On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
Eliminated ? A carefully chosen word by you is my guess. You obviously know enough to know that having two doses of vaccine reduces the chances of hospitalisation by over 90%.
On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
Eliminated ? A carefully chosen word by you is my guess. You obviously know enough to know that having two doses of vaccine reduces the chances of hospitalisation by over 90%.
This is the world now, things need to be black and white, binary, absolute. I never expected a vaccine to elimate people passing away from the disease but to increase chances of survival for those most at risk, minimise symptoms for those who get infected same as the flu jab which in turn limits the passing on of the pox to anyone on the same train carriage as the guy who has never called in sick from work because he only has a cough.
I really fucking hate people sometimes, the world I don't think has ever been more selfish, self-absorbed or needy, the western world at least. I had a vaccine same as why I wear a mask still. It isn't so I can lock eyes with some div in Tescos who isn't wearing one to have a row, them call me a sheep and me punch a few of their teeth out. Its so, if, if I am carrying this virus about that has the potential to not just kill people but kill people in a really undignified way then it limits the chance if me giving it to someone else. And also importantly, I wear one in the same way I'd take a hood down if I was wearing one when I walked past an old person because I know that can freak them out.
I've never been against critical thinking or hoping against the grain, some of the stuff I've seen though is just nonsense. Yes question stuff but in times like this show something resembling community spirit.
On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
And we’re supposed to take your opinion seriously. If you’ve only just learned this, you really haven’t been paying attention at all.
On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
And we’re supposed to take your opinion seriously. If you’ve only just learned this, you really haven’t been paying attention at all.
On one extreme you have those who think people should have a jab that has only been trialed for a 5th(?) of the time new meds are usually tested.
It has been trialed in the same way as all other vaccines, it's just that it was done under emergency conditions quicker. It's only an argument for the misinformed.
In which case it HASNT been trialed in the same way. This hasn't been 10+ years as is the case for ALL treatments called vaccines.. And I understand ALL Coronavirus clinical trials were abandoned previously. The one point you make that is true is yes ~ this one was pushed through quicker. I will be keen to read the findings when the clinical trial is completed in 2023.
Not the same, better. The sick, the old and most of the population have tested it now. Lets hope that you and all the people you may have infected are alive to read those results in 2023. May I also point out that in any trial, some humans have to volunteer to test a vaccine. I guess when the call came, you were hiding behind the settee. Its safe now, you can come out.
Aren't fully vaccinated people still getting covid, so therefore still able to pass it on?
Yes and, speaking to my GP this evening ~ sadly in some cases dying in hospital also. I was under the impression that the vaccine eliminated this possibility of hospitalisation and death from covid~19. Very sad to learn this.
And we’re supposed to take your opinion seriously. If you’ve only just learned this, you really haven’t been paying attention at all.
This is the world now, things need to be black and white, binary, absolute. I never expected a vaccine to elimate people passing away from the disease but to increase chances of survival for those most at risk, minimise symptoms for those who get infected same as the flu jab which in turn limits the passing on of the pox to anyone on the same train carriage as the guy who has never called in sick from work because he only has a cough.
I really fucking hate people sometimes, the world I don't think has ever been more selfish, self-absorbed or needy, the western world at least. I had a vaccine same as why I wear a mask still. It isn't so I can lock eyes with some div in Tescos who isn't wearing one to have a row, them call me a sheep and me punch a few of their teeth out. Its so, if, if I am carrying this virus about that has the potential to not just kill people but kill people in a really undignified way then it limits the chance if me giving it to someone else. And also importantly, I wear one in the same way I'd take a hood down if I was wearing one when I walked past an old person because I know that can freak them out.
I've never been against critical thinking or hoping against the grain, some of the stuff I've seen though is just nonsense. Yes question stuff but in times like this show something resembling community spirit.
0% chance of me or Mrs Molloy taking a DNA-affecting "vaccine" that is in fact not a vaccine but a pre-infection treatment i.e. the Pfizer and Moderna products.
Go on then, how does the moderna vaccine affect your DNA. Looking forward to this.
0% chance of me or Mrs Molloy taking a DNA-affecting "vaccine" that is in fact not a vaccine but a pre-infection treatment i.e. the Pfizer and Moderna products.
Go on then, how does the moderna vaccine affect your DNA. Looking forward to this.
