I don't know if someone has already mentioned it on here, but I wonder if there's been input from the team he has lined up. We're all assuming it's Brentford based on their previous interest, what if Brentford are saying 'we'll pay you £20,000 a week from 1st July, do not under any circumstances play before then.' They might not care, but it's possible that he's been given a stern warning that he's not to play if he wants the deal to go through. Still annoying, but you'd understand it better
Would you? If the case is as you lay out the Lyle is in breach of contract and Brentford are in breach of rules in place to prevent “tapping” other teams players up.
I’m not stupid, I know that players who are out of contract in the summer will be getting something lined up before the season ends - I don’t recall too many literally refusing to play for their current club whilst they are still in contract though. In fact, just looking at our current squad, quite a few are in a similar situation on the 1st of July, only two are behaving this way though.
You're right, they can start talking to other clubs from January if their contract ends in June.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Absolutely agree with you, no one here would turn down a job that would secure their financial future ,for loyalty to their current employer let alone a basket case one,
Nobody is asking him to stick with his current employer after 30 June, but until then he is under contract.
The only thing about the argument that he should play til the end of his contract in the end of June is that obviously when signed, that would apply to playing up til mid May to end the season. Its obviously a completely unprecedented situation that he would be playing in Charlton colours 3 days before his contract expires and he is a member of another team.
We have had the chance to extend his contract and pay him for ultimately what he has fully earned in his performances on the pitch, our ridiculous club couldn't have done less to do so, so its not really a surprise he is done.
I will still see Lyle and Solly as heroes for what they have given this team on the pitch in a time where under this ownership, and clown show of senior management we could have been well heading down to League 2 based on the end of Robinson's reign. You cannot blame any player for wanting to get out after the Southall debacle.
No it's definately not the same if they were to refuse to play a few games before the end of a normal season, however it is an unprecendented situation and there needs to be some thought on both sides.
Lyle refusing to play is a kick in the teeth to fans and yes while he doesn't have any loyalty to us and not that he should have, surely he must see that if he doesn't play, we are more likely to be relegated. The fact he doesn't care about that does show something about his character. if he doesn't care about the fans, what about his colleagues and friends? Life changes for relegated players and management.
Perhaps by training we have to play him, different matter if he doesn't turn up.
If he still wants to train how can that be realistic for the other players if they might go easy on him, or would they leave something on him at a tackle?
Perhaps by training we have to play him, different matter if he doesn't turn up.
I meant by training we have to PAY him.
There was a quote and link from today's Guardian that said he has not trained since last Tuesday. Perhaps he is turning up at Sparrows Lane using the facilities but not taking part in squad sessions!
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Professional football only exists because of us, the fans. Without us, the likes of Lyle Taylor, rather than turning up for a few hours a day, to run around, kicking a ball around, doing something they enjoy doing, would have to be doing the 9 - 5, like the majority of us. We stick around, only because of our need to idolise our heroes, legends, who shape the history of our club. Our heroes now are all in the past, thanks to actions like this from Taylor. I thought Covid might have brought back a sense of reality, and an appreciation by professional footballers of just how fortunate they are. Kill the admiration of the fans, the 9 year old kicking the ball around in the garden with his dad, the guy who has been going home and away for 50 odd year's, people like Seb, and you are killing the goose that layed the golden egg. What is happening to football cannot continue for much longer, people like me are not going to bother flying half the way around the world every year to support their team, when the Lyle Taylor's of this world cannot be arsed to pull on the shirt just a few more times to help us out in a crisis
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
In the real world, he has handed in his notice and will be leaving at the end of the month. That doesn’t appear to be the issue, the issue is that he is refusing to go to work during the notice period.
