Celtic is a big game, that's a given. But seriously? Aside from maybe Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen the rest are tiny clubs. That's half the season spent crushing minnows. How rewarding is that?
Scottish Premiership cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Celtic
1,095,229
57,644
Rangers
941,720
49,564
Hibernian
337,724
17,775
Hearts
333,724
17,564
Aberdeen
283,567
14,925
Kilmarnock
130,999
6,895
Dundee
114,509
6,027
Motherwell
103,512
5,448
St Mirren
101,680
5,352
St Johnstone
73,937
3,891
Livingston
69,616
3,664
Hamilton Acad
53,760
2,829
Scottish Championship cumulative attendance
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Dundee United
91,415
5,078
Dunfermline
90,153
5,008
Falkirk
85,361
4,742
Ross County
70,092
3,894
Partick Thistle
54,771
3,042
Inverness CT
45,864
2,548
Ayr United
39,016
2,168
Morton
35,065
1,948
Queen of the South
29,799
1,656
Alloa Athletic
21,215
1,179
Scottish League One cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Raith Rovers
28,059
1,559
Arbroath
17,392
966
Montrose
14,238
791
Airdrieonians
13,743
764
East Fife
12,565
698
Forfar Athletic
11,976
665
Dumbarton
11,194
622
Brechin City
10,457
581
Stenhousemuir
10,286
571
Stranraer
6,108
339
Scottish League Two cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Peterhead
12,021
668
Clyde
11,485
638
Elgin City
11,211
623
Queen's Park
11,001
611
Stirling Albion
10,583
588
Berwick Rangers
8,599
478
Edinburgh City
7,223
401
Annan Athletic
7,168
398
Cowdenbeath
6,384
355
Albion Rovers
5,151
286
There appears to be no point playing any games, as their league position is determined by their average attendance.
Its very enjoyable how deluded Rangers & Celtic are, neither would get promoted from championship and I think Rangers would be in relegation trouble
Could be right about Rangers. But Celtic would be up by the second year, easy.
Their gigantic attendances would lead to large matchday income advantages.
Being in English football, they would attract more bigger-money sponsors right away.
Celtic is a bigger club than ANY club in the Championship globally (except maybe Leeds) and good players would die to play there. Within two transfer windows they would have the best team in the division by a landslide.
Once in the PL, this dynamic would get even bigger. I think in time they would be top 7 regularly. Just like every other club that averages 58,000+ per match.
You guys need to move on. Rangers are much bigger than Charlton and he is making much more money there, is probably happier there, is winning, and within 1-2 years will be sold at a huge profit and likely play in the PL. He does not miss us. Time for you guys to deal with it and stop making some bizarre fetish over his decision.
One of their 5 relevant games this season and he played 7 minutes. Thought he was a PL player in the making for us, I hope his move to Scotland does not become a failure.
Rangers fans don’t rate him . It’s a very bad move in my opinion.
Rangers fan here. Can confirm we do rate him, he’s one of our better midfielders if a little raw. We play Thursday-Sunday and did last year. Our squad was stretched. We have plenty of very good midfielders which allows us to use our squad depth, and is something Gerrard has done and will continue to do.
Side note, since bowyer said this was a bad move for him - he’s been called up and beat Feyenoord in the Europa league, and already scored a couple in the qualifiers. He will move on to an English side for £10m+ In the future if he continues the way he has. He still has lots of learning to do. I cannot understand why so many Charlton fans are saying this is a bad move for him? You can bang on about opposition but outside 3 or 4 clubs in the championship, your league isn’t up to much either. On top of that he will be visiting Porto, Rotterdam and Bern for europa league matches. It’s a win-win. Cheap signing for us which has proven to be a great move this far, and a good platform for Aribo to try and get that move to a bigger league.
Just to put you right here re The Championship, it is rated as the seventh most highly rated/powerful league in world football.
So powerful you cannot compete with Rangers or Celtic for wages, you cannot enter European competitions. You are limited for being in such a “powerful” league. A league that wasn’t deemed worthy of a cap for Aribo. Funny that.
Charlton to Rangers is a step up, a big one at that. No offence to you and i’m sure Charlton is a great club with great traditions etc but you aren’t even on the same level as Rangers or Celtic.
In terms of size of club and fanbase you are correct.
As regards the quality of football then you are sadly mistaken.
Celtic and Rangers I feel would struggle badly in the Premier League. Aberdeen and Hearts might survive in the Championship. The rest are League 1 material.