Very interesting, thank you. Article is very speculative, but the bit about reverse transcription into liver cell lines in vitro got me reading a couple papers, so there is a potential mechanism
Im not an anti vaxer by any stretch but my mother in law was told yesterday at her doctors that in Wales anyone over 65 will be invited for a vaccine every 3 months. Not sure I would be doing that tbh
Im not an anti vaxer by any stretch but my mother in law was told yesterday at her doctors that in Wales anyone over 65 will be invited for a vaccine every 3 months. Not sure I would be doing that tbh
I’m not that knowledgeable about the vaccine roll out in Wales but I find that very hard to believe. In fact I’d say it’s a mistake.
No more for me. Last one was injected in the wrong spot and doc says I have a possible permanent injury (aka s.i.r.v.a). Not happy. Swimming helping to ease it, and slightly more hopeful for the longer term.
The relevance of the discovery of far higher than prescribed
maximum levels of DNA in some vials is that it may explain this - the
persistence in the bodies of vaccinated people for 6 months, potentially
indefinitely, of vaccine-specific spike proteins (of different characteristics
to those resulting from Covid infection) and their presence throughout the
body, i.e. not confined to the injection site - both of these findings contrary
to the claims of the manufacturers.
The fact is, according to official data, we have recorded
this year to date over 40,000 excess deaths in the UK. That's 200 (a plane
load) a day on average or 70,000+ a year.
We urgently need to know what’s causing it.
I don’t know and nobody on this Forum or in the general
population knows.
One possibility (just one), since the mRNA vaccine manifestly
has results and a composition that are contrary to manufacturers' claims and prescribed
standards, is that the Covid vaccine, or multiple applications of it, maybe a
cause.
But we won’t discover the true cause or causes unless the
Government and mainstream media takes a due interest in the matter.
Yet the UK Government (indeed all but a handful of
Westminster MPs) is virtually silent on the very subject of excess deaths and seemingly
uninterested in investigating its cause.
Why is that?
Meanwhile, the Pfizer autumn jab has been tested on 10 mice
The relevance of the discovery of far higher than prescribed
maximum levels of DNA in some vials is that it may explain this - the
persistence in the bodies of vaccinated people for 6 months, potentially
indefinitely, of vaccine-specific spike proteins (of different characteristics
to those resulting from Covid infection) and their presence throughout the
body, i.e. not confined to the injection site - both of these findings contrary
to the claims of the manufacturers.
Bearing in mind we'll be in the air for 4+ hours a week on Friday, (Air Traffic Control permitting) we took up the invitation for Wrinkly's boosters on Sunday.
Mr F hasn't felt any issues but I'm feeling OK again following 2 days of aching, shivering & headaches. But feel it's a small price to pay....
Mind you, I DID read on the leaflet regarding possible side effects that Tingles might be somewhat diminished .
The fact is, according to official data, we have recorded
this year to date over 40,000 excess deaths in the UK. That's 200 (a plane
load) a day on average or 70,000+ a year.
We urgently need to know what’s causing it.
I don’t know and nobody on this Forum or in the general
population knows.
One possibility (just one), since the mRNA vaccine manifestly
has results and a composition that are contrary to manufacturers' claims and prescribed
standards, is that the Covid vaccine, or multiple applications of it, maybe a
cause.
But we won’t discover the true cause or causes unless the
Government and mainstream media takes a due interest in the matter.
Yet the UK Government (indeed all but a handful of
Westminster MPs) is virtually silent on the very subject of excess deaths and seemingly
uninterested in investigating its cause.
Why is that?
Meanwhile, the Pfizer autumn jab has been tested on 10 mice
There will be many people who think Covid is done and dusted and that the need for a booster dose is not warranted. That’s fair enough as far as I’m concerned. It isn’t over though and won’t ever be just like influenza. As a species we’ve been exposed to influenza, even taking into consideration its yearly mutations for thousands of years. We have an innate level of protection passed down through the generations. It’s not infallible but it’s something. Even then a bout of influenza is a bastard and I mean a real bastard. There are no mild cases of influenza. Do not be fooled into thinking it’s like a cold, even a bad cold it’s not. With Covid we have no level genetic protection and although for most Covid is likely to be mild and very cold like, for others it’s going to lay them low and in some cases prove to be very serious indeed. Personal choice which way you want to treat a disease that’s still in its infancy with still even now relatively little data. Certainly no long term data. You pays your money and takes your choice. For me I like to play the odds and I base that on the overwhelming medical and scientific advice across the globe that says for my age (67) I should take a booster dose. I look at my previous experiences with the vaccine and the shear numbers involved who have taken the vaccines over the last three years. Are there problems with it and are some suffering as a consequence of the vaccination ? 100% you bet there are. We knew that would be the case from day one and is the same for every vaccine. Unless things change with the Covid-19 virus to make us re think our strategies then I think yearly booster doses for certain groups is the way forward. Not really much more to be said on the matter at this point as far as I’m concerned. The data will roll in for years and years. There’s been a pandemic of a novel virus. What do we really expect.
