After seeing the McMurtry car go up the Goodwood hill, consider me wowed as to what electric power and technology can achieve. Crazy crazy vehicle.
This is a great achievement, amazing watching it go up the hill at Goodwood. Electric companies do this as a gimmick, at the moment the 0-60 speed is where they can compete with ICE cars and why they focus on it. The problem lies with distance and when travelling on motorways where battery consumption is high, which is why I think haulage are looking at Hydrogen as their solution due to the distances they often travel.
The sooner the world adopts this approach, the better.
Taiwan's Gogoro is one such firm. In addition to a range of electric motorbikes, it has come up with a solution to the problem of a rider having to stand around while their bikes charge.
Instead of charging points, Gogoro's users in Taiwan simply need to drive to one of more than 2,200 battery stations, and swap their batteries for free. The outdoor stations run 24-hours a day, and are said to be able to withstand the typhoons and searing heat of Taiwanese summers.
Gogoro is now planning to make this battery-swapping hardware and technology available to partner companies across Asia. These include Hero in India, Gojek in Indonesia, and DCJ and Yadea in China. Gogoro is also working on a partnership with Yamaha.
When this was shown on TV (Possibly Click) a couple of years ago you paid a monthly subscription.
My ex-boss exchanged his BMW X5 for an IONIQ 5 - amazing looking car. He said everything is configurable and the acceleration is phenominal - but as soon as you use the radio/lights on/heated seats/AC/etc. he can visibly watch the estimated range plummet. Apparently the next gen IONIQ 5 will have more capacity.
I have driven to Italy and now I am here, I am driving around Italy then returning. I wouldn't want to do that in an Electric car as things are at the moment.
We have a Renault Zoe, 2021 vintage and no home charger, I will go and park up at a local cafe which has a charger, do some work and fill the car up. It does well over 220 miles On a full charge, so have to do it once every 10 days.
Great car, yes not as modern as some recent EVs but has a huge battery for its size and is super efficient with it. Get 4.1 KWpM on the motorway for example.
still if someone wants to get me an ID 3 I’m game to change
Ah good. A Zoe owner so I can ask you a question if you dont mind.
We've got a speed bump in our road, outside our next door neighbours house. Whenever a Zoe approaches it, it makes a 'spaceship' noise under braking. Is that normal? I've never noticed any other car doing it so I'm assuming its Zoe-specific but christ its annoying.
Regen?
Yeah so Zoe's make that noise when they go below 18mph to let people know the car is there. Most EVs should make a sound, but the Zoe has a very unique sound that gets a bit of attention
I'm toying with the idea of buying a secondhand electric car that allows two way charging (so the vehicle also acts as a battery for the house) and linking it all up to solar panels on the roof. I was wondering if anyone has tried something similar and whether the results were worth it?
We have a Renault Zoe, 2021 vintage and no home charger, I will go and park up at a local cafe which has a charger, do some work and fill the car up. It does well over 220 miles On a full charge, so have to do it once every 10 days.
Great car, yes not as modern as some recent EVs but has a huge battery for its size and is super efficient with it. Get 4.1 KWpM on the motorway for example.
still if someone wants to get me an ID 3 I’m game to change
Ah good. A Zoe owner so I can ask you a question if you dont mind.
We've got a speed bump in our road, outside our next door neighbours house. Whenever a Zoe approaches it, it makes a 'spaceship' noise under braking. Is that normal? I've never noticed any other car doing it so I'm assuming its Zoe-specific but christ its annoying.
Regen?
Yeah so Zoe's make that noise when they go below 18mph to let people know the car is there. Most EVs should make a sound, but the Zoe has a very unique sound that gets a bit of attention
thats fair enough then, didn't think of the sound from a safety aspect. I'll stop tutting when I hear it then
The sooner the world adopts this approach, the better.
Taiwan's Gogoro is one such firm. In addition to a range of electric motorbikes, it has come up with a solution to the problem of a rider having to stand around while their bikes charge.
Instead of charging points, Gogoro's users in Taiwan simply need to drive to one of more than 2,200 battery stations, and swap their batteries for free. The outdoor stations run 24-hours a day, and are said to be able to withstand the typhoons and searing heat of Taiwanese summers.
Gogoro is now planning to make this battery-swapping hardware and technology available to partner companies across Asia. These include Hero in India, Gojek in Indonesia, and DCJ and Yadea in China. Gogoro is also working on a partnership with Yamaha.