You guys need to move on. Rangers are much bigger than Charlton and he is making much more money there, is probably happier there, is winning, and within 1-2 years will be sold at a huge profit and likely play in the PL. He does not miss us. Time for you guys to deal with it and stop making some bizarre fetish over his decision.
Over half your statement isn’t quite right though.
Yes, Rangers are a bigger club and Aribo is being paid higher wages.
Not sure how you can see he’s probably happier due to this. Also, Aribo was already winning with us, so not like being at Rangers is his first taste of winning games. Aribo staying with us for 1-2 years would also have seen him sold for a large fee and to a PL team.
One of their 5 relevant games this season and he played 7 minutes. Thought he was a PL player in the making for us, I hope his move to Scotland does not become a failure.
Rangers fans don’t rate him . It’s a very bad move in my opinion.
Rangers fan here. Can confirm we do rate him, he’s one of our better midfielders if a little raw. We play Thursday-Sunday and did last year. Our squad was stretched. We have plenty of very good midfielders which allows us to use our squad depth, and is something Gerrard has done and will continue to do.
Side note, since bowyer said this was a bad move for him - he’s been called up and beat Feyenoord in the Europa league, and already scored a couple in the qualifiers. He will move on to an English side for £10m+ In the future if he continues the way he has. He still has lots of learning to do. I cannot understand why so many Charlton fans are saying this is a bad move for him? You can bang on about opposition but outside 3 or 4 clubs in the championship, your league isn’t up to much either. On top of that he will be visiting Porto, Rotterdam and Bern for europa league matches. It’s a win-win. Cheap signing for us which has proven to be a great move this far, and a good platform for Aribo to try and get that move to a bigger league.
Just to put you right here re The Championship, it is rated as the seventh most highly rated/powerful league in world football.
So powerful you cannot compete with Rangers or Celtic for wages, you cannot enter European competitions. You are limited for being in such a “powerful” league. A league that wasn’t deemed worthy of a cap for Aribo. Funny that.
Charlton to Rangers is a step up, a big one at that. No offence to you and i’m sure Charlton is a great club with great traditions etc but you aren’t even on the same level as Rangers or Celtic.
In terms of size of club and fanbase you are correct.
As regards the quality of football then you are sadly mistaken.
Celtic and Rangers I feel would struggle badly in the Premier League. Aberdeen and Hearts might survive in the Championship. The rest are League 1 material.
Never understand why people say this.
Yes their current sides would obviously struggle in the premier league, and perhaps wouldn't even get promoted out of the championship.
But put both those sides in the premier league with 150m income every season, added to their fanbases and both sides would soon be well established PL clubs.
Celtic is a big game, that's a given. But seriously? Aside from maybe Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen the rest are tiny clubs. That's half the season spent crushing minnows. How rewarding is that?
Scottish Premiership cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Celtic
1,095,229
57,644
Rangers
941,720
49,564
Hibernian
337,724
17,775
Hearts
333,724
17,564
Aberdeen
283,567
14,925
Kilmarnock
130,999
6,895
Dundee
114,509
6,027
Motherwell
103,512
5,448
St Mirren
101,680
5,352
St Johnstone
73,937
3,891
Livingston
69,616
3,664
Hamilton Acad
53,760
2,829
Scottish Championship cumulative attendance
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Dundee United
91,415
5,078
Dunfermline
90,153
5,008
Falkirk
85,361
4,742
Ross County
70,092
3,894
Partick Thistle
54,771
3,042
Inverness CT
45,864
2,548
Ayr United
39,016
2,168
Morton
35,065
1,948
Queen of the South
29,799
1,656
Alloa Athletic
21,215
1,179
Scottish League One cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Raith Rovers
28,059
1,559
Arbroath
17,392
966
Montrose
14,238
791
Airdrieonians
13,743
764
East Fife
12,565
698
Forfar Athletic
11,976
665
Dumbarton
11,194
622
Brechin City
10,457
581
Stenhousemuir
10,286
571
Stranraer
6,108
339
Scottish League Two cumulative attendances
Total home crowd
Average home crowd
Peterhead
12,021
668
Clyde
11,485
638
Elgin City
11,211
623
Queen's Park
11,001
611
Stirling Albion
10,583
588
Berwick Rangers
8,599
478
Edinburgh City
7,223
401
Annan Athletic
7,168
398
Cowdenbeath
6,384
355
Albion Rovers
5,151
286
Financially, many times more rewarding than staying here playing and losing at glamorous places like Wigan.
