The bottom line is, If I was Bowyer, I wouldn't play him if he changed his mind now. We are in a difficult position and the players who get us out of it will be committed to the cause. It is time we just forgot about him. He had the potential to be a player that nobody forgot, but he has decided to be one we forget pretty quickly. He won't care, it is about the money for him like it is for the majority of players. It was good while it lasted, but he is history now.
Never thought I would bracket him in the Parker/Defoe/Grant camp. Thought he was a better person than that. Don't have any sympathy either with him not being able to sleep. Ah, diddums.
What makes it even galling is he refers to his knee injury that he picked up whilst playing for Monserat. A injury that meant he missed half the season & one of the reasons why we are now in the bottom 3.
Any decent person would take this into account & say......"do you know what, the club let me go & play in a meaningless fixture & paid me all through the time I couldn't give them my services. Now its time for me to repay them that & to play to the end of my contracted period"
Taylor is a good League 1 player & a half decent Championship player. But look around at the top Championship / bottom Premier League strikers and he is not in that bracket.
Regardless of the legal obligation of his contract that requires him to play, he owes Charlton for the half season he was out injured after playing for Montserrat. A country who's football is so tin-pot, the police force win the league every year (at least in the years they actually manage to run a league programme). Charlton has suffered for his selfish indulgence of no-hope international football and now when the team is in the shit, thanks in large part to his long absence when we couldn't buy a win, he's more worried about his wallet. Just another scabby selfish footballer. Throw him on the pile with the rest of them. I fuvking hate football.
Anyone that defaults to the tiresome position of people not caring or understanding their situation is doing nothing other than shifting their inability to convince others of their position on to those they can't convince.
It's a tactic that is widely used across multiple platforms, but rarely called out for its vacuousness or the inability of the claimant to convince or demonstrate that what they are saying holds as much merit as they believe it does.
If Taylor now tore his ACL whilst exercising at home, and subsequently stopped this life changing move, I dare say there wouldn't be an outpouring of grief.
Put simply Lyle, next game is Hull City away. We win, we are out of the bottom 3. But due to a logic that you might get injured, which could happen at ANY point in your life, you won't see out your contract. You have a deal already, just be honest, and you've been told not to play otherwise they won't honour it if you get injured.
Sorry, but the video doesn't change a thing, quite simply you have done the wrong thing, and i think you know it. Just accept you will always now be known in the game as a man with no honour.
Think Lyle should keep his head down now,no more interviews. The 'poor me' attitude really isnt going to change peoples minds and its all lip service anyway. Load of bollocks.
Against my better judgement I read the article, think it confirms he’s a self centred individual, who only care about one thing, his greed. However there’s a question that needs to be answered by him, that is simply why are you not fulfilling your contract?
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
See he has history , so we shouldn't be surprised , it was to our benefit last time he did it , he's clearly got no shame
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
Your kidding? - In which case we really shouldnt be surprised, I am actually surprised that Wimbledon fans have any patience for him then
I'm still firmly one of the minority that believes we have not got to the bottom of this story yet. One person who could shed light on it all is Taylor's agent. They of course operate in the shadows, but this one at least has a media profile.
So that's my day sorted, as a grumpy old pensioner with time on his hands. I shall attempt to, as they say, reach out to Mr Matthews...
Given that Taylor was always going to leave after Southall's shenanigans in January and the closure of that transfer window, the question arises as to why his agent didn't get his digit out and negotiate an earlier pre-contractual agreement - particularly given the injury in September and the extreme sensitivity to further injury that Taylor is now pleading. That would have obviated the financial risk of him being injured and out of contract, although I suspect that both he and his agent were hoping to generate some kind of bidding war come the end of the season. There's always a risk in taking a 'wait and see' approach but there's no reason whatsoever why Charlton should be obliged to negate that by the player going on strike and refusing to meet his contractual obligations up to 30 June.
There'll still be plenty of suitors, of course, but one consequence of the pandemic and the uncertainty surrounding next season is that the terms now on offer to Taylor are likely to be significantly lower than he could have secured earlier this year. Several of the clubs linked with him don't know which division they will be in next season, including Brentford, whose business model relies upon selling players for bumper fees. Given the deflationary impact of Coronavirus on transfer fees, I expect they'll now be taking a more cautious approach financially, in common with all other clubs from the Premier League down.
Taylor's Sky recording (interview is obviously a misnomer) was unimpressive and will do little to shore up his reputation in the wider game. He is also trying to suggest that he was being pressurised into signing an extension for the full nine games - i.e. that he was being presented with an 'all or nothing' scenario - which I very much doubt was the case. If I'm right on that, his comments are disingenuous and designed purely to try and circumvent the core issue, namely, that he is in flagrant breach of contract in refusing to play this month.
The potential loss of Championship status will cost the club several million pounds a season and, in theory (if not in practice) Taylor is exposing himself to a potential claim for loss of chance on the basis that, but for his breach of contract, we may have avoided relegation. Football, of course, exists in its own bubble - as to which, I'd like to hear what the PFA and their grossly overpaid Chief Executive, Gordon Taylor, have to say about this. The silence will doubtless be deafening.
