Deserved for sa but for me playing for penalties and kicks isn’t rugby.
As a patriotic Englishmen I am as gutted as anyone that we lost but what South Africa did is the footballing equivalent of 'parking the bus' and nicking a 1-0 from a set piece.
Teams play to their strengths and try to avoid the opponents exploiting their weaknesses. South Africa did that today.
Deserved for sa but for me playing for penalties and kicks isn’t rugby.
As a patriotic Englishmen I am as gutted as anyone that we lost but what South Africa did is the footballing equivalent of 'parking the bus' and nicking a 1-0 from a set piece.
Teams play to their strengths and try to avoid the opponents exploiting their weaknesses. South Africa did that today.
Agree with second paragraph but to be honest, apart from a five minute spell in the first half, South Africa were thoroughly in charge of that game. It wasn’t a park the bus performance. More about complete physical control among the forwards.
Besides the poor performance, that has made me realise Rugby will never be on the same level as football in terms of entertainment.
If you were a neutral who decided to watch that game, you wouldn’t have enjoyed it. And it was a World Cup final! I can’t remember the last boring World Cup final for football. 2018 there were 6 goals, 2014 there was a late winner, 2010 there was a late winner, 2006 it went to penalties. I could carry on.
Football will always be the better sport
Give over. The 2010 and 2014 finals were absolutely dog turd...
Deserved for sa but for me playing for penalties and kicks isn’t rugby.
As a patriotic Englishmen I am as gutted as anyone that we lost but what South Africa did is the footballing equivalent of 'parking the bus' and nicking a 1-0 from a set piece.
Teams play to their strengths and try to avoid the opponents exploiting their weaknesses. South Africa did that today.
Agree with second paragraph but to be honest, apart from a five minute spell in the first half, South Africa were thoroughly in charge of that game. It wasn’t a park the bus performance. More about complete physical control among the forwards.
I agree with you. South Africa played it tight and controlled it. I was trying to find a footballing analogy to explain the thinking for those who do not necessarily follow rugby regularly.
I feel sorry for The President, think how much stick he must be taking
Actually, the Saffers in SA aren't like the Saffers in UK - they were very gracious in winning, considering i was the only Pom in the Bar. Even gave me a celebratory glass of Champers. But i did have my green shirted kids in the front row whilst i hid with me head down in the second row. And , you dont wanna mess with my kids !
tbh, the best team won. Despite that SA play quite a bit of Anti-Rugby, but we didnt have the nous to deal with it. Shame really, but maybe the authorities need to look at this scrum bollox, as it isnt conducive to creating a spectacle, plus being so long and boring to perform.
Lets hope.... In 2003, i was living and working in Oz when we beat Oz (watched the final on big screen at Opera House steps) This year, i am living and working in SA .
Oh well, that worked then. No excuse to move back to France then for 2023.
Deserved for sa but for me playing for penalties and kicks isn’t rugby.
As a patriotic Englishmen I am as gutted as anyone that we lost but what South Africa did is the footballing equivalent of 'parking the bus' and nicking a 1-0 from a set piece.
Teams play to their strengths and try to avoid the opponents exploiting their weaknesses. South Africa did that today.
And many England teams in the past have been criticised for being all about the scrum and kicking, and not playing "proper" rugby. Including the 2003 team, where the Aussies used to moan it was all about Wilkinson's kicking.
Some daft reactions on here. Great World Cup by England, beaten by the better team in the final. It wasn’t pretty but they had a game plan and stuck to it. Well done to south Africa and to England for great tournaments.
Embarrassing. The media should take them apart, just like they would the football team in the same situation.
Hmm, like the media did to the England footy team when they were knocked out of the Euros in the semi final against an average Croatia team. Oh no, thats right they didnt and that team were treated like heros for an easy ride to the semis then losing to the first decent team they came across
Embarrassing. The media should take them apart, just like they would the football team in the same situation.
Hmm, like the media did to the England footy team when they were knocked out of the Euros in the semi final against an average Croatia team. Oh no, thats right they didnt and that team were treated like heros for an easy ride to the semis then losing to the first decent team they came across
Again, a tad unfair, as England could only beat who was put in front of them. I felt, at least, that Englnad were moving in the right direction, and certainly their results since have proved that.
ouch !! .. out bulked, out muscled, out 'passioned' and out psyched .. congratulations to S A .. England were not nasty enough and the Boks wanted it more on the day...
Embarrassing. The media should take them apart, just like they would the football team in the same situation.
Hmm, like the media did to the England footy team when they were knocked out of the Euros in the semi final against an average Croatia team. Oh no, thats right they didnt and that team were treated like heros for an easy ride to the semis then losing to the first decent team they came across
Again, a tad unfair, as England could only beat who was put in front of them. I felt, at least, that Englnad were moving in the right direction, and certainly their results since have proved that.
I absolutely agree, my point was the press did not ‘take the footy team apart’ for losing in the semi final and so should not ‘take the rugby team apart’ for losing in the final.
Some daft reactions on here. Great World Cup by England, beaten by the better team in the final. It wasn’t pretty but they had a game plan and stuck to it. Well done to south Africa and to England for great tournaments.
Totally agree. I’m really not a fan of the way South Africa play, but winning ugly is still winning, so fair play to them. England were poor today, too many players didn’t turn up - shame because they were outstanding last week.
At least the “no it all non Rugby experts” can go back to watching indoor bowls or synchronised swimming now.
Besides the poor performance, that has made me realise Rugby will never be on the same level as football in terms of entertainment.