One of their 5 relevant games this season and he played 7 minutes. Thought he was a PL player in the making for us, I hope his move to Scotland does not become a failure.
Rangers fans don’t rate him . It’s a very bad move in my opinion.
Rangers fan here. Can confirm we do rate him, he’s one of our better midfielders if a little raw. We play Thursday-Sunday and did last year. Our squad was stretched. We have plenty of very good midfielders which allows us to use our squad depth, and is something Gerrard has done and will continue to do.
Side note, since bowyer said this was a bad move for him - he’s been called up and beat Feyenoord in the Europa league, and already scored a couple in the qualifiers. He will move on to an English side for £10m+ In the future if he continues the way he has. He still has lots of learning to do. I cannot understand why so many Charlton fans are saying this is a bad move for him? You can bang on about opposition but outside 3 or 4 clubs in the championship, your league isn’t up to much either. On top of that he will be visiting Porto, Rotterdam and Bern for europa league matches. It’s a win-win. Cheap signing for us which has proven to be a great move this far, and a good platform for Aribo to try and get that move to a bigger league.
Just to put you right here re The Championship, it is rated as the seventh most highly rated/powerful league in world football.
So powerful you cannot compete with Rangers or Celtic for wages, you cannot enter European competitions. You are limited for being in such a “powerful” league. A league that wasn’t deemed worthy of a cap for Aribo. Funny that.
Charlton to Rangers is a step up, a big one at that. No offence to you and i’m sure Charlton is a great club with great traditions etc but you aren’t even on the same level as Rangers or Celtic.
In terms of size of club and fanbase you are correct.
As regards the quality of football then you are sadly mistaken.
Celtic and Rangers I feel would struggle badly in the Premier League. Aberdeen and Hearts might survive in the Championship. The rest are League 1 material.
Never understand why people say this.
Yes their current sides would obviously struggle in the premier league, and perhaps wouldn't even get promoted out of the championship.
But put both those sides in the premier league with 150m income every season, added to their fanbases and both sides would soon be well established PL clubs.
So would we...with a few less on the fan base (to start with)
You guys need to move on. Rangers are much bigger than Charlton and he is making much more money there, is probably happier there, is winning, and within 1-2 years will be sold at a huge profit and likely play in the PL. He does not miss us. Time for you guys to deal with it and stop making some bizarre fetish over his decision.
You would think a much bigger club should be required to pay much better compensation than the pathetic amount they have done.
Bigger clubs poncing off other clubs is ruining clubs across Britain.
You guys need to move on. Rangers are much bigger than Charlton and he is making much more money there, is probably happier there, is winning, and within 1-2 years will be sold at a huge profit and likely play in the PL. He does not miss us. Time for you guys to deal with it and stop making some bizarre fetish over his decision.
You would think a much bigger club should be required to pay much better compensation than the pathetic amount they have done.
Bigger clubs poncing off other clubs is ruining clubs across Britain.
Cross border Compo is capped. As if a clubs going to pay more than they have to?
I am sure Bowyer does not dispute that in terms of history and crowd size Rangers is a far bigger club than Charlton. No sane person could dispute that. I think his concern is more about the rest of the league apart from Celtic.
It was also about the alternative, he would have been bought by a good Championship side such as Derby or Forest. So each week he would be playing against much better teams than most of your opposition. Of course the irony is that it would have been true had he stayed but then we get to our cretinous owner as well as the malign influence of agents.
But European football is a plus. Unlike some here I don't diss the Europa League, that's a great opportunity for someone who was in League One last season.
I am sure Bowyer does not dispute that in terms of history and crowd size Rangers is a far bigger club than Charlton. No sane person could dispute that. I think his concern is more about the rest of the league apart from Celtic.
It was also about the alternative, he would have been bought by a good Championship side such as Derby or Forest. So each week he would be playing against much better teams than most of your opposition. Of course the irony is that it would have been true had he stayed but then we get to our cretinous owner as well as the malign influence of agents.
But European football is a plus. Unlike some here I don't diss the Europa League, that's a great opportunity for someone who was in League One last season.
I take on board the point about opposition - however it’s often spoken on here, and other message boards, like your league is filled with Derby’s and Forest’s.
We both know that’s not true. We both also know Joe Aribo will most likely go straight to the premiership from us. The best fullback in England came from Scottish 3rd division. Arsenal have just paid 25m for another Scottish fullback. There is quality here.
Rangers or Celtic is a good platform for any player to show their worth, even players from the championship.