I don't understand why some are perfectly happy to believe that excess deaths are caused by a vaccine, but are not prepared to accept that Covid can, and does still kill people. As @ShootersHillGuru said we still don't know enough either way to be certain.
There are still concerns over the long term effects of Covid on the body by medical professionals, not usually put into the mainstream media, but printed in reputable medical publications.
The relevance of the discovery of far higher than prescribed
maximum levels of DNA in some vials is that it may explain this - the
persistence in the bodies of vaccinated people for 6 months, potentially
indefinitely, of vaccine-specific spike proteins (of different characteristics
to those resulting from Covid infection) and their presence throughout the
body, i.e. not confined to the injection site - both of these findings contrary
to the claims of the manufacturers.
Genuine question mate, what makes you think the Epoch times is a better source of news than the so-called mainstream media (Sky, BBC, CNN)?
Because if I was to switch from Sky/BBC/CNN to Epoch News I’d want to know its sources and how it regulates its content from the get go? Appreciate MSM isn’t perfect by the way but I can find out their journalists in seconds, where they studied, where they’re from, their possible biases etc.
I can't open the Epoch times article. That's fine because it refers to a study. I'd like to see that study if there's a link or reference to it in the article.
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I really fucking hate people sometimes, the world I don't think has ever been more selfish, self-absorbed or needy, the western world at least. I had a vaccine same as why I wear a mask still. It isn't so I can lock eyes with some div in Tescos who isn't wearing one to have a row, them call me a sheep and me punch a few of their teeth out. Its so, if, if I am carrying this virus about that has the potential to not just kill people but kill people in a really undignified way then it limits the chance if me giving it to someone else. And also importantly, I wear one in the same way I'd take a hood down if I was wearing one when I walked past an old person because I know that can freak them out.
I've never been against critical thinking or hoping against the grain, some of the stuff I've seen though is just nonsense. Yes question stuff but in times like this show something resembling community spirit.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/anti-vaxxers-protest-outside-school-gates-253455/
Since you asked
https://www.spectator.com.au/2023/09/scientists-shocked-and-alarmed-at-whats-in-the-mrna-shots/
The relevance of the discovery of far higher than prescribed maximum levels of DNA in some vials is that it may explain this - the persistence in the bodies of vaccinated people for 6 months, potentially indefinitely, of vaccine-specific spike proteins (of different characteristics to those resulting from Covid infection) and their presence throughout the body, i.e. not confined to the injection site - both of these findings contrary to the claims of the manufacturers.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/new-study-detects-spike-protein-in-vaccinated-6-months-after-covid-19-vaccination-researchers-suggest-3-possible-reasons-5488364?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheChiefNerd&src_src=partner&src_cmp=TheChiefNerd
The fact is, according to official data, we have recorded this year to date over 40,000 excess deaths in the UK. That's 200 (a plane load) a day on average or 70,000+ a year.
We urgently need to know what’s causing it.
I don’t know and nobody on this Forum or in the general population knows.
One possibility (just one), since the mRNA vaccine manifestly has results and a composition that are contrary to manufacturers' claims and prescribed standards, is that the Covid vaccine, or multiple applications of it, maybe a cause.
But we won’t discover the true cause or causes unless the Government and mainstream media takes a due interest in the matter.
Yet the UK Government (indeed all but a handful of Westminster MPs) is virtually silent on the very subject of excess deaths and seemingly uninterested in investigating its cause.
Why is that?
Meanwhile, the Pfizer autumn jab has been tested on 10 mice
https://cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/10-COVID-Modjarrad-508.pdf
I’m in favour of experts. Just to keep things simple. And there are medics in the family who have zero doubts about this stuff.
Mr F hasn't felt any issues but I'm feeling OK again following 2 days of aching, shivering & headaches. But feel it's a small price to pay....
Mind you, I DID read on the leaflet regarding possible side effects that Tingles might be somewhat diminished .
There are still concerns over the long term effects of Covid on the body by medical professionals, not usually put into the mainstream media, but printed in reputable medical publications.