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Have you heard of Covid?ShootersHillGuru said:
I think that’s true but politicians make policy on the advice of industry and scientific experts.Dansk_Red said:Gordon Brown had everybody rushing to by diesel vehicles as they were greener than petrol ones although they were more polluting. The large number of diesels sold on his advice was the precusser to today's problems.3 -
Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
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Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.2 -
This is it. Renewable energy is great however it is not guaranteed like coal, oil and gas. Now we aren't using coal anymore or making steel it isn't like we don't need either anymore, just means we import it which is absolutely definitely zero carbon footprint. Wind turbines are a false economy, solar is better however we are so far behind the curve with it and frankly the country isn't sunny enough for it to be a game changer. Tidal power would be sensible as would investing in desalination but that carries a carbon negative cost that scares people off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
And we need fossil fuels and materials to make the EVs and their batteries, so yeah long way to go0 -
I take it, that all government officials used electric vehicles then?ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.0 -
Hydroelectricity is the predominant source of power and the government subsidises the cost.O-Randy-Hunt said:Was speaking to a family from Oslo yesterday and he told me 90% of the country drive an ev. He got one before it got to 60% of the country driving one and the incentives ranged from free charging when he first got it to driving in bus lanes, which were (as expected) taken away once around 60% of the country owned an ev.0 -
and that's why you need storage capacity, which is coming on line more and more, and EVs are an important part of that capacity. 60kw EV will hold enough electricity for a home for a week, and you'll soon be in a place where your car will be used for storing excess electric from renewables, and then pulled back into the grid as required.Carter said:
This is it. Renewable energy is great however it is not guaranteed like coal, oil and gas. Now we aren't using coal anymore or making steel it isn't like we don't need either anymore, just means we import it which is absolutely definitely zero carbon footprint. Wind turbines are a false economy, solar is better however we are so far behind the curve with it and frankly the country isn't sunny enough for it to be a game changer. Tidal power would be sensible as would investing in desalination but that carries a carbon negative cost that scares people off.ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
And we need fossil fuels and materials to make the EVs and their batteries, so yeah long way to go
Recycled EV batteries, which is where more and more go once they are scrapped, are on houses now being used as storage, or being filled up cheaply overnight and then used during the day.
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That’s it in a nutshell, @ShootersHillGuru. We can’t wait for the EV solution that gives a seamless conversion from ICE. We do not have the time !ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.3 -
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https://youtu.be/r1BBNJDnkTQ?si=Y2tw-Ec8qxuRxNMJ
The truth about EV battery life & charging best practice by Petrol Ped1 -
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Climate Change happens gradually though. People don't see it as a crisis as they would a nuclear bomb coming our way or a meteorite about to hit, when they'd react quicker. It's complacency in the face of adversity.Hex said:
That’s it in a nutshell, @ShootersHillGuru. We can’t wait for the EV solution that gives a seamless conversion from ICE. We do not have the time !ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
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Not really "the truth"guinnessaddick said:https://youtu.be/r1BBNJDnkTQ?si=Y2tw-Ec8qxuRxNMJ
The truth about EV battery life & charging best practice by Petrol Ped
You will need a "chunk of change" to buy a replacement battery. No costs mentioned.
No lifespan stated.
Only 8 year manufacturers warranty....
Anecdotal recycling/second hand battery waffle.
More propaganda from the electric zealots. In this case a bloke who installs electric motors in classic cars. Which is brilliant and something I'm all in favour of. I will be doing this early in the spring. Far preferable than the anodyne boxes being produced today.
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The USA and Canada certainly don't seem worried about this.ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
The Ford F150 continues to be the best selling vehicle in both countries, and both countries have cheap enough energy that nobody thinks twice about turning on the heating in winter.
The UK's decision to commit industrial suicide is weird2 -
That reassures you that it's not a crisis demanding action now does it? Ignoring the science and pandering to the god of greed. The UK government is taking responsibility, aren't alone, and aren't even leading on this.cafcnick1992 said:
The USA and Canada certainly don't seem worried about this.ShootersHillGuru said:
Whether or not the 2030 government target is realistic or not given the current technology and infrastructure issues is a big crossover with the climate emergency thread. We don’t have the luxury of time in forcing through green solutions and allowing the EV technology and infrastructure issues to pan out and resolve in the normal way. I guess in the final analysis we might just have to suck it up.Redskin said:Vauxhall is set to close its car factory after 120 years in a move the company is blaming on the Government’s Net Zero EV sales targets.
Stellantis, which also controls the Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen brands, has blamed Government EV sales targets for the decision to shutter the factory, which first opened in 1905 and has been making vans for almost a century.
The Ford F150 continues to be the best selling vehicle in both countries, and both countries have cheap enough energy that nobody thinks twice about turning on the heating in winter.
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Was it winter? The range drops sharply then. Does on my PHEV battery too, showing about half the range I was getting just 6-8 weeks ago. Now, I wonder whether the manufacturer’s claimed range is a sensible 12 month average, or from a lovely spring or autumn day when neither aircon nor heating is much in use? This is another thing that engenders mistrust and scepticism.superclive98 said:My only experience of an EV was a courtesy/hire car from Gatwick. Enterprise assured me that it had ample charge to get me the 83 miles back to Broadstairs.