Aribo scores V Brazil. Looks like he made the wrong decision to go to scotland
I’m not convinced Two-Bob Rangers have done anything to his game that led to the goal
Since joining “two-bob” Rangers, He’s beet Feyenoord in Europe, 2 caps for Nigeria, 2 goals for nigeria and is now top of the league.
Learn from Lee Bowyer or learn from Steven Gerrard...
Two bob right enough, he could be sitting 10th in the championship.
Rather be in the Championship tbh.
Too right.
Feyenoord are not exactly a scalp, they’re average. The only reason why they got into the Europa League is because they had Van Persie scoring all their goals last season.
Aribo would still have been called up whether he was playing in the Championship or at Rangers. That argument is pointless. All you need to do look at how many call ups there are in the Championship to realise this.
100% learn from Lee Bowyer. That’s not bias, that’s because there has been a clear progression and development of players under Bowyer with no budget. Gerrard has spent money and has not shown any of the same coaching qualities or abilities in developing players as Bowyer has. Their record is also pretty much the same as well, and for a club like Rangers in the SPL in comparison to a club like Charlton in League One and then the Championship, it puts a good case forward that Bowyer is the better manager.
Being a better player doesn’t make you a better manager or coach. It’s being able to transfer that ability across to others.
Sitting top now, but won’t be at the end of the season.
Might be playing in Europe, but won’t be for long. Might be playing in front of more fans, but it’s still a step back in development and competitive standard in Scotland.
Aribo scores V Brazil. Looks like he made the wrong decision to go to scotland
I’m not convinced Two-Bob Rangers have done anything to his game that led to the goal
Since joining “two-bob” Rangers, He’s beet Feyenoord in Europe, 2 caps for Nigeria, 2 goals for nigeria and is now top of the league.
Learn from Lee Bowyer or learn from Steven Gerrard...
Two bob right enough, he could be sitting 10th in the championship.
Rather be in the Championship tbh.
Too right.
Feyenoord are not exactly a scalp, they’re average. The only reason why they got into the Europa League is because they had Van Persie scoring all their goals last season.
Aribo would still have been called up whether he was playing in the Championship or at Rangers. That argument is pointless. All you need to do look at how many call ups there are in the Championship to realise this.
100% learn from Lee Bowyer. That’s not bias, that’s because there has been a clear progression and development of players under Bowyer with no budget. Gerrard has spent money and has not shown any of the same coaching qualities or abilities in developing players as Bowyer has. Their record is also pretty much the same as well, and for a club like Rangers in the SPL in comparison to a club like Charlton in League One and then the Championship, it puts a good case forward that Bowyer is the better manager.
Being a better player doesn’t make you a better manager or coach. It’s being able to transfer that ability across to others.
Sitting top now, but won’t be at the end of the season.
Might be playing in Europe, but won’t be for long. Might be playing in front of more fans, but it’s still a step back in development and competitive standard in Scotland.
Gerrard has shown no qualities in developing players?
he took a squad that got knocked out by progres neiderkorn of luxembourgh in r1 europa league qualifier, to the group stages the next season, and took it down to the last game to get out.
THEN he spent money.
He has taken Rangers to top of the league (properly) for the first time in what, 7 years?
We are now in a group with Porto, Young Boys and Feyenoord (could be a CL group, no?) which we will probably get out of.
so i kindly decline your notion that Gerrard is not a good manager, While LB languishes mid table in the championship, just suffered a narrow defeat to Welsh giants Swansea. You’re right Lee Bowyer all day
Aribo scores V Brazil. Looks like he made the wrong decision to go to scotland
I’m not convinced Two-Bob Rangers have done anything to his game that led to the goal
Since joining “two-bob” Rangers, He’s beet Feyenoord in Europe, 2 caps for Nigeria, 2 goals for nigeria and is now top of the league.
Learn from Lee Bowyer or learn from Steven Gerrard...
Two bob right enough, he could be sitting 10th in the championship.
Rather be in the Championship tbh.
Too right.
Feyenoord are not exactly a scalp, they’re average. The only reason why they got into the Europa League is because they had Van Persie scoring all their goals last season.
Aribo would still have been called up whether he was playing in the Championship or at Rangers. That argument is pointless. All you need to do look at how many call ups there are in the Championship to realise this.
100% learn from Lee Bowyer. That’s not bias, that’s because there has been a clear progression and development of players under Bowyer with no budget. Gerrard has spent money and has not shown any of the same coaching qualities or abilities in developing players as Bowyer has. Their record is also pretty much the same as well, and for a club like Rangers in the SPL in comparison to a club like Charlton in League One and then the Championship, it puts a good case forward that Bowyer is the better manager.