He can strongly do one for that interview. 'I don't expect any sympathy' and then goes on to to outline exactly why he deserves sympathy and how difficult a decision it's been to refuse to do his job for a couple of weeks before getting millions of quid, knowing full well he could see out a couple of games with us and still get his cash. That's his choice, I get it, but don't pop up now trying to give your side of it saying you've been up to 5am worrying. Be a dick, take the commentary that goes with it and piss off. I'd actually respect him a lot more if he shrugged his shoulders and pointed at the bag of money he's getting. If his long term knee injury was so devastating as to make him concerned that one more knock could end his career, maybe it's so bad he won't pass a medical. That would be interesting.
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
Your kidding? - In which case we really shouldnt be surprised, I am actually surprised that Wimbledon fans have any patience for him then
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
He'd be a fool to sign for Galatassaray. There's a litany of players who've gone to Turkey and they've stopped wages.
On another point if a player refuses to play will the EFL allow you to sign someone else? I know we can't but in this scenario it would seem right to allow it.
Fuck him, this is what fucks me off with footballers, you cannot compare professional football to real life so the analogy about accountants and engineers being offered life changing money doesn't come into it.
I completely understand wanting to earn a living, to test yourself but coming out with bollocks about picking up and injury and not wanting to play is like a golfer refusing to play the back nine because he doesn't want to lose his balls.
Ultimately another club won't be as morally upheld to take this behaviour into account but seriously, if a club at the bottom end of the premier league were looking at him they need to bear in mind he's only going to want to play the games that are right for him, no relegation battles thanks, got my own career to think of and who I'll be playing for next season. As if this isn't a concern for every single professional footballer that has ever lived.
Same for anyone at the top end of the championship pushing for the play offs.
Well this is a lost cause lads, at best, it isn't definite we will go up, so you lads do the hard lifting and I'll sit these games out in case we don't make it and I can sign for someone else next season
Justice will be football telling him to fuck off but we all know how likely that is to happen
I think we should take legal action to reclaim his wages from the point he last played for us. First we should request the money outside of the courts and if he refuses then take the legal route.
O-Randy-Hunt said:I see people also saying if it was a normal season being played out, would he stop playing with a few games to go because he is scared to get injured and tbh yes I think he would come out with the same excuse.
Did he down tools at AFC Wimbledon before his move to Charlton or anywhere else in his career ?
Yes he did, refused to play the last three games of the season for them.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
Indeed, in his final game for them he was stretchered off in the 32nd minute and replaced by Joe Pigott!
He can strongly do one for that interview. 'I don't expect any sympathy' and then goes on to to outline exactly why he deserves sympathy and how difficult a decision it's been to refuse to do his job for a couple of weeks before getting millions of quid, knowing full well he could see out a couple of games with us and still get his cash. That's his choice, I get it, but don't pop up now trying to give your side of it saying you've been up to 5am worrying. Be a dick, take the commentary that goes with it and piss off. I'd actually respect him a lot more if he shrugged his shoulders and pointed at the bag of money he's getting. If his long term knee injury was so devastating as to make him concerned that one more knock could end his career, maybe it's so bad he won't pass a medical. That would be interesting.
Could you imagine how funny it would be if he failed his medical!
I'm still firmly one of the minority that believes we have not got to the bottom of this story yet. One person who could shed light on it all is Taylor's agent. They of course operate in the shadows, but this one at least has a media profile.
So that's my day sorted, as a grumpy old pensioner with time on his hands. I shall attempt to, as they say, reach out to Mr Matthews...
Given that Taylor was always going to leave after Southall's shenanigans in January and the closure of that transfer window, the question arises as to why his agent didn't get his digit out and negotiate an earlier pre-contractual agreement - particularly given the injury in September and the extreme sensitivity to further injury that Taylor is now pleading. That would have obviated the financial risk of him being injured and out of contract, although I suspect that both he and his agent were hoping to generate some kind of bidding war come the end of the season. There's always a risk in taking a 'wait and see' approach but there's no reason whatsoever why Charlton should be obliged to negate that by the player going on strike and refusing to meet his contractual obligations up to 30 June.
There'll still be plenty of suitors, of course, but one consequence of the pandemic and the uncertainty surrounding next season is that the terms now on offer to Taylor are likely to be significantly lower than he could have secured earlier this year. Several of the clubs linked with him don't know which division they will be in next season, including Brentford, whose business model relies upon selling players for bumper fees. Given the deflationary impact of Coronavirus on transfer fees, I expect they'll now be taking a more cautious approach financially, in common with all other clubs from the Premier League down.
Taylor's Sky recording (interview is obviously a misnomer) was unimpressive and will do little to shore up his reputation in the wider game. He is also trying to suggest that he was being pressurised into signing an extension for the full nine games - i.e. that he was being presented with an 'all or nothing' scenario - which I very much doubt was the case. If I'm right on that, his comments are disingenuous and designed purely to try and circumvent the core issue, namely, that he is in flagrant breach of contract in refusing to play this month.