I'm sure that works well enough in Korea How long do you envisage that amount of tremendously valuable technology and raw materials is going to last on any UK high street? This is a country where scum have no qualms in attempting to lift metal and hardware from live electricity distribution infrastructure or drive forklifts into the walls of banks to steal cash machines. To say nothing of the bottom feeding vandals whose days are incomplete without a dose of mindless destruction.
We have a Renault Zoe, 2021 vintage and no home charger, I will go and park up at a local cafe which has a charger, do some work and fill the car up. It does well over 220 miles On a full charge, so have to do it once every 10 days.
Great car, yes not as modern as some recent EVs but has a huge battery for its size and is super efficient with it. Get 4.1 KWpM on the motorway for example.
still if someone wants to get me an ID 3 I’m game to change
Ah good. A Zoe owner so I can ask you a question if you dont mind.
We've got a speed bump in our road, outside our next door neighbours house. Whenever a Zoe approaches it, it makes a 'spaceship' noise under braking. Is that normal? I've never noticed any other car doing it so I'm assuming its Zoe-specific but christ its annoying.
Regen?
Yeah so Zoe's make that noise when they go below 18mph to let people know the car is there. Most EVs should make a sound, but the Zoe has a very unique sound that gets a bit of attention
Silently running EV's are an impending lethal menace. There has been some talk that they should all make a noise in urban areas and/or when travelling under 50km/h I believe it's in the options on some Teslas As with the whole panicked charge away from I.C.E. cars there is no coherent plan or thinking from government. Injuries and fatalities of pedestrians stepping out in front of vehicles "they haven't heard" will reach a threshold at which there will be a furious pant-wetting outcry drenched in hindsight. By then there will be many thousands of costly electric cars on the roads, making little or no noise. Our so called government is barely pretending to give a damn about the infrastructure required to support the 2030 imposition of EVs. Dopey pedestrians getting wiped out by quiet hatchbacks won't feature in any party's plans or budgets.
On the upside, who in their right mind isn't going to want their car to sound like the Millenium Falcon or stampeding elephants as we dawdle across town to work?
The sooner the world adopts this approach, the better.
Taiwan's Gogoro is one such firm. In addition to a range of electric motorbikes, it has come up with a solution to the problem of a rider having to stand around while their bikes charge.
Instead of charging points, Gogoro's users in Taiwan simply need to drive to one of more than 2,200 battery stations, and swap their batteries for free. The outdoor stations run 24-hours a day, and are said to be able to withstand the typhoons and searing heat of Taiwanese summers.
Gogoro is now planning to make this battery-swapping hardware and technology available to partner companies across Asia. These include Hero in India, Gojek in Indonesia, and DCJ and Yadea in China. Gogoro is also working on a partnership with Yamaha.
I'm sure that works well enough in Korea How long do you envisage that amount of tremendously valuable technology and raw materials is going to last on any UK high street? This is a country where scum have no qualms in attempting to lift metal and hardware from live electricity distribution infrastructure or drive forklifts into the walls of banks to steal cash machines. To say nothing of the bottom feeding vandals whose days are incomplete without a dose of mindless destruction.
It’s sad that that was my exact thought too when I saw this. Reminded me of chavs riding around on Boris bikes in Erith.
Has anybody on here who switched to an electric car regretted their decision?
we did a test drive on the Mustang Mach E last month. Incredibly fun to drive but the range wasn’t great and it was coming in at £55k once it had a reasonable spec. I’m not so sure I can justify that cost for my wife to drive to Canary Wharf twice a week for work but we need a larger vehicle as we have a couple of kids and the associated stuff. Tempted to stick with a petrol SUV for a few more years
really struggling to decide what to go for? So wondered if anyone had regretted their decision
Has anybody on here who switched to an electric car regretted their decision?
we did a test drive on the Mustang Mach E last month. Incredibly fun to drive but the range wasn’t great and it was coming in at £55k once it had a reasonable spec. I’m not so sure I can justify that cost for my wife to drive to Canary Wharf twice a week for work but we need a larger vehicle as we have a couple of kids and the associated stuff. Tempted to stick with a petrol SUV for a few more years
really struggling to decide what to go for? So wondered if anyone had regretted their decision
Not me personally, but my mate had a Tesla X for less than a year and regretted it from week 2. The real life range was about 200 miles, less in winter and he didn't consider his son at Uni which was a 350 mile round trip! He stuck it for 9 months and swapped it for a petrol Cayenne.
