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You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!8 -
You do realise that if there are 10 corners a game, the likelihood of a goal being scored from one of those 10 corners is low!golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!2 -
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.33 -
...get a gripViewfinder said:I have been watching Charlton for 55 years. Today's game and the appallingly bad performance against Donny a fortnight ago really are the pits. This is the lowest of the low. Certainly, I witnessed some grimly barren spells at Selhurst when we didn't win for 15 games or more - but that was at a much higher level, with much better players.
This is the Third Division, and our inability to master even the most basic technical skills of ball control is shocking. Yes, I know this is a squad in transition if not dispersal, and under Sandgaard the future might - just might - be bright. But I'm not talking about that - I'm looking closely at our every move throughout 90 minutes.
The unforced errors, the stumbles and fluffs, the balls misplaced and overhit, the sheer confusion: players' lack of awareness of others! It's all a random shambles, a weak and incoherent mess. Maddison looked more capable than anyone - an agile header off the line at the death - Pratley is a strong influence, and Amos might turn out to be OK. But the rest of them... Sorry, but the answer is No.6 -
Disagree. He just had the right players at the right time, like any manager really. I’ve always struggled to believe that a manager is key to success rather than than the players in a team though.Off_it said:
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.4 -
I rest my case.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!3 -
I know Vennings completed more passes than anyone else but I would love to see the percentage of how many of them went forward.Seems to me that he makes very little happen and just moves the ball backwards and I saw Washington shout at him at one stage when he did not track his player back and Washington had to run all the way back to defend .I don’t think he is ready for this level yet !1
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Vennings broke between the lines better than anyone else, I thought. I have a sneaky feeling Bowyer will keep giving him game time.
Oztumer was screwed by the formation change. Until then he'd looked handy.
Levitt and Watson could be a decent double-pivot if we want to play that way.
The issue for all of these players was that Washington and Doughty just weren't enough to aim for, and Oshilaja is no real wide threat either.
Wouldn't mind seeing the Purrington sweeper experiment repeated. Ben Purkenbauer anyone?2 -
The players didn’t bring themselves to the club or up from youth set up. It was Bowyer that decided who would work well together and how.SamB09 said:
Disagree. He just had the right players at the right time, like any manager really. I’ve always struggled to believe that a manager is key to success rather than than the players in a team though.Off_it said:
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.1 -
We had a reserve center back playing right back, an aging midfield work horse center back, an average left back (which we're lucky to have), 2 young inexperinced kids with potential in MF, another young kid who's gone from LB to wing back to second striker, a rusty ol'pro midfielder and a striker who's just come out of Covid quarntine.
Admittedly I dont think Oztumer is great.
Oh, and the club has been under the control of a bunch of charlatans/ criminals for the last 9 months which led to a transfer ban and us being extremely close to going into administration/finished just a couple of weeks ago
By some incredible stroke of luck Sandgaard has come from absolutely knowhere to take us on and hopefully take us forward.
...but yet people are pissing their pants over todays performance
I remember the Deon Burton years20 -
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If you spent all week with the players you could see which ones perform best. I have never understood the hype about any manager, its more about the players a manager has.
The players didn’t bring themselves to the club or up from youth set up. It was Bowyer that decided who would work well together and how.SamB09 said:
Disagree. He just had the right players at the right time, like any manager really. I’ve always struggled to believe that a manager is key to success rather than than the players in a team though.Off_it said:
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.
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Cack.
Missed the first 15 minutes as the stream wouldn't work. TBH after watching that I would have been happier if it had failed to work at all.
Should have been 3-0 down at half time.
Defence looked shaky. Midfield were overrun at times and absolutely zero threat going forward. Washington deserves some praise as he ran himself into the ground with absolutely no service.
Aneke looked ok when he came on, but as we know he is made of glass and it is only a matter of time till he gets injured again.
Personally think we need RB, LB, RCB, x2 Strikers and possibly an out and out wide man. Without them I think we may be in for a long season.
