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    NE3Mackem said:
    Thought I’d sign up having seen this thread. 

    My first memory of a proper big occasion was the play off final in 98, so thanks for that  :D

    At the start of the season I predicted play offs for us, and the one team I wanted to avoid was... Charlton. That feeling has probably grown of late as we’ve been poor for a while, whereas your team seems to have grown in confidence. Can only think that all goes out of the window as realistically we’re two fairly evenly matched sides. If I had to stick my neck out for a prediction I’ll go with Charlton winning it in extra time. Our key players like Maguire and McGeady are returning from injury, or potentially still injured. We might run out of steam late on. 

    Hoping for a good day out regardless, particularly as Charlton fans seem to be a good bunch in the main. Unlike Pompey  :/


    No Pompey are in the Main, we are on the Thames.
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    My bets are on Cattermole missing the only penalty in a shootout (Mickey Gray vibes) after we scrape through extra time undeservedly
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    edited May 2019
    Yeltas said:

    Haha brill - Two of me - I hope I meet this guy at Wembley 
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=yelta&amp=true

    well, you taught me one thing in your short appearance
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    edited May 2019
    We only win play offs when we play Ipswich in the semi finals ..
    your turn to win mr Sunderland...
    I called a play off final defeat a long time back for us and haven’t seen anything that will change that .
    Can't we have one thread where you don't post about us losing? It's really tedious. 
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    NE3Mackem said:
    Alreet soft lads. Thought I'd drop in and say hello.

    You are mostly very confident I see. I'd say its a pure 50/50. No favourite at all. 

    We go into it ok-ish. Obviously the season end was flat but beating what many seemed to think was an unbeatable (for us) Portsmouth has given us a boost. I think the poor season end was overplayed, with the Southend on last day especially being a nothing game for us. 

    We won't have Mcgeady of course and that is a blow. He might make the bench but he hasn't trained for a month and in the minutes he has played with the fractured foot, he's looked understandably off the pace. 

    But I'm still reasonably confident. Despite what some Sunderland fans think, personally I think this squad has good mental strength.
    The defense has been ok and although we are not high goalscoring, we can get one of two. 

    I think we will set up for a tight game. Can't see anything like a 3-3. Think your best opportunity against us is height and pace.

    Despite all the talk of biggest budget in the league when you analyse our squad it's slow and small. 

    On the crowd front we are not convinced we will sell out. The checkatrade final seems to have blown everyone out in several ways. Money seems to be the main issue, and having already been there only weeks ago, there is not the same motivation to push the boat out again. It's only Tuesday though, they might have been sold by the end of the week. I'm not expecting the Trafalgar Square display again as many more are there and back in a day to save money.
    What it might help with though is the atmosphere, with everyone being completely ruined by time CT kicked off from the day before.

    There won't be any trouble anyhow and there seems to be good relations between the two sets of fans. 

    Anyway, that's enough for now. 
    Bloody relieved by what you say about McGeady's chances of missing the game

    Do you think your season has been ruined by the fact that Josh Maja left?

    In the two games against Portsmouth I was shocked at how slow your players appear to be, correct assessment would you say or am I missing something?

    I think our problem has been buying injured strikers. 

    Wyke was injured and is only looking match fit now.
    Grigg has been very poor, but again he was injured when we bought him. I don't think he's anywhere near fit and my reading of his body language is that he doesn't want to play injured. 

    Maja had an uncanny knack if finding bottom corner every time. 

    We've not looked that threatening all season in my opinion. I reckon my son u10 team break faster than Sunderland. 

    Wyke has looked a handful at times since he’s been fit but ultimately lacks quality. 

    Maja should not not have been scoring the goals he was by rights. He was either the best finisher in the world or on a lucky streak. I know what my money is on - he hasn’t torn up trees in France. 
    I never saw Maja play, but I remember seeing a graphic from Experimental 361 that included him. He was converting shots at a ridiculous rate compared to the other top scorers in the football league. This lines up exactly with that graphic.
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    edited May 2019
    Croydon said:
    We only win play offs when we play Ipswich in the semi finals ..
    your turn to win mr Sunderland...
    I called a play off final defeat a long time back for us and haven’t seen anything that will change that .
    Can't we have one thread where you don't post about us losing? It's really tedious. 
    Maybe so but you’re just as boring moaning about my tedious opinion , you never moaned when I said we’re definitely going to Wembley !
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    Lyle Taylor 89th minute winner.
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    Lyle Taylor 89th minute winner.
    My god that would be bedlam in the stands... followed by the longest five minutes of added time in history.
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    Always seemed genuine, the slagging of the north I don’t get, better nights out less violence what’s not to like! 
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    edited May 2019
    They are a club with real personality and history who have bigger neighbours who constantly crow about their size and importance

    We can understand and appreciate it because we are a club with personality and history surrounded by arrogant other London clubs and fans

    We also have a shared experience, voted the third best game at the old Wembley.

    I’d say we have much in common and should create a cracking atmosphere on Sunday without the undoubted arseholes from both clubs taking centre stage 
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    Only five minutes added normally 8 when were Winning 
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    Still amazes me that they paid 4m for Grigg.............and then play a system (from what i've read) that doesn't even suit him.

    At league one level that's crazy money, even 1-2m is. They could've gone out and bought four 1m players and smashed promotion.
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    We have enough about us to dispatch any team in this league on our day. Look at Luton at home among others for evidence of that.

    But so do Sunderland. If they turn up and we don’t, we lose the game.