Personally I'd buy a £30k Petrol SUV and you could then get your wife a smaller electric if her mileage need is less.
We have a Renault Zoe, 2021 vintage and no home charger, I will go and park up at a local cafe which has a charger, do some work and fill the car up. It does well over 220 miles On a full charge, so have to do it once every 10 days.
Great car, yes not as modern as some recent EVs but has a huge battery for its size and is super efficient with it. Get 4.1 KWpM on the motorway for example.
still if someone wants to get me an ID 3 I’m game to change
Ah good. A Zoe owner so I can ask you a question if you dont mind.
We've got a speed bump in our road, outside our next door neighbours house. Whenever a Zoe approaches it, it makes a 'spaceship' noise under braking. Is that normal? I've never noticed any other car doing it so I'm assuming its Zoe-specific but christ its annoying.
Regen?
Yeah so Zoe's make that noise when they go below 18mph to let people know the car is there. Most EVs should make a sound, but the Zoe has a very unique sound that gets a bit of attention
Silently running EV's are an impending lethal menace. There has been some talk that they should all make a noise in urban areas and/or when travelling under 50km/h I believe it's in the options on some Teslas As with the whole panicked charge away from I.C.E. cars there is no coherent plan or thinking from government. Injuries and fatalities of pedestrians stepping out in front of vehicles "they haven't heard" will reach a threshold at which there will be a furious pant-wetting outcry drenched in hindsight. By then there will be many thousands of costly electric cars on the roads, making little or no noise. Our so called government is barely pretending to give a damn about the infrastructure required to support the 2030 imposition of EVs. Dopey pedestrians getting wiped out by quiet hatchbacks won't feature in any party's plans or budgets.
On the upside, who in their right mind isn't going to want their car to sound like the Millenium Falcon or stampeding elephants as we dawdle across town to work?
Pedestrians will have to get used to cars that don’t make much noise, but I suspect there will be a transition period when there’s an increase in fatalities and injuries.
I already pay more attention than I used to, as there are a few EVs in my street. I’ve always found when I’m cycling around that people sometimes walk out in front of you because they don’t hear you coming, which isn’t such a big deal with a bike.
Has anybody on here who switched to an electric car regretted their decision?
we did a test drive on the Mustang Mach E last month. Incredibly fun to drive but the range wasn’t great and it was coming in at £55k once it had a reasonable spec. I’m not so sure I can justify that cost for my wife to drive to Canary Wharf twice a week for work but we need a larger vehicle as we have a couple of kids and the associated stuff. Tempted to stick with a petrol SUV for a few more years
really struggling to decide what to go for? So wondered if anyone had regretted their decision
I've had my EV for 2 years now and absolutely no regrets.
Real world range is around 230 so fine for 95% of my journeys, but I do have a petrol SUV as well so range anxiety doesn't bother me. If I didn't then I might well regret it.
This is a very informative thread, with the main concern being recharging and mileage of electric cars + costs of course. With my green hat on, I'm concerned about what happens to the hundreds of thousands, maybe millions eventually, of car batteries that can no longer be recycled. Is there a government policy about safe car battery disposal? I've read how batteries can leak into the soil/underground water and thus eventually poison our natural drinking water. I hope we don't wash our hands of this difficult problem by sending our car batteries to some poor African country. Anyone know anything?
I'm toying with the idea of buying a secondhand electric car that allows two way charging (so the vehicle also acts as a battery for the house) and linking it all up to solar panels on the roof. I was wondering if anyone has tried something similar and whether the results were worth it?
Ridiculous idea, @SantaClaus, which you clearly haven't thought through.
This reversal of the usual electrical system will result in your solar panels pouring energy back into the Sun.
Now, just think of the effect of that on global warming. And all so that you can save a few thousands per month on energy costs.
Has anybody on here who switched to an electric car regretted their decision?
we did a test drive on the Mustang Mach E last month. Incredibly fun to drive but the range wasn’t great and it was coming in at £55k once it had a reasonable spec. I’m not so sure I can justify that cost for my wife to drive to Canary Wharf twice a week for work but we need a larger vehicle as we have a couple of kids and the associated stuff. Tempted to stick with a petrol SUV for a few more years
really struggling to decide what to go for? So wondered if anyone had regretted their decision
I love mine but it's for work and only gets 60 miles in the warm weather we have been having and 48-53 in the colder weather. It has a back up petrol generator which saves me the range anxiety.