When we got in the car it showed a range of just under 200 miles. By the time we got home it was down to about 20. It was the most stressful drive that I have ever had. Who wants to drive like that?1 -
Obviously we have a new battery but the range variation is 240 in the summer and 220 in the winter. I've not noticed any dramatic reductions in range.PragueAddick said:
Was it winter? The range drops sharply then. Does on my PHEV battery too, showing about half the range I was getting just 6-8 weeks ago. Now, I wonder whether the manufacturer’s claimed range is a sensible 12 month average, or from a lovely spring or autumn day when neither aircon nor heating is much in use? This is another thing that engenders mistrust and scepticism.superclive98 said:My only experience of an EV was a courtesy/hire car from Gatwick. Enterprise assured me that it had ample charge to get me the 83 miles back to Broadstairs.
When we got in the car it showed a range of just under 200 miles. By the time we got home it was down to about 20. It was the most stressful drive that I have ever had. Who wants to drive like that?0 -
PragueAddick said:
Was it winter? The range drops sharply then. Does on my PHEV battery too, showing about half the range I was getting just 6-8 weeks ago. Now, I wonder whether the manufacturer’s claimed range is a sensible 12 month average, or from a lovely spring or autumn day when neither aircon nor heating is much in use? This is another thing that engenders mistrust and scepticism.superclive98 said:My only experience of an EV was a courtesy/hire car from Gatwick. Enterprise assured me that it had ample charge to get me the 83 miles back to Broadstairs.
When we got in the car it showed a range of just under 200 miles. By the time we got home it was down to about 20. It was the most stressful drive that I have ever had. Who wants to drive like that?The manufacturers use this:To work out the WLTP, they will find the range the car travels (from 100% to 0%) when driving at an average speed of 46.5 km/h (28.8 mph) in summer temperatures.No surprise then that real world ranges are always fewer, in some cases much fewer than the official.My old EV had a range when fully charged of 240 in summer and 200 in winter, and that was realistic in normal driving although as the battery charge reduced the miles seemed to fall off much quicker - certainly not a linear decline.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/29/tesla-owners-elon-muskSeems many Tesla owners are now embarrassed to be driving them and some are even placing apologetic stickers on their vehicles.1
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But still driving themChaz Hill said:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/29/tesla-owners-elon-muskSeems many Tesla owners are now embarrassed to be driving them and some are even placing apologetic stickers on their vehicles.0 -
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stop_shouting said:
But still driving themChaz Hill said:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/nov/29/tesla-owners-elon-muskSeems many Tesla owners are now embarrassed to be driving them and some are even placing apologetic stickers on their vehicles.
Vast majority are company cars.
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After much deliberation and taking note of the comments on this thread I’ve decided that when I change my car in the spring I’m going to go for a petrol / hybrid. I’d expect it to be the last ICE car I purchase so will watch with great interest what happens over the next four years.1
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I’m looking to change mine now and will do the same. Reading the SMMT report it seems like unsustainable discounts/incentives are behind the electric car sales, which is hardly a vote of confidence in electric carsShootersHillGuru said:After much deliberation and taking note of the comments on this thread I’ve decided that when I change my car in the spring I’m going to go for a petrol / hybrid. I’d expect it to be the last ICE car I purchase so will watch with great interest what happens over the next four years.1 -
The notion of swapping the batteries seems to be a good idea.
I would think that most people can’t charge an electric vehicle at home due to not having a ‘drive’.0 -
It’s not really an option.seth plum said:The notion of swapping the batteries seems to be a good idea.
I would think that most people can’t charge an electric vehicle at home due to not having a ‘drive’.You might have heard that EVs tend to weigh more than combustion engine cars – this is true and is largely due to their battery. On average, EV batteries weigh around 454 kg (1,000 pounds), with bigger models weighing as much as 900 kg (2,000 pounds) and some even up to 1,800 kg (4,000 pounds).24 May 2023
For info : 454 kg is 71 stones0 -
Petrol hybrid cars are a great way of combining the worst of both worlds. It's a bit like the Ricky Gervais line when he talks about being English, but with French ancestry (from his surname). He says, "I am shit in bed, but at least my breath stinks of garlic".ShootersHillGuru said:After much deliberation and taking note of the comments on this thread I’ve decided that when I change my car in the spring I’m going to go for a petrol / hybrid. I’d expect it to be the last ICE car I purchase so will watch with great interest what happens over the next four years.2 -
Chizz said:
Petrol hybrid cars are a great way of combining the worst of both worlds. It's a bit like the Rickey Gervais line when he talks about being English, but with French ancestry (from his surname). He says, "I am shit in bed, but at least my breath stinks of garlic".ShootersHillGuru said:After much deliberation and taking note of the comments on this thread I’ve decided that when I change my car in the spring I’m going to go for a petrol / hybrid. I’d expect it to be the last ICE car I purchase so will watch with great interest what happens over the next four years.I agree - a 5.0l V8 supercharged petrol engine is the way to go.*I'll get me coat.
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On YouTube you can see battery changing ‘garages’ in Norway. Takes about five minutes apparently.0
