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European Super League - clubs withdrawing p42 onwards.
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Rothko said:Interesting that French and German clubs have given this a swerve. Reports seem to suggest this is being pushed the hardest by the Spanish clubs, who are all in financial holes of differing depths
This also proves that FFP has been a joke all along.
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Yep, no surprises that the Spanish teams are pushing for this. I bet Barcelona are desperate for it to happen....I wonder why that is?Rothko said:Interesting that French and German clubs have given this a swerve. Reports seem to suggest this is being pushed the hardest by the Spanish clubs, who are all in financial holes of differing depths1 -
If anything Gary Neville should be applauded for saying the sort of thing that I'm sure not many Sky producers/execs would feel comfortable about, knowing full well they will want to be in the running for the TV rights to a super league themselves one day.SELR_addicks said:The irony of a Sky Sports presenter talking about greed in football.
Neville benefited hugely from greed during his playing and presenting career, now gets up in arms because he'll miss out on the money.
Man United started the American takeover of football with the Glazers and didn't say anything about it at the time.
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Are Barca and RM not fan-owned like Bayern?
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He’s not wrong though is he?SELR_addicks said:The irony of a Sky Sports presenter talking about greed in football.
Neville benefited hugely from greed during his playing and presenting career, now gets up in arms because he'll miss out on the money.
Man United started the American takeover of football with the Glazers and didn't say anything about it at the time.1 -
Kick them out if they leave. If it doesn't work and they want back in then they can apply for a place at the bottom of the pyramid bit as per every other team it would be an application and could be rejected. Don't allow any loanees from those teams back to the English leagues.3
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Exactly, a lot of people saying good riddance (which i can understand) but pretty much every premier league club would be struggling within a couple of seasons.NapaAddick said:Those who say they don't care should reconsider.
If this league actually happens then TV money plummets for whatever is left over. In lower leagues some clubs will disappear without the money that TV contracts sent down the pyramid. It's not like the remaining clubs get all the money the Big 6 clubs formerly made in the league.... they get far, far less. NBC in the USA and broadcasters in other countries are not going to pay billion dollar fees to broadcast Norwich vs Burnley. What remains of the EPL (economically) becomes a glorified Championship. That might be fun to watch but the money will dry up and with it, many clubs too.
TV money would fall through the floor once the current tv deal ends (i think next year) and many clubs would be left with a number of players still on 2/3/4 year deals on big money they couldn't afford.
That would of course filter down into the championship, clubs with reduced parachute payments etc, clubs who are spending big to try and make the top flight because of the money there.......only the money won't be there. It'd sort itself out eventually but would be a short term disaster.0 -
The German clubs aren't allowed to owned by foreign owners or big corporations (other than Red Bull to an extent) so will have different motivations and rules to adhere toRothko said:Interesting that French and German clubs have given this a swerve. Reports seem to suggest this is being pushed the hardest by the Spanish clubs, who are all in financial holes of differing depths
Slightly surprised PSG haven't signed up yet though0 -
The FA said it will "not provide permission to any competition that would be damaging to English football" and will "take any legal and/or regulatory action necessary" to stop it.You had your chance 30 years ago and looked the other way for backhanders. Go fuck yourselves you cowardly, self serving arse’oles.7
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PSG would be if they were in a Barcelona type hole.killerandflash said:
The German clubs aren't allowed to owned by foreign owners or big corporations (other than Red Bull to an extent) so will have different motivations and rules to adhere toRothko said:Interesting that French and German clubs have given this a swerve. Reports seem to suggest this is being pushed the hardest by the Spanish clubs, who are all in financial holes of differing depths
Slightly surprised PSG haven't signed up yet though2 -
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Don't Barca and Real elect a president (Laporta and Perez) who are then mandated to make the clubs decisions?WSS said:Are Barca and RM not fan-owned like Bayern?
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PSG seem to be happy with the planned changes to Champions League which were going to be signed off tomorrow.I think the ownership model in Germany has a tiny bit to do with it, but not all of it.
as for the English clubs, no surprises on Spurs and Arsenal, financially fucked by stadiums, unlikely to qualify any other way.3 -
Both of those clubs are in such financial black holes at the momentChris_from_Sidcup said:
Don't Barca and Real elect a president (Laporta and Perez) who are then mandated to make the clubs decisions?WSS said:Are Barca and RM not fan-owned like Bayern?