    If both sides turn up, I don’t want to call it one way or the other. My heart says CAFC, my head is torn.

    this is where I'm at, for me it's a proper 50/50 game
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    edited May 2019
    I think you can adapt your system. The issue with Grigg seemed to be that he was not fully fit. It was a bit of a desperate buy, but when fit, he is proven at this level.

    In terms of confidence - I think Bielik, Cullen, Aribo, Sarr, Pearce, Bauer and Taylor would walk into their team and you could make a case for a few others. Now football is more complicated, but I would say that given this, we ought to be standing up throwing the punches on Sunday rather than trying to avoid them. Not literally :)
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    Still amazes me that they paid 4m for Grigg.............and then play a system (from what i've read) that doesn't even suit him.

    At league one level that's crazy money, even 1-2m is. They could've gone out and bought four 1m players and smashed promotion.
    Tbf to them i think the 4m fee is dependent on promotion, and he's been suffering from an injury since they signed him, they were after a few others before him and it does look like a panic buy, hopefully he continues to be crap for at least another game.
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    We know all there is to know when it comes to panic buys, and it starts back in the 60's when we replaced Len Glover (sold for £80,000) with Jimmy Mullen (cost £7,000 and hardly played a game).
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    Still amazes me that they paid 4m for Grigg.............and then play a system (from what i've read) that doesn't even suit him.

    At league one level that's crazy money, even 1-2m is. They could've gone out and bought four 1m players and smashed promotion.
    Ironically they could have had Taylor for nothing. Had they signed him they probably would have gone straight up.
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    edited May 2019
    I think they offered Taylor more money but he didn't want to move up North. Joining us, he probably didn't even have to move after leaving Wimbledon.
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    holyjo said:


    We also have a shared experience, voted the third best game at the old Wembley.


    I presume England winning the World Cup Final was one , what was the other ?
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    Lyle Taylor 89th minute winner.
    After 88mins of Sunderland unable to get out of their half?
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    holyjo said:


    We also have a shared experience, voted the third best game at the old Wembley.


    I presume England winning the World Cup Final was one , what was the other ?
    Stanley Matthews final? i'm guessing.
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    2 May 1953
    Blackpool4–3Bolton Wanderers
    Mortensen Goal 35'68'89'
    Perry Goal 90+2'
    (Report)Lofthouse Goal 2' 
    Moir Goal 39' 
    Bell Goal 55'
    Attendance: 100,000
    Referee: B. M. Griffiths


    yep must be this one , cheers Charlton Stu 
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    What a load of crap... Both the World Cup and FA Cup game had less goals than our game (Not to mention penalties)!!

    Can we have a second referendum?... I mean vote?
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    Has the nasty man gone?
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    Addickted said:
    Has the nasty man gone?
    Nope,he reckons he's still trying to sell the club and that he's scared of being hit with a thermos lobbed from the stands at Wembley so he's not going 😉
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    Talal said:
    NE3Mackem said:
    Alreet soft lads. Thought I'd drop in and say hello.

    You are mostly very confident I see. I'd say its a pure 50/50. No favourite at all. 

    We go into it ok-ish. Obviously the season end was flat but beating what many seemed to think was an unbeatable (for us) Portsmouth has given us a boost. I think the poor season end was overplayed, with the Southend on last day especially being a nothing game for us. 

    We won't have Mcgeady of course and that is a blow. He might make the bench but he hasn't trained for a month and in the minutes he has played with the fractured foot, he's looked understandably off the pace. 

    But I'm still reasonably confident. Despite what some Sunderland fans think, personally I think this squad has good mental strength.
    The defense has been ok and although we are not high goalscoring, we can get one of two. 

    I think we will set up for a tight game. Can't see anything like a 3-3. Think your best opportunity against us is height and pace.

    Despite all the talk of biggest budget in the league when you analyse our squad it's slow and small. 

    On the crowd front we are not convinced we will sell out. The checkatrade final seems to have blown everyone out in several ways. Money seems to be the main issue, and having already been there only weeks ago, there is not the same motivation to push the boat out again. It's only Tuesday though, they might have been sold by the end of the week. I'm not expecting the Trafalgar Square display again as many more are there and back in a day to save money.
    What it might help with though is the atmosphere, with everyone being completely ruined by time CT kicked off from the day before.

    There won't be any trouble anyhow and there seems to be good relations between the two sets of fans. 

    Anyway, that's enough for now. 
    Bloody relieved by what you say about McGeady's chances of missing the game

    Do you think your season has been ruined by the fact that Josh Maja left?

    In the two games against Portsmouth I was shocked at how slow your players appear to be, correct assessment would you say or am I missing something?

    One of our biggest weaknesses is the four players who tend to be used in the two central midfield spaces at various times (Cattermole, Leadbitter, McGeough and Power) are all much of a muchness. None of them are especially athletic, Power seems the fastest by virtue of youth alone. They’re all about 5’10/5’11. Loads of games this season you can see we’ve been crying out for a proper athlete in midfield.

    Our centre halves are even slower. Flanagan, who is very much our first choice, turns slower than a battleship.  

    Flanagan doesn't look like he'd be strong enough to be a centre back, looks quite scrawny but I guess that can be deceiving.

    Other than McGeady and Maguire what creative players do you have? 
    Morgan, Leadbitter from set pieces, then failing that probably Oviedo
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    Is Grigg even that good? Other L1 strikers have stepped up and done it in the Championship and higher but he hasn't.

    Yes he's scored lots of goals in L1, but always for top of the table teams who create lots of chances. The MKD team he had that season with scored 101 goals in getting promotion, so scoring 20 is hardly exceptional. Similarly at L1 level, Wigan have always been really good

    The goal scoring feats of the likes Ian Henderson to me are more impressive.
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