The good thng is, I think Sandgaard will spend and we will be a lot stronger by the time we play again.2 -
Our most progressive play was Sunderland frequently putting the ball out for throw ins to us.
Got lucky to get a draw.
We need some talismanic presences in the building. Being a finishing school for learning youngsters only works in an already strong structure.
We haven't so much lost our mojo as much as not creating one in the first place.
The next two weeks as they say......1 -
Just posted it on the transfer thread. It has dawned on me that we have few players in their prime ie with experience and aged c 25-30. Those that fall into this bracket are mainly ones playing at/ above their level or with ongoing fitness issues. Otherwise we have experience in Pratley/Watson and lots of youth, who will always be prone to inconsistency.
Going to be a tough season, but at least we have a club to support!!7 -
I would have hoped that if you spent all week with them you'd also be able to get one of them to take a decent corner or free kick. Perhaps it was written in his loan agreement that Levitt has to take them.SamB09 said:
If you spent all week with the players you could see which ones perform best. I have never understood the hype about any manager, its more about the players a manager has.
The players didn’t bring themselves to the club or up from youth set up. It was Bowyer that decided who would work well together and how.SamB09 said:
Disagree. He just had the right players at the right time, like any manager really. I’ve always struggled to believe that a manager is key to success rather than than the players in a team though.Off_it said:
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.0 -
I think nearly all the comments are justified.
Most of us expected the team to be poor and the team were poor.
Most of us were expecting defeat and hoping for a point.
So most of us are happy with a point.
But it doesn't alter the fact that it was shockingly poor.
However I haven't read one person "having a go" unfairly at the players, purely "saying what they saw".
There was also only one person out of perhaps a hundred suggesting that Bowyer's job is already at risk.3 -
Lol. So you dont believe formations, tactics, training ground routines, etc, have any impact on games then?!SamB09 said:
If you spent all week with the players you could see which ones perform best. I have never understood the hype about any manager, its more about the players a manager has.
The players didn’t bring themselves to the club or up from youth set up. It was Bowyer that decided who would work well together and how.SamB09 said:
Disagree. He just had the right players at the right time, like any manager really. I’ve always struggled to believe that a manager is key to success rather than than the players in a team though.Off_it said:
Unbelievable. Truly unbelievable. I sometimes wonder what planet some of our fans are on.golfaddick said:
You are aware that you have to score goals to win games. 1 in the last 3 games. No shots on target today (I've seen the Sky highlights and Doughty's "shot" was a cross that their keeper easily saved by the near post)ElfsborgAddick said:Present day football fans give my a*** a headache.
Years ago managers got x years contracts and left to get on with it.
Bowyer has shown what he can do with limited resources, hopefully Sandgaard will give him the tools to get us promoted, it may not be this season.
The club needs a total overhaul, Rome was not built in a day.
Yes, one of our strikers left yesterday leaving us short up front but Davison is a striker if Bows wanted to play 2 up front and the midfield ARE allowed to shoot......perhaps someone should tell them.
Also, nothing seems to have changed regarding corners. I didnt watch the match today but Cawley's Twitter feed was a cut & paste of the last 50 games......"Corner comes to nothing" or "corner cleared". Once, just once, it would be nice to read. "corner swung over & thumped in by Washington".
If Bows wants to keep his job he might want to think about changing his tactics.....or his set piece man !!
The bloke has worked miracles since he's been here. Sure, he's not immune from criticism, but any talk of him getting the sack is ludicrous. Bonkers.4 -
Writing this at 1:30am on Sunday and if they were still playing, it would still be 0-0. The bad news is that we were utter cack. The good news is that they were no better................
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2 weeks pre season has now begun.
Write off those 2 we lost take positives from the other two and move on.
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quietly Boyed by that, it’s like being given a beta version of a new piece of software and reporting the bugs.