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
Professional football only exists because of us, the fans. Without us, the likes of Lyle Taylor, rather than turning up for a few hours a day, to run around, kicking a ball around, doing something they enjoy doing, would have to be doing the 9 - 5, like the majority of us. We stick around, only because of our need to idolise our heroes, legends, who shape the history of our club. Our heroes now are all in the past, thanks to actions like this from Taylor. I thought Covid might have brought back a sense of reality, and an appreciation by professional footballers of just how fortunate they are. Kill the admiration of the fans, the 9 year old kicking the ball around in the garden with his dad, the guy who has been going home and away for 50 odd year's, people like Seb, and you are killing the goose that layed the golden egg. What is happening to football cannot continue for much longer, people like me are not going to bother flying half the way around the world every year to support their team, when the Lyle Taylor's of this world cannot be arsed to pull on the shirt just a few more times to help us out in a crisis
If he ends up at Middlesbrough, that certainly will be life changing
It's the money not the club that will be life changing. Wouldn't make a difference to him if he gets £30k per week at Brentford or Middlesbrough than anywhere else. If we could offer the same, i am sure he would stay
I just handed my notice at work, but Ive told them Im not going to work during my notice as I dont want to get sick or injured before I start my new job.
What sort of stuff is being said on his Insta? Seen some silly posts about him leaving, which is fair enough but not really on that post. Have also seen a few academy players writing on his post saying the stuff charlton fans are saying is vile! If this is the case the fans posting these things need to stop it and see that' its affecting more than just Lyle!
I haven't read all the posts so just giving my opinion, but for me I just find it sad that he won't play on till at least the end of his contract on the 30th. If we won all 3 games that could be enough to stay up, i find it baffling to refuse to play for these 10 days. Of course he will have his new team lined up, he should be honest and say this. Let's say it is Middlesbrough etc, they should honour his agreement come what may? Paul Gascoigne went to Lazio totally crocked but they didnt refuse to pay him.
This all just leaves a very sour taste, one i've not had since the Scott Parker debacle.
if you do read any of these posts Lyle, i dont think you deserve abuse but I do think you owe respect to the fans and actually yourself too. Be professional, honour your contract and walk away with respect.
What sort of stuff is being said on his Insta? Seen some silly posts about him leaving, which is fair enough but not really on that post. Have also seen a few academy players writing on his post saying the stuff charlton fans are saying is vile! If this is the case the fans posting these things need to stop it and see that' its affecting more than just Lyle!
No need to make vile comments. Making vile and unreasonable comments makes you less likely to be taken notice of - this is very true in the case of so many issues (some current). But I think making a reasoned, albeit passionate one is quite different. I wonder what others in football think and if the same as Ally Mccoist
What sort of stuff is being said on his Insta? Seen some silly posts about him leaving, which is fair enough but not really on that post. Have also seen a few academy players writing on his post saying the stuff charlton fans are saying is vile! If this is the case the fans posting these things need to stop it and see that' its affecting more than just Lyle!
No need to make vile comments. Making vile and unreasonable comments makes you less likely to be taken notice of - this is very true in the case of so many issues (some current). But I think making a reasoned, albeit passionate one is quite different. I wonder what others in football think and if the same as Ally Mccoist
Lyle is in the wrong - I'm not really sure what else there is to say. The more players who pick and choose when to honour a contract the worse the game gets.
Football remains a team game however big the players think they are.
Could Lyle have been suspended by Southall and Nimer for basically calling them both conmen?
Nah I doubt it.
He’s at the training ground.
But the report says he hasn't been training since last Tuesday, so why would he be at the training ground.
Why are we paying for him to have covid tests, if he is at the training ground he must have had another test, why are we paying for those if he isnt playing, its a waste of money
My biggest heartbreak from this is that there's no way Naby's assist vs Forest will be voted our goal of the season now, because Taylor scored it #iwillstillvoteforit #unlesstheresabetteroneinthelast9games
Apologies if this has already been said as I'm too annoyed to read all the comments but just as well Patrick Bauer didn't decide to skip the play-offs last season, eh?
But if he hadn't have scored in the 94th minute would he just be seen as another Judas?
Yes probably.