Being a better player doesn’t make you a better manager or coach. It’s being able to transfer that ability across to others.
Sitting top now, but won’t be at the end of the season.
Might be playing in Europe, but won’t be for long. Might be playing in front of more fans, but it’s still a step back in development and competitive standard in Scotland.
Gerrard has shown no qualities in developing players?
he took a squad that got knocked out by progres neiderkorn of luxembourgh in r1 europa league qualifier, to the group stages the next season, and took it down to the last game to get out.
THEN he spent money.
He has taken Rangers to top of the league (properly) for the first time in what, 7 years?
We are now in a group with Porto, Young Boys and Feyenoord (could be a CL group, no?) which we will probably get out of.
so i kindly decline your notion that Gerrard is not a good manager, While LB languishes mid table in the championship, just suffered a narrow defeat to Welsh giants Swansea. You’re right Lee Bowyer all day
Havent got involved in this arguement until i saw this comment, what makes u think you will probably get out of it, i would be surprised if you did.
Lose twice to Porto Lose in Holland Maybe draw at home to Young Boys
FYI I prefer Rangers to Celtic always have so its nothing against you personally, just dont think u are ready just yet to challenge teams like Porto
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As regards the quality of football then you are sadly mistaken.
Celtic and Rangers I feel would struggle badly in the Premier League. Aberdeen and Hearts might survive in the Championship. The rest are League 1 material.
Yes, Rangers are a bigger club and Aribo is being paid higher wages.
Not sure how you can see he’s probably happier due to this. Also, Aribo was already winning with us, so not like being at Rangers is his first taste of winning games. Aribo staying with us for 1-2 years would also have seen him sold for a large fee and to a PL team.
Yes their current sides would obviously struggle in the premier league, and perhaps wouldn't even get promoted out of the championship.
But put both those sides in the premier league with 150m income every season, added to their fanbases and both sides would soon be well established PL clubs.
Bit of a stupid comment even if u was joking
Bigger clubs poncing off other clubs is ruining clubs across Britain.
22' SUB: Steven Davis comes on to replace Joe Aribo who is back on his feet and able to walk off the field after treatment | 0-1
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I am sure Bowyer does not dispute that in terms of history and crowd size Rangers is a far bigger club than Charlton. No sane person could dispute that. I think his concern is more about the rest of the league apart from Celtic.
It was also about the alternative, he would have been bought by a good Championship side such as Derby or Forest. So each week he would be playing against much better teams than most of your opposition. Of course the irony is that it would have been true had he stayed but then we get to our cretinous owner as well as the malign influence of agents.
But European football is a plus. Unlike some here I don't diss the Europa League, that's a great opportunity for someone who was in League One last season.
Feyenoord are not exactly a scalp, they’re average. The only reason why they got into the Europa League is because they had Van Persie scoring all their goals last season.
Aribo would still have been called up whether he was playing in the Championship or at Rangers. That argument is pointless. All you need to do look at how many call ups there are in the Championship to realise this.
100% learn from Lee Bowyer. That’s not bias, that’s because there has been a clear progression and development of players under Bowyer with no budget. Gerrard has spent money and has not shown any of the same coaching qualities or abilities in developing players as Bowyer has. Their record is also pretty much the same as well, and for a club like Rangers in the SPL in comparison to a club like Charlton in League One and then the Championship, it puts a good case forward that Bowyer is the better manager.
Being a better player doesn’t make you a better manager or coach. It’s being able to transfer that ability across to others.
Sitting top now, but won’t be at the end of the season.
Might be playing in Europe, but won’t be for long. Might be playing in front of more fans, but it’s still a step back in development and competitive standard in Scotland.
he took a squad that got knocked out by progres neiderkorn of luxembourgh in r1 europa league qualifier, to the group stages the next season, and took it down to the last game to get out.
We are now in a group with Porto, Young Boys and Feyenoord (could be a CL group, no?) which we will probably get out of.
so i kindly decline your notion that Gerrard is not a good manager, While LB languishes mid table in the championship, just suffered a narrow defeat to Welsh giants Swansea. You’re right Lee Bowyer all day
Lose twice to Porto
Lose in Holland
Maybe draw at home to Young Boys
FYI I prefer Rangers to Celtic always have so its nothing against you personally, just dont think u are ready just yet to challenge teams like Porto