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Rugby: Six Nations 2021

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  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    DRAddick said:
    Dreadful referring by Pascal Gauzère against England. Good to see it isn't just football refs that can be shit/cheats.  
    Disgraceful
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    DRAddick said:
    Dreadful referring by Pascal Gauzère against England. Good to see it isn't just football refs that can be shit/cheats.  
    That was very poor reffing 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
    And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
    But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
    The players deserve a lot better

  • AllHailTheHen
    AllHailTheHen Posts: 3,063
    PrincessFiona said:
    Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
    And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
    But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
    The players deserve a lot better

    England players don't deserve anything for their shocking indiscipline in the game though. Gift wrapping the game for Wales with our penalties 
  • DRAddick
    DRAddick Posts: 3,588
    PrincessFiona said:
    Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
    And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
    But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
    The players deserve a lot better

    Unfortunately, it also hasn't helped how clearly thick the England players are.
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,567
    What an uplifting day of sport
  • Chris81
    Chris81 Posts: 95
    Two matches of being outclassed and badly disciplined! Deserved nothing from either. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    AllHailTheHen said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Sporting contest, notably international ones need to be as fair as possible. The pitch and the 3rd umpire in the 3rd Test in India were neither. Far from it.
    And now Wales, after winning 2 games when they were not the better side (admittedly benefitting from the other side, quite rightly, having a player sent off.
    But now, Wales have been awarded 2 tries that they should not. Those that know me, know I won;t say this often (if ever again!) or lightly, but England have been very hard done by. Very, very bad refereeing!
    The players deserve a lot better

    England players don't deserve anything for their shocking indiscipline in the game though. Gift wrapping the game for Wales with our penalties 
    True but the game would be completely different. The ref nearly got man of the match!
  • cblock
    cblock Posts: 1,959
    The more Wales win the luckier they get
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,140
    cblock said:
    The more Wales win the luckier they get
    Think you need to be in a jail block mate with that comment:D
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy ..  were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters ..
     Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team)
    Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. 
    I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house,
    England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,944
    Lincsaddick said:
    Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy ..  were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters ..
     Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team)
    Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. 
    I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house,
    England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
    We weren't good enough to win but I disagree about the first try, Farrell was literally told go gather the players for a word by the ref, did, then the ref let play restart.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,839
    DRAddick said:
    Dreadful referring by Pascal Gauzère against England. Good to see it isn't just football refs that can be shit/cheats.  
    I reckon that was Macron wearing a mask
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    North Lower Neil said:
    Lincsaddick said:
    Wales Triple Crown .. England get the CAFC Rubbish Bin Trophy ..  were Wales lucky ? .. I think both 'controversial tries' were ok, basically England lost through their persistent and continuing concession of penalties and they are simply dozy and not concentrating when it matters ..
     Adams's try ? .. play to the whistle, don't assume there will be a kick at goal and the same for Hardy's try, players turning their backs because they assumed there would be a kick at goal .. knock on ? .. I don't think so .. the commentators spoke of 'control of the ball', that is a concept in American Football, Zammit lost the ball and knocked it back onto Slade's knee from where it went forward, good try in my eyes, AND I am a fan of England, albeit a frustrated one (not quite as frustrated as I am with my 'kin football team)
    Wales kept their cool, kept control of the ball, didn't concede penalties and for the first time EVER put 40+ points on England. 
    I would like to see a win double this week, the sack for Jones and Bowyer, though it would not surprise me at all if both were in place for then next few games, Jones in articular is probably as safe as the proverbial house,
    England need changes fir the next game, the current team has got stale and clueless when it matters.
    We weren't good enough to win but I disagree about the first try, Farrell was literally told go gather the players for a word by the ref, did, then the ref let play restart.
    If you look carefully, by the time the referee whistled for Biggar to take the kick, Farrell's meeting had broken up and a few England players were casually jogging to their positions, they were, I am convinced, ready for a shot at goal.
    Adams was challenged in the air by two England players in the act of scoring, so to claim that Farrell's chat was still going on under the posts is wrong. They were just outthought by the shrewd and aware Welsh players
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    cblock said:
    The more Wales win the luckier they get
    As with most sport, the luckier they are the easier it is to play and score. The occasions in the last few months are ridiculous
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    killerandflash said:
    DRAddick said:
    Dreadful referring by Pascal Gauzère against England. Good to see it isn't just football refs that can be shit/cheats.  
    I reckon that was Macron wearing a mask
    It would make more sense if the Indian 3rd umpire was the rugby referee and vice versa!
  • Daarrzzetbum
    Daarrzzetbum Posts: 1,236
    England rugby has morphed into English 3 lions football. Shite tactics, Shite Management, playing supposed world class players who are so obviously not match fit, Sven = Jones, the pair of them tossers
  • cafc999
    cafc999 Posts: 4,967
    The quick kick try I can live with. The knock on try, especially with TMO is not on. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,436
    cafc999 said:
    The quick kick try I can live with. The knock on try, especially with TMO is not on. 
    As a 'neutral', I can't live with either
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot? 

    Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.    
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  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    Algarveaddick said:
    Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot? 

    Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.    
    It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    Notwithstanding the poor refereeing decisions, something that often afflicts England teams, the breakdown in team discipline once we got back to 24-24 was the main factor in the defeat I believe.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    stonemuse said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot? 

    Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.    
    It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable 
    If Farrell hadn't 'cheated' by not rolling away from a ruck near the England line, the penalty leading to Adams's try would not have occurred .. bad discipline and cynical law breaking were England's downfall, not poor refereeing. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,944
    Lincsaddick said:
    stonemuse said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    Neither Charlton nor England played well, what you don't need is terrible refereeing to exacerbate the situation. I don't recall the boot ever being on the other foot? 

    Even Sam Warburton though the first try was a terrible decision.    
    It was an awful decision ... and his attempted justification to Farrell was lamentable 
    If Farrell hadn't 'cheated' by not rolling away from a ruck near the England line, the penalty leading to Adams's try would not have occurred .. bad discipline and cynical law breaking were England's downfall, not poor refereeing. 
    They aren't mutually exclusive. 
  • Algarveaddick
    Algarveaddick Posts: 21,146
    The referee has admitted he got it wrong.

     https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-v-england-referee-pascal-19938253
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,995
    Algarveaddick said:
    The referee has admitted he got it wrong.

     https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-v-england-referee-pascal-19938253
    Exactly as most of us saw it 
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Algarveaddick said:
    The referee has admitted he got it wrong.

     https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-v-england-referee-pascal-19938253
    stonemuse said:
    Algarveaddick said:
    The referee has admitted he got it wrong.

     https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/wales-v-england-referee-pascal-19938253
    Exactly as most of us saw it 
    I reckon he's given in to pressure .. if you have access to today's Times, have a read
  • Salad
    Salad Posts: 10,189
    it was all level with 15 minutes to go, Wales then exploited woeful lack of discipline from England - no excuses
  • Daarrzzetbum
    Daarrzzetbum Posts: 1,236
    In my opinion none of the Saracens players should be playing all totally not match fit, play in form players not supposed un fit superstars. itoje world class when fit, 5 penalties, Farrells decision making and kicking hopeless, Billy V clearly overweight and immobile, don’t see the point of Elliot Daly, Watson a far better 15, and I know not a Saracen but George Ford his best days well behind him. Pick club playing, in form players, Jones has morphed into Sven Goran.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,345
    Daarrzzetbum said:
    In my opinion none of the Saracens players should be playing all totally not match fit, play in form players not supposed un fit superstars. itoje world class when fit, 5 penalties, Farrells decision making and kicking hopeless, Billy V clearly overweight and immobile, don’t see the point of Elliot Daly, Watson a far better 15, and I know not a Saracen but George Ford his best days well behind him. Pick club playing, in form players, Jones has morphed into Sven Goran.
    EXACTLY ..won't happen though, Jones is a one trick show pony

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