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No doubt it would trigger some pain in the medium term, but it’d also be a huge opportunity for a readjustment in English football that could strengthen it in the long run. The current situation is neither healthy or sustainable either. There are too many clubs struggling as it is for any argument that the trickle down economic model is currently, in some way, protecting the bottom of the pyramid.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Exactly, a lot of people saying good riddance (which i can understand) but pretty much every premier league club would be struggling within a couple of seasons.NapaAddick said:Those who say they don't care should reconsider.
If this league actually happens then TV money plummets for whatever is left over. In lower leagues some clubs will disappear without the money that TV contracts sent down the pyramid. It's not like the remaining clubs get all the money the Big 6 clubs formerly made in the league.... they get far, far less. NBC in the USA and broadcasters in other countries are not going to pay billion dollar fees to broadcast Norwich vs Burnley. What remains of the EPL (economically) becomes a glorified Championship. That might be fun to watch but the money will dry up and with it, many clubs too.
TV money would fall through the floor once the current tv deal ends (i think next year) and many clubs would be left with a number of players still on 2/3/4 year deals on big money they couldn't afford.
That would of course filter down into the championship, clubs with reduced parachute payments etc, clubs who are spending big to try and make the top flight because of the money there.......only the money won't be there. It'd sort itself out eventually but would be a short term disaster.
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Not sure this would be the case.Exiled_Addick said:
No doubt it would trigger some pain in the medium term, but it’d also be a huge opportunity for a readjustment in English football that could strengthen it in the long run. The current situation is neither healthy or sustainable either. There are too many clubs struggling as it is for any argument that the trickle down economic model is currently, in some way, protecting the bottom of the pyramid.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Exactly, a lot of people saying good riddance (which i can understand) but pretty much every premier league club would be struggling within a couple of seasons.NapaAddick said:Those who say they don't care should reconsider.
If this league actually happens then TV money plummets for whatever is left over. In lower leagues some clubs will disappear without the money that TV contracts sent down the pyramid. It's not like the remaining clubs get all the money the Big 6 clubs formerly made in the league.... they get far, far less. NBC in the USA and broadcasters in other countries are not going to pay billion dollar fees to broadcast Norwich vs Burnley. What remains of the EPL (economically) becomes a glorified Championship. That might be fun to watch but the money will dry up and with it, many clubs too.
TV money would fall through the floor once the current tv deal ends (i think next year) and many clubs would be left with a number of players still on 2/3/4 year deals on big money they couldn't afford.
That would of course filter down into the championship, clubs with reduced parachute payments etc, clubs who are spending big to try and make the top flight because of the money there.......only the money won't be there. It'd sort itself out eventually but would be a short term disaster.
There would be a concentration at the top, imagine the amount of academies that would shut down because it's no longer financially viable without the Premier League money signing players.0 -
Hundreds of thousands of people, up and down the country, spend, individually, thousands of pounds a year to go and watch football. None of them are going to watch the opposition, they’re there to watch their team. Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, West Ham, Sunderland, Wolves, Villa etc. will still draw large crowds to watch them. Football has existed for over a hundred years and did so just fine without massive TV deals for most of that time. It will need to adjust but it can definitely still thrive. It won’t be special to see Man Utd play Barcelona 4 times a season, those games are exciting because they only happen every few years, and even the current Champions League format has removed the shine form some of those types of fixtures.1
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So why are crowds at Charlton bigger when they play Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool? If they aren't there to watch the opposition?Exiled_Addick said:Hundreds of thousands of people, up and down the country, spend, individually, thousands of pounds a year to go and watch football. None of them are going to watch the opposition, they’re there to watch their team. Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, West Ham, Sunderland, Wolves, Villa etc. will still draw large crowds to watch them. Football has existed for over a hundred years and did so just fine without massive TV deals for most of that time. It will need to adjust but it can definitely still thrive. It won’t be special to see Man Utd play Barcelona 4 times a season, those games are exciting because they only happen every few years, and even the current Champions League format has removed the shine form some of those types of fixtures.