The potential loss of Championship status will cost the club several million pounds a season and, in theory (if not in practice) Taylor is exposing himself to a potential claim for loss of chance on the basis that, but for his breach of contract, we may have avoided relegation. Football, of course, exists in its own bubble - as to which, I'd like to hear what the PFA and their grossly overpaid Chief Executive, Gordon Taylor, have to say about this. The silence will doubtless be deafening.
I am sure he wasn’t being pressurised into an all (I.e. all of last 9 games) or nothing. In his Sky discussion yesterday with Minto, Neville and Carragar, Bowyer said that if he just played the 3 games they would likely have scheduled between 20-30 June they were all winnable in his mind and could make the difference between survival and relegation.
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Regardless of the legal obligation of his contract that requires him to play, he owes Charlton for the half season he was out injured after playing for Montserrat. A country who's football is so tin-pot, the police force win the league every year (at least in the years they actually manage to run a league programme). Charlton has suffered for his selfish indulgence of no-hope international football and now when the team is in the shit, thanks in large part to his long absence when we couldn't buy a win, he's more worried about his wallet. Just another scabby selfish footballer. Throw him on the pile with the rest of them. I fuvking hate football.
Absolute cock. Put your head down and play until 30th June like tour contract, that you agreed too, tells you to.
when we lost Conor Gallagher, easily our best player!
It's a tactic that is widely used across multiple platforms, but rarely called out for its vacuousness or the inability of the claimant to convince or demonstrate that what they are saying holds as much merit as they believe it does.
If Taylor now tore his ACL whilst exercising at home, and subsequently stopped this life changing move, I dare say there wouldn't be an outpouring of grief.
Let's hope karma does its thing.
Sorry, but the video doesn't change a thing, quite simply you have done the wrong thing, and i think you know it. Just accept you will always now be known in the game as a man with no honour.
Completely agree.
I'm really disappointed in Lyle and he's certainly not the person I thought he was.
Let's just forget this though.
The club is much bigger and more important then any player.
If LT returns to the valley wearing something other then a Charlton shirt.
The response will probably be an outrage of booing. Fair enough.
I'd personally prefer a reaction of absolute pure silence when his name gets called out. He'd hate that. It's very unlikely though.
He's gone.
He is a slave to money...humanity is a slave to money. We can't get away from it.
Good luck Lyle Taylor. I mean it. Have a good future.
Now please, never speak of us again. Don't ever talk about us.
I really hope this thread closes soon.
We need new players!!!!!!
Lyle stayed with us.
His name gets called out on the team sheet.
The cheering would be overwhelming great.
If I was in his shoes on the recieving end of that, it would just be the greatest feeling ever.
F*ck the money.
Why not just be a club legend.
We only live once...
There'll still be plenty of suitors, of course, but one consequence of the pandemic and the uncertainty surrounding next season is that the terms now on offer to Taylor are likely to be significantly lower than he could have secured earlier this year. Several of the clubs linked with him don't know which division they will be in next season, including Brentford, whose business model relies upon selling players for bumper fees. Given the deflationary impact of Coronavirus on transfer fees, I expect they'll now be taking a more cautious approach financially, in common with all other clubs from the Premier League down.
Taylor's Sky recording (interview is obviously a misnomer) was unimpressive and will do little to shore up his reputation in the wider game. He is also trying to suggest that he was being pressurised into signing an extension for the full nine games - i.e. that he was being presented with an 'all or nothing' scenario - which I very much doubt was the case. If I'm right on that, his comments are disingenuous and designed purely to try and circumvent the core issue, namely, that he is in flagrant breach of contract in refusing to play this month.
The potential loss of Championship status will cost the club several million pounds a season and, in theory (if not in practice) Taylor is exposing himself to a potential claim for loss of chance on the basis that, but for his breach of contract, we may have avoided relegation. Football, of course, exists in its own bubble - as to which, I'd like to hear what the PFA and their grossly overpaid Chief Executive, Gordon Taylor, have to say about this. The silence will doubtless be deafening.
As far as I'm aware he played the last three games of the season at Wimbledon.
On another point if a player refuses to play will the EFL allow you to sign someone else? I know we can't but in this scenario it would seem right to allow it.
What is the point in a contract
Fuck him, this is what fucks me off with footballers, you cannot compare professional football to real life so the analogy about accountants and engineers being offered life changing money doesn't come into it.
I completely understand wanting to earn a living, to test yourself but coming out with bollocks about picking up and injury and not wanting to play is like a golfer refusing to play the back nine because he doesn't want to lose his balls.
Ultimately another club won't be as morally upheld to take this behaviour into account but seriously, if a club at the bottom end of the premier league were looking at him they need to bear in mind he's only going to want to play the games that are right for him, no relegation battles thanks, got my own career to think of and who I'll be playing for next season. As if this isn't a concern for every single professional footballer that has ever lived.
Same for anyone at the top end of the championship pushing for the play offs.
Well this is a lost cause lads, at best, it isn't definite we will go up, so you lads do the hard lifting and I'll sit these games out in case we don't make it and I can sign for someone else next season
Justice will be football telling him to fuck off but we all know how likely that is to happen
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43931518
Could you imagine how funny it would be if he failed his medical!