If you were a neutral who decided to watch that game, you wouldn’t have enjoyed it. And it was a World Cup final! I can’t remember the last boring World Cup final for football. 2018 there were 6 goals, 2014 there was a late winner, 2010 there was a late winner, 2006 it went to penalties. I could carry on.
Football will always be the better sport
I'm not going to argue that football is (for most of us) the better sport, after all we are on a football forum.
But you can't possibly think 2010 and 14 were good finals. They were both boring as fuck and late extra time goals saved them both from a penalty shoot out.
Besides the poor performance, that has made me realise Rugby will never be on the same level as football in terms of entertainment.
If you were a neutral who decided to watch that game, you wouldn’t have enjoyed it. And it was a World Cup final! I can’t remember the last boring World Cup final for football. 2018 there were 6 goals, 2014 there was a late winner, 2010 there was a late winner, 2006 it went to penalties. I could carry on.
Football will always be the better sport
I'm not going to argue that football is (for most of us) the better sport, after all we are on a football forum.
But you can't possibly think 2010 and 14 were good finals. They were both boring as fuck and late extra time goals saved them both from a penalty shoot out.
However, the amount of 'dead-time' around Rugby surrounding Scrums,Time management, etc will always blight it - and today would have been a very boring game for a neutral. As long as you allow Anti-Rugby teams like SA win tournos then it will always have a problem attracting fans/new playres alike. Today was an effing bore, if you weren't a SA fan . Actually i had a Belgian mate text me and say it was a boring game today.
At least with Football, you have continuous entertainment.
tbh, the best team won. Despite that SA play quite a bit of Anti-Rugby, but we didnt have the nous to deal with it. Shame really, but maybe the authorities need to look at this scrum bollox, as it isnt conducive to creating a spectacle, plus being so long and boring to perform.
I agree that the scrum needs sorting out, it won't be easy, BUT the set scrum and the line out are integral parts of Rugby Union .. 1/2 the problem is scrum halves taking too long to get the ball in the tunnel .. if you want a fast flowing non stop game with no real scrums, then Rugby League is the game for you
tbh, the best team won. Despite that SA play quite a bit of Anti-Rugby, but we didnt have the nous to deal with it. Shame really, but maybe the authorities need to look at this scrum bollox, as it isnt conducive to creating a spectacle, plus being so long and boring to perform.
I agree that the scrum needs sorting out, it won't be easy, BUT the set scrum and the line out are integral parts of Rugby Union .. 1/2 the problem is scrum halves taking too long to get the ball in the tunnel .. if you want a fast flowing non stop game with no real scrums, then Rugby League is the game for you
Yes, when i worked in Leeds, i used to go to Leeds Rhinos on Friday nights, and RU has a lot to something to learn from RL.
I'm absolutely gutted. The last time I felt this bad over a lost was the 2-1and 3-1 defeats at the Den.
Yet again a team that is brilliant in a semi final fails to perform in the final. Maybe I got my excuse in early when I said this England side wouldn't peak for two more years.
I watched from 7am and from the Coach turning up just an hour before KO to young Sinckler being Knocked out cold we were on the back foot from the start. Probably hard to understand for the occasional Rugby watcher how we were tanked today after the excellence of the win over the All blacks ? This is what the Springboks do in finals. Played 3 won 3. They even scored a couple of tries today where it's normally penalities or dropped goals they win World cups.
The term arm wrestle is always used when talking about SA. For England to have won today they had to score the try after 25 phases when they were just a few feet from the try line. Young's for me had to give the ball to his left with both Itoje and Underhill waiting to go over the line but gave the ball to his right where Billy Vunipola was repelled by two giant defenders. That was the closest we came as the ball ended up going wide and we lost territory.
We went from a Derby winner one week to a also ran at the Lingfield trial the next.
South Africa went from Bang average to ripping our arm off. Deserved winners but I'm still gutted.
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Teams play to their strengths and try to avoid the opponents exploiting their weaknesses. South Africa did that today.
But i did have my green shirted kids in the front row whilst i hid with me head down in the second row. And , you dont wanna mess with my kids !
Despite that SA play quite a bit of Anti-Rugby, but we didnt have the nous to deal with it.
Shame really, but maybe the authorities need to look at this scrum bollox, as it isnt conducive to creating a spectacle, plus being so long and boring to perform.
No excuse to move back to France then for 2023.
I now fear a shit sporting weekend.
I hope it goes back to Japan at some time.
But you can't possibly think 2010 and 14 were good finals. They were both boring as fuck and late extra time goals saved them both from a penalty shoot out.
Actually i had a Belgian mate text me and say it was a boring game today.
At least with Football, you have continuous entertainment.
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The last time I felt this bad over a lost was the 2-1and 3-1 defeats at the Den.
Yet again a team that is brilliant in a semi final fails to perform in the final. Maybe I got my excuse in early when I said this England side wouldn't peak for two more years.
I watched from 7am and from the Coach turning up just an hour before KO to young Sinckler being Knocked out cold we were on the back foot from the start.
Probably hard to understand for the occasional Rugby watcher how we were tanked today after the excellence of the win over the All blacks ? This is what the Springboks do in finals. Played 3 won 3. They even scored a couple of tries today where it's normally penalities or dropped goals they win World cups.
The term arm wrestle is always used when talking about SA. For England to have won today they had to score the try after 25 phases when they were just a few feet from the try line. Young's for me had to give the ball to his left with both Itoje and Underhill waiting to go over the line but gave the ball to his right where Billy Vunipola was repelled by two giant defenders. That was the closest we came as the ball ended up going wide and we lost territory.
We went from a Derby winner one week to a also ran at the Lingfield trial the next.
South Africa went from Bang average to ripping our arm off. Deserved winners but I'm still gutted.