If I couldnt charge from home I'd hate it. I didn't have a home charger for 2 weeks of having my cab and it was a pain in the arse trying to find a faster charge that either worked or wasnt being used.
I've had to apologise to my neighbours recently as when it charges between 00.30 and 04.30, the fans come on to cool the battery and its makes a fair bit of a noise but only costs me £1.20 so they'll have to put up with it 😁
We have had ours for a year. We both enjoy driving it and it won’t go back. We still have a petrol car and have used that for a couple of long journeys.
It is cheaper to charger than to fill up the petrol car. We have a driveway and charger so I have only used the charging infrastructure a handful of times but it has worked ok.
Servicing costs are cheaper and insurance is not too bad either. They are also good fun to drive.
they are expensive but generally the vehicle trim/spec is good regardless of version you go for.
The charging infrastructure down south from what I can tell is good but needs a lot of improvement the further you get from motorways, legislating contactless payment for all chargers would help massively rather than having to have a bunch of apps/cards to ensure there is one you can use as well.
As it stands if you don’t have a driveway/parking space that has access to a charger I would think very carefully about going electric vehicle right now. That will change I hope. They are also expensive, I guess because buyers at the moment are paying for repurposing of factory lines for electric vehicles in mass form. As those costs pass through And a second hand market develops I hope prices will settle down.
We have had ours for a year. We both enjoy driving it and it won’t go back. We still have a petrol car and have used that for a couple of long journeys.
It is cheaper to charger than to fill up the petrol car. We have a driveway and charger so I have only used the charging infrastructure a handful of times but it has worked ok.
Servicing costs are cheaper and insurance is not too bad either. They are also good fun to drive.
they are expensive but generally the vehicle trim/spec is good regardless of version you go for.
The charging infrastructure down south from what I can tell is good but needs a lot of improvement the further you get from motorways, legislating contactless payment for all chargers would help massively rather than having to have a bunch of apps/cards to ensure there is one you can use as well.
As it stands if you don’t have a driveway/parking space that has access to a charger I would think very carefully about going electric vehicle right now. That will change I hope. They are also expensive, I guess because buyers at the moment are paying for repurposing of factory lines for electric vehicles in mass form. As those costs pass through And a second hand market develops I hope prices will settle down.
Charging infrastructure will be a massive program in the UK and as for second hand vehicles the batteries presumably will be a problem.
2 years, 33000 miles, no regrets, lovely to drive. Range between 200 and 300 miles depending on weather and driving style. More than enough and charging in public has been fine when needed. More big hubs are required as I think the busy holiday weekends will get a bit awkward on long trips, but best to have a couple of options in case it’s really bad. I did the middle of France (Jura) during the jubilee and it was easy. Cost £110 round trip in charging from Manchester. I’m thinking the car batteries are going to last a while and even when they start to get some bad cells (mine is still 100%), they can be recycled and converted to other uses, perhaps home batteries or mobile power supply as a couple of examples.
Around 150 miles in normal driving with air conditioning on Still hate having to plan longest journeys. Changing to an MG ev soon with a longer range.
Motorway service stations have got to get more charging points
Re your last point, yes they do. But when you look at how many cars go into service stations for fuel or refreshments, there will still be a wait for a space for charging. The technology still needs to advance to bring the time it takes to charge down.
Around 150 miles in normal driving with air conditioning on Still hate having to plan longest journeys. Changing to an MG ev soon with a longer range.
Motorway service stations have got to get more charging points
Re your last point, yes they do. But when you look at how many cars go into service stations for fuel or refreshments, there will still be a wait for a space for charging. The technology still needs to advance to bring the time it takes to charge down.
Developments are racing ahead and we are probably no more than 3-5 years from batteries (graphene, carbon electrodes etc...) that are both sustainable (lithium is not the solution) and will give 1000+ mile range and charge 0-80% in 5 minutes. Both game changers.
The bigger issue will be sufficient and sustainable electricity production.
Around 150 miles in normal driving with air conditioning on Still hate having to plan longest journeys. Changing to an MG ev soon with a longer range.