But he did turn up, and he was professional. That’s the difference!
No, it is completely different and at the end of a normal season and not under the current crazy conditions. If he hadn't have been the goal-scoring hero then many on here would just see him as a money-grabbing foreigner not a hero.
I don't blame him! Like others have said would he have sat out April and May in a normal season. He's paiid to play football albeit up until the end of June. Should not be training with us or being paid if he aint going play
Doesnt he have the right to be training seeing we're his latest club?
Only say that because Roger Johnson was allowed to train @ Sparrows Lane before he joined Bromley when out of contract
Nope - your making a lot of assumptions about people and their ability to form an opinion - LT lives by the sword of running down his contract and should die (play) by that sword. That is the top and bottom of it.
My biggest heartbreak from this is that there's no way Naby's assist vs Forest will be voted our goal of the season now, because Taylor scored it #iwillstillvoteforit #unlesstheresabetteroneinthelast9games
Conor’s goal vs Derby was our best goal this season
I wonder how many people on here giving him abuse would stick with their current employer if they were as much of a basket case as we are and a competitor came along waving a salary four times what they were on at said basket case.
Fuck off about 'loyalty' - what's he got to be loyal about? Even if he was a Charlton fan (which he's not), why should he turn down the opportunity to get out of the shit show we are at the moment - especially in the current pandemic climate - and better his situation?
There's a lot of people who somehow think that football should be different to any other business. It. That's one of the reasons it's so fucked. It shouldn't be different to any other business.
Out in the real world, employers have no loyalty to employers any more - that disappeared in the 80s with the bowler hat, carriage clock and handshake after 40 years. Footballers might appear to have the upper hand in the employer/employee relationship, but that isn't as clear cut as it looks - they're commodities to be traded around. Yes their wages are obscene, but so are failing CEOs who fuck companies over then disappear, only to turn up somewhere else six months later after a nice paid-for holiday at the expense of the shareholders of the company they just gutted, or asset strippers who bug a company and sell off its crown jewels, strip it bare then leave it to fail after creaming the profits.
It's not football that's broken - it's society!
If he was my team mate, I’d be pleased he’d got his dream move to Brentford (😂) but I’d be pissed off he was seriously jeopardising my “staying up” bonus and condemning me to become a turdy league one player (again), I wouldn’t want him at the training ground...
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Without us, the likes of Lyle Taylor, rather than turning up for a few hours a day, to run around, kicking a ball around, doing something they enjoy doing, would have to be doing the 9 - 5, like the majority of us.
We stick around, only because of our need to idolise our heroes, legends, who shape the history of our club.
Our heroes now are all in the past, thanks to actions like this from Taylor.
I thought Covid might have brought back a sense of reality, and an appreciation by professional footballers of just how fortunate they are.
Kill the admiration of the fans, the 9 year old kicking the ball around in the garden with his dad, the guy who has been going home and away for 50 odd year's, people like Seb, and you are killing the goose that layed the golden egg.
What is happening to football cannot continue for much longer, people like me are not going to bother flying half the way around the world every year to support their team, when the Lyle Taylor's of this world cannot be arsed to pull on the shirt just a few more times to help us out in a crisis
It's the money not the club that will be life changing. Wouldn't make a difference to him if he gets £30k per week at Brentford or Middlesbrough than anywhere else. If we could offer the same, i am sure he would stay
They still need to pay me though.
This all just leaves a very sour taste, one i've not had since the Scott Parker debacle.
if you do read any of these posts Lyle, i dont think you deserve abuse but I do think you owe respect to the fans and actually yourself too. Be professional, honour your contract and walk away with respect.
imagine them trying to step in with a player’s dispute with Charlton (or any club) in the future
“fuck off, you allow your members to down tools in breach of their contract”
Football remains a team game however big the players think they are.
Why are we paying for him to have covid tests, if he is at the training ground he must have had another test, why are we paying for those if he isnt playing, its a waste of money