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Never going to happen, at least not yet. Running it up the flagpole again and again until people basically accept the idea, then sneak it in the back door. You say something often enough and the initial disgust dissipates.1
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Does it work with women?Leroy Ambrose said:Never going to happen, at least not yet. Running it up the flagpole again and again until people basically accept the idea, then sneak it in the back door. You say something often enough and the initial disgust dissipates.22 -
Or the money resets and no longer can so many players expect to retire as multi millionaires.NapaAddick said:Those who say they don't care should reconsider.
If this league actually happens then TV money plummets for whatever is left over. In lower leagues some clubs will disappear without the money that TV contracts sent down the pyramid. It's not like the remaining clubs get all the money the Big 6 clubs formerly made in the league.... they get far, far less. NBC in the USA and broadcasters in other countries are not going to pay billion dollar fees to broadcast Norwich vs Burnley. What remains of the EPL (economically) becomes a glorified Championship. That might be fun to watch but the money will dry up and with it, many clubs too.
The game can be survive with less TV money if expectations are adjusted1 -
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I couldn't really care less, my first thought is that football might be better without them. But I worry about the creation of b teams that are still allowed to play in the PL.
Either way I can't really see it happening1 -
Speaking from experience... No 🤣DaveMehmet said:
Does it work with women?Leroy Ambrose said:Never going to happen, at least not yet. Running it up the flagpole again and again until people basically accept the idea, then sneak it in the back door. You say something often enough and the initial disgust dissipates.5 -
Did the French and German teams refuse or a case they where not invited due to their ownership models?
Majority of the backers are American based, are we going down the franchise route with all this shit.0 -
Saw all the posts on here and heard Neville venting on Sky and thought it was serious.
....Then I heard Spurs were in it!!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha5 -
I thought the Valley was mostly full for all PL games, not just when we played those 4SELR_addicks said:
So why are crowds at Charlton bigger when they play Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool? If they aren't there to watch the opposition?Exiled_Addick said:Hundreds of thousands of people, up and down the country, spend, individually, thousands of pounds a year to go and watch football. None of them are going to watch the opposition, they’re there to watch their team. Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, West Ham, Sunderland, Wolves, Villa etc. will still draw large crowds to watch them. Football has existed for over a hundred years and did so just fine without massive TV deals for most of that time. It will need to adjust but it can definitely still thrive. It won’t be special to see Man Utd play Barcelona 4 times a season, those games are exciting because they only happen every few years, and even the current Champions League format has removed the shine form some of those types of fixtures.7 -
I'm watching the FA Cup semi final Leicester v Southampton.
I've changed my mind.
Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man C, Spurs, Chelsea please don't go.7 -
Chuck the six out. Knock on effect 9 promoted from League 1 or a minimum 61
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26,749 attendance to watch Hartlepool United, 5/05/12SELR_addicks said:
So why are crowds at Charlton bigger when they play Man United, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool? If they aren't there to watch the opposition?Exiled_Addick said:Hundreds of thousands of people, up and down the country, spend, individually, thousands of pounds a year to go and watch football. None of them are going to watch the opposition, they’re there to watch their team. Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, West Ham, Sunderland, Wolves, Villa etc. will still draw large crowds to watch them. Football has existed for over a hundred years and did so just fine without massive TV deals for most of that time. It will need to adjust but it can definitely still thrive. It won’t be special to see Man Utd play Barcelona 4 times a season, those games are exciting because they only happen every few years, and even the current Champions League format has removed the shine form some of those types of fixtures.11 -
I'm swinging between, feck 'em let them get on with it, but then, when you watch someone as passionate about it as Gary Neville, starting to think about the wider, community impact.
How would the average Liverpool fan, who's followed them around the country for decades, saving up £1000's to do so, ever afford to go to 10 European away games? City have been knocking around the lower leagues themselves not that long ago. Lots of these fans are the 4th or 5th generation and will be priced out of following their club.
These clubs are treating everyone, but especially their own fans with contempt.19 -
UEFA should be happy. It actually makes the horrendous changes to the Champions League look palatable.
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