Just sat an interview with a bloke from a French company who expanded into the UK, Germany and Italy a couple of years back, but are concentrating their efforts in the UK.
Absolutely it’s not a police matter. I don’t care if he was rogering Teresa May over his desk. What I care about is him lying about it if he gets caught.
Meanwhile, the BBC understands a Cabinet Office report into Mr Green's conduct - which ranges wider than allegations of viewing pornography on an office computer, and covers accusations of inappropriate conduct - could land on the prime minister's desk next week.
Just sat an interview with a bloke from a French company who expanded into the UK, Germany and Italy a couple of years back, but are concentrating their efforts in the UK.
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Did you suggest SE12 was an area that presented a very good location for their UK HQ?
A failure to discipline Mr Green would signal the Prime Minister does not think using a Government computer to watch porn is a sackable offence.
Of course at this stage we don’t know if it is true. We might never know. I think what’s more concerning for Green is an accusation of inappropriate behaviour mentioned by the bbc.
Just sat an interview with a bloke from a French company who expanded into the UK, Germany and Italy a couple of years back, but are concentrating their efforts in the UK.
Well at least the greek hotels are getting free wifi from our divorce bill...
Exactly, at least if we stayed in the EU or EEA we could travel visa free to Greece to enjoy the WiFi in their hotels, I agree with you completely Chippy.
David Davis now threatening to resign over Damian Green scandal.
Considering how pivotal his role is currently, the issue of Green stepping down amidst a fairly disgusting sleaze scandal seems very trivial.
Looks very much like the flimiest pretext possible to washing his hands of this Brexit business because he realises how utterly impossible his job is and he doesn't want to forever be marked with the shitstain that is Brexit.
I have to say my sympathies are with Damian Green and Davis here. The idea that a cabinet minister should lose his job because some judgemental prissy prig of an ex police officer thought he had the right to copy and keep confidential and legal information found on a computer during an investigation is outrageous. The ex policeman who made made those copies and made them public should be prosecuted with the full force of the law.
I have some sympathy with this view but...... it’s not now only the fact that he has allegedly downloaded porn on his computer...so what. The problem now is that should it be proven that he has or at least beyond reasonable doubt, that he has then you must question the mans integrity in categorically denying it. I don’t believe you can have a Minister a proven liar.
Disagree. He is the victim here. Even if he did download the images no law was broken and it is therefore a waste of police time trying to prove he did. He has stated he did not download the legal images. No law was broken and it is not the police's job to pursue the matter just to prove he is lying. They should drop the case immediately and prosecute the only criminal in this case, the ex police officer who made the copies and made them public.
The police are not investigating Green as far as I'm aware but are looking at a complaint about the release of the information against the officer concerned. It, the disclosure he probably was looking at porn on works time using works computers, will however form part of the cabinet office enquiry looking into the other allegations against him.
Can't talk for anyone elses employer but I know for a fact I would be shown the door if I were spending hours on the office PC surfing for porn, regardless of when this was or how it came to light.
The guy's toast unless he can come up with a reasonable alternative explanation than currently trying to front it out.
In normal circumstances the Minister would have resigned regardless or the Prime Minister would have shown the courage to suspend the Minister pending investigation.
Unfortunately these are not normal circumstances. We have a Prime Minister who neither has the courage not the respect to act. She is clearly an unwell woman driven mad by the demands of the role and has lost any ability to command both her party and the nation. Hence why our closest allies now view us as a joke and her junior ministers feel free enough to arrange clandestine meetings with foreign heads of state without fear of repercussion.
Shades of pleb gate with copper Lewis humiliated a decade ago and decides to get even now. Edit - Senior officers warning Police should get involved in politics and even 'police state' quotes.
Just sat an interview with a bloke from a French company who expanded into the UK, Germany and Italy a couple of years back, but are concentrating their efforts in the UK.
#livedexperience #notanewspaperlink
So let me get this straight. You've used Freedom of Movement to relocate yourself to France, and avail yourself of their often superior State services, and now you are going to use the same Single Market rules to apply for employment with a French company? The profits from your work and the shareholders to whom you will be acccountable, will be in France?
You sir, are a Traitor. We don't need your sort in the bright new Brexit Britain anyway. We need British patriots, taking advantage of the great new trade deal with India...
