Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
The players deserve a lot better
England players don't deserve anything for their shocking indiscipline in the game though. Gift wrapping the game for Wales with our penalties
Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
The players deserve a lot better
Unfortunately, it also hasn't helped how clearly thick the England players are.
Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
The players deserve a lot better
England players don't deserve anything for their shocking indiscipline in the game though. Gift wrapping the game for Wales with our penalties
True but the game would be completely different. The ref nearly got man of the match!
Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy .. were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters .. Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team) Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house, England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy .. were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters .. Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team) Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house, England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
We weren't good enough to win but I disagree about the first try, Farrell was literally told go gather the players for a word by the ref, did, then the ref let play restart.
Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy .. were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters .. Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team) Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house, England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
We weren't good enough to win but I disagree about the first try, Farrell was literally told go gather the players for a word by the ref, did, then the ref let play restart.
If you look carefully, by the time the referee whistled for Biggar to take the kick, Farrell's meeting had broken up and a few England players were casually jogging to their positions, they were, I am convinced, ready for a shot at goal. Adams was challenged in the air by two England players in the act of scoring, so to claim that Farrell's chat was still going on under the posts is wrong. They were just outthought by the shrewd and aware Welsh players
England rugby has morphed into English 3 lions football. Shite tactics, Shite Management, playing supposed world class players who are so obviously not match fit, Sven = Jones, the pair of them tossers
Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot?
Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.
Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot?
Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.
It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable
Notwithstanding the poor refereeing decisions, something that often afflicts England teams, the breakdown in team discipline once we got back to 24-24 was the main factor in the defeat I believe.
Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot?
Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.
It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable
If Farrell hadn't 'cheated' by not rolling away from a ruck near the England line, the penalty leading to Adams's try would not have occurred .. bad discipline and cynical law breaking were England's downfall, not poor refereeing.
Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot?
Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.
It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable
If Farrell hadn't 'cheated' by not rolling away from a ruck near the England line, the penalty leading to Adams's try would not have occurred .. bad discipline and cynical law breaking were England's downfall, not poor refereeing.
In my opinion none of the Saracens players should be playing all totally not match fit, play in form players not supposed un fit superstars. itoje world class when fit, 5 penalties, Farrells decision making and kicking hopeless, Billy V clearly overweight and immobile, don’t see the point of Elliot Daly, Watson a far better 15, and I know not a Saracen but George Ford his best days well behind him. Pick club playing, in form players, Jones has morphed into Sven Goran.
In my opinion none of the Saracens players should be playing all totally not match fit, play in form players not supposed un fit superstars. itoje world class when fit, 5 penalties, Farrells decision making and kicking hopeless, Billy V clearly overweight and immobile, don’t see the point of Elliot Daly, Watson a far better 15, and I know not a Saracen but George Ford his best days well behind him. Pick club playing, in form players, Jones has morphed into Sven Goran.
EXACTLY ..won't happen though, Jones is a one trick show pony
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Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team)
Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England.
I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house,
England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
Adams was challenged in the air by two England players in the act of scoring, so to claim that Farrell's chat was still going on under the posts is wrong. They were just outthought by the shrewd and aware Welsh players
Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-v-england-referee-pascal-19938253