Motorway service stations have got to get more charging points
Re your last point, yes they do. But when you look at how many cars go into service stations for fuel or refreshments, there will still be a wait for a space for charging. The technology still needs to advance to bring the time it takes to charge down.
Developments are racing ahead and we are probably no more than 3-5 years from batteries (graphene, carbon electrodes etc...) that are both sustainable (lithium is not the solution) and will give 1000+ mile range and charge 0-80% in 5 minutes. Both game changers.
The bigger issue will be sufficient and sustainable electricity production.
And it won't be long before the government are losing money from fuel duty etc. as people move from ICE to electric, and the cost goes through the roof for people to charge their cars with added taxes.
I ordered an Ioniq 5 back in March. Was a tough choice between that and a Model 3, but was sold on the size and looks in the end. Lead times are a joke though as delivery not expected till late December!
I ordered an Ioniq 5 back in March. Was a tough choice between that and a Model 3, but was sold on the size and looks in the end. Lead times are a joke though as delivery not expected till late December!
About standard across the car industry at the moment. 6-9 months for any new car is about average, some are even longer. If you'd tried a year ago there were lead times of over a year for many makes/models.
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Yeah so Zoe's make that noise when they go below 18mph to let people know the car is there. Most EVs should make a sound, but the Zoe has a very unique sound that gets a bit of attention
How long do you envisage that amount of tremendously valuable technology and raw materials is going to last on any UK high street?
This is a country where scum have no qualms in attempting to lift metal and hardware from live electricity distribution infrastructure or drive forklifts into the walls of banks to steal cash machines. To say nothing of the bottom feeding vandals whose days are incomplete without a dose of mindless destruction.
There has been some talk that they should all make a noise in urban areas and/or when travelling under 50km/h
I believe it's in the options on some Teslas
As with the whole panicked charge away from I.C.E. cars there is no coherent plan or thinking from government. Injuries and fatalities of pedestrians stepping out in front of vehicles "they haven't heard" will reach a threshold at which there will be a furious pant-wetting outcry drenched in hindsight. By then there will be many thousands of costly electric cars on the roads, making little or no noise. Our so called government is barely pretending to give a damn about the infrastructure required to support the 2030 imposition of EVs. Dopey pedestrians getting wiped out by quiet hatchbacks won't feature in any party's plans or budgets.
On the upside, who in their right mind isn't going to want their car to sound like the Millenium Falcon or stampeding elephants as we dawdle across town to work?
we did a test drive on the Mustang Mach E last month. Incredibly fun to drive but the range wasn’t great and it was coming in at £55k once it had a reasonable spec. I’m not so sure I can justify that cost for my wife to drive to Canary Wharf twice a week for work but we need a larger vehicle as we have a couple of kids and the associated stuff. Tempted to stick with a petrol SUV for a few more years
really struggling to decide what to go for? So wondered if anyone had regretted their decision
Personally I'd buy a £30k Petrol SUV and you could then get your wife a smaller electric if her mileage need is less.
I’ve always found when I’m cycling around that people sometimes walk out in front of you because they don’t hear you coming, which isn’t such a big deal with a bike.
This reversal of the usual electrical system will result in your solar panels pouring energy back into the Sun.
Now, just think of the effect of that on global warming. And all so that you can save a few thousands per month on energy costs.
Ridiculous.
If I couldnt charge from home I'd hate it. I didn't have a home charger for 2 weeks of having my cab and it was a pain in the arse trying to find a faster charge that either worked or wasnt being used.
I've had to apologise to my neighbours recently as when it charges between 00.30 and 04.30, the fans come on to cool the battery and its makes a fair bit of a noise but only costs me £1.20 so they'll have to put up with it 😁
It is cheaper to charger than to fill up the petrol car. We have a driveway and charger so I have only used the charging infrastructure a handful of times but it has worked ok.
Servicing costs are cheaper and insurance is not too bad either. They are also good fun to drive.
they are expensive but generally the vehicle trim/spec is good regardless of version you go for.
As it stands if you don’t have a driveway/parking space that has access to a charger I would think very carefully about going electric vehicle right now. That will change I hope. They are also expensive, I guess because buyers at the moment are paying for repurposing of factory lines for electric vehicles in mass form. As those costs pass through And a second hand market develops I hope prices will settle down.
Many problems still to sort out.
Still hate having to plan longest journeys. Changing to an MG ev soon with a longer range.