Madison looks good, Chuks looks like he will bully many a defence at this level, oztumer looks incapable of finding THE pass, great save from Amos.Positives , negatives, we got a point and our team is at 60% at best.Patience, it’ll click.8 -
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Dull game, Sunderland should have been 2 nil up by half time one amazingly bad finish and one excellent save ensured it was even
Only 2 of the back 4 were playing in their natural positions. Famewo was man of the match, did not put a foot wrong and goes for the ball like he means it
Midfield lacked dynamism, Levitt is going to be a good passer of the ball but needs to learn how to move it short first and create a bit of space. He will hit his stride I am sure and start unlocking teams but he was a bit frustrating today, had a very heavy touch on most of what he hit but I hope he doesn't give that up, just needs to be less naive about the value of retaining possession.
Williams was a threat when he came on and got his usual few kicks for his trouble. Maddison looks like we will love him very quickly, very direct, looked to make things happen and wanted the ball and his delivery was promising more so from the free kick than the corner
Washington worked his bollocks off and will get goals, he needs service though. Doughty was closely marked all game and we need some of our other players to realise this and make use of the space that creates.
Chuks can really make a difference and he did today, I remain a fan
Overall a good point that most of us would have taken before the game and given that we now have it all to do to bring bodies in with a wage cap and ensure those bodies will improve and affect the squad in a fortnight. Easier said than done
Amos is still a good goalkeeper, commands his box really well and saved us the point
Good way to enter the international break12 -
Thought he spoke well. Clearly knows a thing or two about the game and kept his comments positive. Suspect he might have chipped in a bit too much for the commentators' liking e.g. asking them to read out the team sheet. That's CEOs for you though; always wanting to be in the know, always wanting that element of control. Disappeared after 20 minutes just like the players did - he'll fit in well. Seriously, it was a good bit of PR and I suspect he had plenty of other meet, greet and relationship builds to do today. A good days work, I'd say.carly burn said:Any marks for Tommy on commentary?3 -
RB, LB, CB, CM, RM, 2x strikersraytreacy69 said:Sunderland should have been out of sight by HT
Second half we were better but helped by the fact that Sunderland seemed to lose there discipline.
Levitt was very poor and should have been subbed earlier.
Chucks and Maddison made a difference and with a returning Gibley will make a big difference.
Key to get in a RB and 2 strikers.
Still early doors but a point gained which I never saw coming at HT0 -
You’ve finally lost it, LeuthLeuth said:Vennings broke between the lines better than anyone else, I thought. I have a sneaky feeling Bowyer will keep giving him game time.
Oztumer was screwed by the formation change. Until then he'd looked handy.
Levitt and Watson could be a decent double-pivot if we want to play that way.
The issue for all of these players was that Washington and Doughty just weren't enough to aim for, and Oshilaja is no real wide threat either.
Wouldn't mind seeing the Purrington sweeper experiment repeated. Ben Purkenbauer anyone?
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We get an enthusiastic owner of the football club with money and then the players we have, put in two abysmal performances.
Compare to the first two home League games last season.
Charlton 3 Stoke 1(vibrant and exciting performance)
Charlton 1 Forest 1 (best passing from cafc I have seen in first 45 minutes bar none)
Two of the best back to back League home games I have seen at the Valley. Considering I have seen about 1100 home League games at the Valley, Selhurst park and Upton Park, so not only am I getting old but I feel my views are still relevent when I do a comparison.
Charlton 1 Doncaster 3 ( dire)
Charlton 0 Sunderland 0 (lucky to get nil)
No lies, because I'm now watching 3 games a week in the 8th and 9th tier(enjoy going to FA cup preliminary rounds with teams that care about the competition) I fortunately didn't torture myself by watching Valley pass(Terry and Greg: top men) so far this season but if the likes of @Covered End @MuttleyCAFC and @Blucher (3 of our best analysts, and I will PM you guys where to send the cheques !) feel we are poor then we are poor.
What a difference a year makes and I'm not talking COVID-19 on this thread.
