer's formation was by then.
Can't argue with that!
I'm surprised we went after Kirk (rather than DJ it seems) when we had Millar as that's surely where Kirk would have played, albeit in a slightly different way.
I think we wanted both, remember there was another winger half way down the m1 as well. Millar played 4 different positions, in 4 different formations in his first 3 halves with us. Doesn't strike me that a lot of these players are signed because the manager wants them.
I said it before and got laughed at but Jackson has gone from potentially not getting the job twice to being the most powerful manager in a decade. Good luck to him, its the way it should be.
From what I recall we made a bid in the morning for Kirk , but then some agent shenanigans blocked that , then had Josh Morris ready to sign but then got DJ last minute and didn't sign Morris
How has he been attracting interest? He hasn't done anything!
because he an excellent player his stats are second to none .. think we will regret this one .. championship sides interested perhaps we should be looking to get the best and the potential out of him for Charlton .. not giving up on him just because a change of system
Yes, he is a great player on paper.
Unfortunately the game is played on grass.
One thing you can say is that he has been consistent
Some transfers just don't work out. Sometimes they look good on paper but are still failures. You're signing human beings so there is always risk involved, now matter how good your scouting is, how good your manager is, and how much budget you have.
Man Utd are one of the richest clubs in the world. Ferguson was probably the best manager Britain has ever produced. They still signed some absolute duds and for good money. Some of them have still done well elsewhere. Zaha, much as we all loath him, is a prefect example of that.
Just because not every signing turns out to be a success doesn't mean that a scouting and recruitment team isn't doing its job or doing it well.
Even under Curbs, probably less than 20% of signings turned out to be really good ones. Lots were decent, but a fair few weren't that great either, and a good few were crap. It's the reality of it. All the belly aching, whining and finger pointing on here every time something doesn't go completely our way is getting so tiresome.
An unintended consequence of the squad rules is that clubs can't afford to be patient with signings if they've maxed out their squads.
Whereas previously we may have just let Kirk settle in and accept that he wouldn't play much this season, with the squad number rules in place doing that will take up a squad place which the manager might want for somebody else.
If Charlie Kirk leaves for Blackpool, he goes with my best wishes. It can’t have been easy for a young lad to up sticks and expect to settle straight away especially after his dad had just died.
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this... I would not sell him. The kid clearly has a lot of tallent, just isnt showing it at the moment. If we change formation and play 4-2-3-1, he would be one of my first picks for out wide. Give him a run in the team in his proper position and i think it would be a different story
Please back that up because you've been corrected on it before
can’t TS let him leave for nothing and then buy him 6 months later for a million
As well as Ethan Robson who I mention above the (former Doncaster) left back Reece James has not played regularly for the Tangerines.
He's a very good player and I don't see that, when he has been on the pitch, he's done anything to deserve the rubbishing he's getting on here.
goals scored Kirk 47, 81
GolfAddick “another abject display which sums our abject ownership under TS and yet another wasted summer of recruitment as we have to come to terms with never getting out of this league. I warned you all when Kirk left it would come back to haunt us and mark my words, it’s happened! Why on earth did we let him go and bring (insert name here)”
I'm surprised we went after Kirk (rather than DJ it seems) when we had Millar as that's surely where Kirk would have played, albeit in a slightly different way.
Can't remember which game but he definitely got the lowest scores I had ever seen for a Cafc player.
Explains everything.
He'll no doubt go on to be successful elsewhere, perhaps Charlton and London just isn't a good fit for him.
We can buy him back in 6 months for 900k
I said it before and got laughed at but Jackson has gone from potentially not getting the job twice to being the most powerful manager in a decade. Good luck to him, its the way it should be.
From what I recall we made a bid in the morning for Kirk , but then some agent shenanigans blocked that , then had Josh Morris ready to sign but then got DJ last minute and didn't sign Morris
Unfortunately the game is played on grass.
One thing you can say is that he has been consistent
ly shit
Man Utd are one of the richest clubs in the world. Ferguson was probably the best manager Britain has ever produced. They still signed some absolute duds and for good money. Some of them have still done well elsewhere. Zaha, much as we all loath him, is a prefect example of that.
Just because not every signing turns out to be a success doesn't mean that a scouting and recruitment team isn't doing its job or doing it well.
Even under Curbs, probably less than 20% of signings turned out to be really good ones. Lots were decent, but a fair few weren't that great either, and a good few were crap. It's the reality of it. All the belly aching, whining and finger pointing on here every time something doesn't go completely our way is getting so tiresome.
Whereas previously we may have just let Kirk settle in and accept that he wouldn't play much this season, with the squad number rules in place doing that will take up a squad place which the manager might want for somebody else.