Shades of pleb gate with copper Lewis humiliated a decade ago and decides to get even now. Edit - Senior officers warning Police should not get involved in politics and even 'police state' quotes.
Rees Mogg was on Marr. On the Irish border he said that a border would not be created by the UK in Ireland. So far so good. He then said if a border (presumably with some kind of checks and restrictions) is established it will be entirely down to the Republic and the EU. OK. His implication is that anything, goods and people, will be allowed by the UK to flow from the EU into the UK totally unchecked. Is he also saying there will be no Brexit in terms of taking back control of the borders? I don't think he has thought this through myself. Forgive my banality but if the UK stuck a £1000 tariff on an Audi coming in to the UK, you simply cross the Irish border with the motor car and avoid the tariff. The same goes the other way too. Anybody who gets in to the Republic can wander across the border at will. Let's imagine a refugee family who pitches up destitute in Belfast they would be the responsibility of the UK to deal with. JRM seems to be taking control of the border off the Brexit table.
Rees Mogg was on Marr. On the Irish border he said that a border would not be created by the UK in Ireland. So far so good. He then said if a border (presumably with some kind of checks and restrictions) is established it will be entirely down to the Republic and the EU. OK. His implication is that anything, goods and people, will be allowed by the UK to flow from the EU into the UK totally unchecked. Is he also saying there will be no Brexit in terms of taking back control of the borders? I don't think he has thought this through myself. Forgive my banality but if the UK stuck a £1000 tariff on an Audi coming in to the UK, you simply cross the Irish border with the motor car and avoid the tariff. The same goes the other way too. Anybody who gets in to the Republic can wander across the border at will. Let's imagine a refugee family who pitches up destitute in Belfast they would be the responsibility of the UK to deal with. JRM seems to be taking control of the border off the Brexit table.
Rees Mogg can say what he wants @seth plum but he isn't at the discussions this week. Insufficient progress on the three questions = no trade deal discussion which will send business and financial services up the wall!
And that's what makes this December and 2018 so fascinating! Most sensible observers conclude that leaving the EU but staying in the SM/CU/EEA is compliant with the referendum and simplifies the whole process. And to add controversy to that point it would appear that this is the majority view amongst N.Ireland protestants even if that means controls across the Irish Sea - certainly not the DUP position!
But May can't go down that path due to the rabid right and the need to maintain support from the DUP who refuse to accept that solution being applied to N.Ireland but not Great Britain. We will find out more next week.
The rabid right won't take May out whilst she does their bidding plus their worst fear is a Corbyn victory if there is an early election following a disorderly collapse of the government.
However the EU27 have given no ground all year and won't allow progress unless there are commitments on the Irish border which is inconsistent with the aims of the right and the DUP? The Rees Mogg line isn't new and it simply doesn't fly in Dublin or Brussels.
Reducing smuggling and maintaining standards are core to the whole EU programme and do more for consumer safety and product quality than any drivel spouted by hard Brexiteers.
In summary, something has to give. And the Brexit circus may not make it to the end of 2018. Why? How can May keep the DUP, the rabid right and the Tory remainers on board AND make progress in Brussels?
In the meantime, net immigration is reducing by 20,000 every quarter. The UK doesn't need more controls when a 15% currency devaluation and political uncertainty means that net immigration might reduce to 100,000 within a couple of years.
In a normal scenario that might lend support to maintaining the four freedoms but we live in interesting times... Perhaps Labour will move towards a permanent SM/CU solution as opposed to just the interim? Just another way to ramp up pressure and push May over the edge.
In the meantime, net immigration is reducing by 20,000 every quarter.
TBF, the latest immigration figures show a return to the 2014 levels of 100,000 EU migrants. It's a bit of a spin to say "it is reducing by 20k every quarter".
The UK doesn't need more controls when a 15% currency devaluation and political uncertainty means that net immigration might reduce to 100,000 within a couple of years.
"Might" being the key word. What if it goes back up to 300,000+ a year instead ? If we have no controls - we can never stop this figure rising. And what if there is "political uncertainty" elsewhere in the EU ? - our front door is wide open to millions.
In a normal scenario that might lend support to maintaining the four freedoms but we live in interesting times... Perhaps Labour will move towards a permanent SM/CU solution as opposed to just the interim? Just another way to ramp up pressure and push May over the edge.