When you don't have a shot on target in a League 1 home match you have terrible problems. Thomas Sandgaard wants to be entertained; Charlton folk want to be entertained (as well as the wins)
We had an owner who gave 2% of his time to cafc, to an owner who wants a hands on 98% of his time to Charlton Athletic. (Thomas must've a top CEO in his medical company)
The bar has been raised for Lee Bowyer by Thomas Sandgaard's involvement.
Great expectations or Bleak house ?
A tale of two owners.
(What the Dickens !)
A critical window awaits.
Ps. I did see Charlton score 6 in back to back home games against Notts County and Southampton but the saints game was a League cup tie from Memory.1 -
I don't think that the desire for one shot on target in 95 minutes at home is an unrealistic expectation though mate? I do get where you are coming from though.charlton_hero said:I think a few need to realign their expectations for this season, the club has been on life support for the past nine months, this will not be fixed overnight. We all need to show a bit of patience. A solid point to build on.2 -
1st half was poor and 2nd half was only better once Chucks came on. It's quite simple years mis management from the owners have lead us to this. We now have hopefully the right owner but we have to accept what we have and get behind it.
The positive for me was the 3 signings we have made under the new owner all looked good. Bowyer and Gallen with the right backing will get it right3 -
Doncaster was 1-3....soapboxsam said:We get an enthusiastic owner of the football club with money and then the players we have, put in two abysmal performances.
Compare to the first two home League games last season.
Charlton 3 Stoke 1(vibrant and exciting performance)
Charlton 1 Forest 1 (best passing from cafc I have seen in first 45 minutes bar none)
Two of the best back to back League home games I have seen at the Valley. Considering I have seen about 1100 home League games at the Valley, Selhurst park and Upton Park, so not only am I getting old but I feel my views are still relevent when I do a comparison.
Charlton 0 Doncaster 2 ( dire)
Charlton 0 Sunderland 0 (lucky to get nil)
No lies, because I'm now watching 3 games a week in the 8th and 9th tier(enjoy going to FA cup preliminary rounds with teams that care about the competition) I fortunately didn't torture myself by watching Valley pass(Terry and Greg: top men) so far this season but if the likes of @Covered End @MuttleyCAFC and @Blucher (3 of our best analysts, and I will PM you guys where to send the cheques !) feel we are poor then we are poor.
What a difference a year makes and I'm not talking COVID-19 on this thread.
When you don't have a shot on target in a League 1 home match you have terrible problems. Thomas Sandgaard wants to be entertained; Charlton folk want to be entertained (as well as the wins)
We had an owner who gave 2% of his time to cafc, to an owner who wants a hands on 98% of his time to Charlton Athletic. (Thomas must've a top CEO in his medical company)
The bar has been raised for Lee Bowyer by Thomas Sandgaard's involvement.
Great expectations or Bleak house ?
A tale of two owners.
(What the Dickens !)
A critical window awaits.
Ps. I did see Charlton score 6 in back to back home games against Notts County and Southampton but the saints game was a League cup tie from Memory.0 -
Did Bowyer really play Alfie Doughty on the right yesterday ?
We are so devoid of attacking nous that Alfie has to attack down the left flank and build a relationship with Purrington, who can cover and was steady last time we were in League 1.
When I hear some CL members talking about dropping Alfie I wonder WTF is going on ?
How can the one bright spark in the 9 match mini League not be the main man in his best position on the left, either as left midfield, winger, (his positions in under 21)
Or as a wing back in a 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 if under the cosh.
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palarse slump to 9th in the prem
scum slump to 11th in the championship
we rise to 14th in league one , what a load of c**t
got to love TS and his enthusiasm, it’s sooooo gonna end in tears and a fortune lost for him chasing the impossible but we’re gonna have some fun on the way .
we’ll be ok the league is pony and we’re a good fit for it .2% Automatic promotion31% Play offs60% 7th-12th7% 13th-20th
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