Corbyn has always been anti - EU, and couldn't push a supermarket trolley over the edge, let alone a Prime Minister.
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Can't talk for anyone elses employer but I know for a fact I would be shown the door if I were spending hours on the office PC surfing for porn, regardless of when this was or how it came to light.
The guy's toast unless he can come up with a reasonable alternative explanation than currently trying to front it out.
Unfortunately these are not normal circumstances. We have a Prime Minister who neither has the courage not the respect to act. She is clearly an unwell woman driven mad by the demands of the role and has lost any ability to command both her party and the nation. Hence why our closest allies now view us as a joke and her junior ministers feel free enough to arrange clandestine meetings with foreign heads of state without fear of repercussion.
Even Major would have handled it with more muscular decisiveness.
In any event, he has to go, if only for being too thick to understand how to clean his machine of incriminating data.
Edit - Senior officers warning Police should get involved in politics and even 'police state' quotes.
You sir, are a Traitor. We don't need your sort in the bright new Brexit Britain anyway. We need British patriots, taking advantage of the great new trade deal with India...
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On the Irish border he said that a border would not be created by the UK in Ireland.
So far so good.
He then said if a border (presumably with some kind of checks and restrictions) is established it will be entirely down to the Republic and the EU.
OK. His implication is that anything, goods and people, will be allowed by the UK to flow from the EU into the UK totally unchecked.
Is he also saying there will be no Brexit in terms of taking back control of the borders?
I don't think he has thought this through myself.
Forgive my banality but if the UK stuck a £1000 tariff on an Audi coming in to the UK, you simply cross the Irish border with the motor car and avoid the tariff.
The same goes the other way too.
Anybody who gets in to the Republic can wander across the border at will. Let's imagine a refugee family who pitches up destitute in Belfast they would be the responsibility of the UK to deal with.
JRM seems to be taking control of the border off the Brexit table.
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And that's what makes this December and 2018 so fascinating! Most sensible observers conclude that leaving the EU but staying in the SM/CU/EEA is compliant with the referendum and simplifies the whole process. And to add controversy to that point it would appear that this is the majority view amongst N.Ireland protestants even if that means controls across the Irish Sea - certainly not the DUP position!
But May can't go down that path due to the rabid right and the need to maintain support from the DUP who refuse to accept that solution being applied to N.Ireland but not Great Britain. We will find out more next week.
The rabid right won't take May out whilst she does their bidding plus their worst fear is a Corbyn victory if there is an early election following a disorderly collapse of the government.
However the EU27 have given no ground all year and won't allow progress unless there are commitments on the Irish border which is inconsistent with the aims of the right and the DUP? The Rees Mogg line isn't new and it simply doesn't fly in Dublin or Brussels.
Reducing smuggling and maintaining standards are core to the whole EU programme and do more for consumer safety and product quality than any drivel spouted by hard Brexiteers.
In summary, something has to give. And the Brexit circus may not make it to the end of 2018. Why? How can May keep the DUP, the rabid right and the Tory remainers on board AND make progress in Brussels?
In the meantime, net immigration is reducing by 20,000 every quarter. The UK doesn't need more controls when a 15% currency devaluation and political uncertainty means that net immigration might reduce to 100,000 within a couple of years.
In a normal scenario that might lend support to maintaining the four freedoms but we live in interesting times... Perhaps Labour will move towards a permanent SM/CU solution as opposed to just the interim? Just another way to ramp up pressure and push May over the edge.
In the meantime, net immigration is reducing by 20,000 every quarter.
TBF, the latest immigration figures show a return to the 2014 levels of 100,000 EU migrants. It's a bit of a spin to say "it is reducing by 20k every quarter".
The UK doesn't need more controls when a 15% currency devaluation and political uncertainty means that net immigration might reduce to 100,000 within a couple of years.
"Might" being the key word.
What if it goes back up to 300,000+ a year instead ?
If we have no controls - we can never stop this figure rising.
And what if there is "political uncertainty" elsewhere in the EU ? - our front door is wide open to millions.
In a normal scenario that might lend support to maintaining the four freedoms but we live in interesting times... Perhaps Labour will move towards a permanent SM/CU solution as opposed to just the interim? Just another way to ramp up pressure and push May over the edge.
Corbyn has always been anti - EU, and couldn't push a supermarket trolley over the edge, let alone a Prime Minister.