Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Who is talking there about euratom thar is very interisting to hear what they say.
Come on all you brexiter, help your negotiators out here, suggest a workable solution.
Well sering as you broke our gentlemans agreement last week... Hint, no-one cares. Even the ref last night was for the swiss.
I may be missing something, but @seth plum, like your good self, is a citizen of the Republic of Ireland.
On the other hand, the team that was beaten last night is Northern Ireland.
The majority in Northern Ireland voted to Remain, and only the DUP and the insignificant UKIP here are for Brexit. In the absence of an Assembly, however, the popular vote here is being entirely ignored.
It is the Dublin Government and the EU that is concerned about the incompatibility of the two UK assertions regarding the border question.
The UK Government claims it wants no border changes - for which there is an easy solution, argued for by the Irish Government and EU negotiating team, but the UK Government also wants out of the Single Market and Customs Union - which rejects this solution and requires a hard border. Neither David Davis nor James Brokenshire this week, appear to have processed that what they have said that they want this week are mutually exclusive (if for no other reason than the EU is unwilling to repeat the relationship it has with the Swiss, because multiple bilateral deals are a pain).
Being from Northern Ireland, I care, but at least last night, however ineffectually, we were in the game until we were shafted - Brexit, on the other hand is the shafting to beat all shaftings....
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
But you have no problems broadcasting on here everyday that you are a stupid ignorant Brexit twat!
Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Who is talking there about euratom thar is very interisting to hear what they say.
I cant remember names, way above my pay grade, (all PhDs I am sure :-)) but iPlayer will have details.
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
But you have no problems broadcasting on here everyday that you are a stupid ignorant Brexit twat!
Lovely... What was that you said about abusing others a while ago. You really are a prize guy.
Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Who is talking there about euratom thar is very interisting to hear what they say.
I cant remember names, way above my pay grade, (all PhDs I am sure :-)) but iPlayer will have details.
Thanks i know how to find it and know all about it. Just you used the word terrifying. Team fear at its best as usual.
I am away at the moment (not in EU !) so access to the web is patchy, hence replies are slow.
@Cordoban Addick I don't believe that the current pressure on class sizes/availability of school places is down to underfunding and not the increase in U.K. population.
@randy andy When the Sun cried "stop Brexit" last week it was touted on here as a credible source. It either IS or it ISN'T.
@Leuth Don't give up on the debate. It's the only way we are going to go forward - Brexit or no Brexit.
@ShootersHillGuru Yes I agree that UK needs immigration to fill the skills gaps. I am all in favour of this. I had NHS specialist care recently and the doctors concerned were from India and ROI. Great stuff.
As for infrastructure, we do a census every 10 years to give some indication of the service needs in the future - how can this be valid with an unspecified number of arrivals free to come at any time ?
I was not aware that existing UK legislation could inhibit the free movement of EU citizens to the UK and I am interested to know more.
@Valiantphil an honest post from you but I didn't mention school places as I know next to nothing about it, my bit was homelessness where I know quite a lot.
IMO the Sun (and Mail & Express) are never creditable sources but I think somebody was saying that they are masters at hedging their bets and if they are now writing anti Brexit stories they must be seeing the potential damage. I would only look/click at any of those three papers if a reliable source on here said that they had breaking news on our takeover (and then I would hold my nose).
Schools have a number of issues only one (and probably a limited amount of schools in certain areas) is due to immigration.
My wife’s class (29 kids) now has 6 children who speak either very little or no English at all. They can’t afford to employ extra staff who speak Russian and Polish although they have took on a Polish Teaching Assistant trainee.
School budgets are very tight, but there’s also a lot of wastage.
Class or school sizes in certain areas have increased dramatically, over the past 10+ years almost every primary school in Lewisham has grown by an extra class (now across every year group), although only about 20% of that is due to immigration.
I am away at the moment (not in EU !) so access to the web is patchy, hence replies are slow.
@Cordoban Addick I don't believe that the current pressure on class sizes/availability of school places is down to underfunding and not the increase in U.K. population.
@randy andy When the Sun cried "stop Brexit" last week it was touted on here as a credible source. It either IS or it ISN'T.
@Leuth Don't give up on the debate. It's the only way we are going to go forward - Brexit or no Brexit.
@ShootersHillGuru Yes I agree that UK needs immigration to fill the skills gaps. I am all in favour of this. I had NHS specialist care recently and the doctors concerned were from India and ROI. Great stuff.
As for infrastructure, we do a census every 10 years to give some indication of the service needs in the future - how can this be valid with an unspecified number of arrivals free to come at any time ?
I was not aware that existing UK legislation could inhibit the free movement of EU citizens to the UK and I am interested to know more.
I'd never claim any red top, not many of the non-resident tops as a credible source. Every newspaper in this country has its own political agenda and I have a deep distrust of them all.
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
I don’t get it.
You are obviously not a stupid man. You are entitled to call yourself doctor. That takes intelligence.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t seem to understand that your overtly and blatant anti Irish posts are insulting to quite a few posters on this forum. You could make an argument in saying your posts are bordering on racism. You don’t have to be talking about people with brown faces for a comment to be racist.
Why would someone go out of their way to insult fellow lifers based on their ethnicity ?
You are obviously totally oblivious to the fact that it’s insulting or you want to insult people.
New Statesman - a government of such low repute would be alarming at any time. But Brexit, the greatest challenge any administration has faced since 1945, makes it all the more damaging
The Spectator - there is no point in Britain leaving the EU unless it is done boldly. At present, it looks as if it is being enacted in the spirit of a damage-limitation exercise where we pay large sums in order to retain some of the privileges we had before.
Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Who is talking there about euratom thar is very interisting to hear what they say.
I cant remember names, way above my pay grade, (all PhDs I am sure :-)) but iPlayer will have details.
Thanks i know how to find it and know all about it. Just you used the word terrifying. Team fear at its best as usual.
Just looking to be helpful to my new best friend :-)))
It certainly terrified me, because it was new info for me, whereas the previous 2 episodes was about stuff I had more or less - grimly - taken on board. But so long as you can walk down Floyd Road singing " I got my country back" I will try to live with it all. Anything for your happiness, Chippy mate.
New Statesman - a government of such low repute would be alarming at any time. But Brexit, the greatest challenge any administration has faced since 1945, makes it all the more damaging
The Spectator - there is no point in Britain leaving the EU unless it is done boldly. At present, it looks as if it is being enacted in the spirit of a damage-limitation exercise where we pay large sums in order to retain some of the privileges we had before.
Brexit will damage the U.K. economy. A damage limitation exercise seems eminently sensible.
I’m just glad the rabid Brexit rag The Spectator have even hinted at it.
I am away at the moment (not in EU !) so access to the web is patchy, hence replies are slow.
@Cordoban Addick I don't believe that the current pressure on class sizes/availability of school places is down to underfunding and not the increase in U.K. population.
@randy andy When the Sun cried "stop Brexit" last week it was touted on here as a credible source. It either IS or it ISN'T.
@Leuth Don't give up on the debate. It's the only way we are going to go forward - Brexit or no Brexit.
@ShootersHillGuru Yes I agree that UK needs immigration to fill the skills gaps. I am all in favour of this. I had NHS specialist care recently and the doctors concerned were from India and ROI. Great stuff.
As for infrastructure, we do a census every 10 years to give some indication of the service needs in the future - how can this be valid with an unspecified number of arrivals free to come at any time ?
I was not aware that existing UK legislation could inhibit the free movement of EU citizens to the UK and I am interested to know more.
Well I have posted the video so many times, but maybe instead the complete transcript will help you better, of a politician explaining it on the Marr Show, way back in 2014. A foreign politician. The then Foreign Minister of Poland speaking the Queen's English and in the clearest possible terms .
Read it and weep at the foolishness of the entire Brexit exercise.
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
I don’t get it.
You are obviously not a stupid man. You are entitled to call yourself doctor. That takes intelligence.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t seem to understand that your overtly and blatant anti Irish posts are insulting to quite a few posters on this forum. You could make an argument in saying your posts are bordering on racism. You don’t have to be talking about people with brown faces for a comment to be racist.
Why would someone go out of their way to insult fellow lifers based on their ethnicity ?
You are obviously totally oblivious to the fact that it’s insulting or you want to insult people.
In the last week i have been called a little englander rascist and now an ignorant brexit twat. Look back over the last few pages and quote me where i have done simular.
Why do people ask me about the border when i hate my irish ancestry. As i said last week, if you don't like the answer, don't ask me the question.
What amazes me is that the remainers here call brexiters disgusting things, yet when a comment is made back, the rat pack don't like it.
Why arnt you asking those on your side why they are doing it. Bit two faced isn't it.
You started it last week by asking a ludicrous question about the irish border to my joke response about being on page 2. You may love love the irish.... I have their blood in me and apart from these pages never tell anyone.
I don’t get it.
You are obviously not a stupid man. You are entitled to call yourself doctor. That takes intelligence.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t seem to understand that your overtly and blatant anti Irish posts are insulting to quite a few posters on this forum. You could make an argument in saying your posts are bordering on racism. You don’t have to be talking about people with brown faces for a comment to be racist.
Why would someone go out of their way to insult fellow lifers based on their ethnicity ?
You are obviously totally oblivious to the fact that it’s insulting or you want to insult people.
In the last week i have been called a little englander rascist and now an ignorant brexit twat. Look back over the last few pages and quote me where i have done simular.
Why do people ask me about the border when i hate my irish ancestry. As i said last week, if you don't like the answer, don't ask me the question.
What amazes me is that the remainers here call brexiters disgusting things, yet when a comment is made back, the rat pack don't like it.
Why arnt you asking those on your side why they are doing it. Bit two faced isn't it.
Meanwhile for the adults in the room (@Dippenhall, I am just about to start on the book) the short (15 minute) BBC radio progs, Brexit - A guide for the Perplexed, Series 2 are very accessible, and worth a listen. Episode 3, about Euratom, is frankly terrifying.
Who is talking there about euratom thar is very interisting to hear what they say.
I cant remember names, way above my pay grade, (all PhDs I am sure :-)) but iPlayer will have details.
Thanks i know how to find it and know all about it. Just you used the word terrifying. Team fear at its best as usual.
Just looking to be helpful to my new best friend :-)))
It certainly terrified me, because it was new info for me, whereas the previous 2 episodes was about stuff I had more or less - grimly - taken on board. But so long as you can walk down Floyd Road singing " I got my country back" I will try to live with it all. Anything for your happiness, Chippy mate.
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On the other hand, the team that was beaten last night is Northern Ireland.
The majority in Northern Ireland voted to Remain, and only the DUP and the insignificant UKIP here are for Brexit. In the absence of an Assembly, however, the popular vote here is being entirely ignored.
It is the Dublin Government and the EU that is concerned about the incompatibility of the two UK assertions regarding the border question.
The UK Government claims it wants no border changes - for which there is an easy solution, argued for by the Irish Government and EU negotiating team, but the UK Government also wants out of the Single Market and Customs Union - which rejects this solution and requires a hard border. Neither David Davis nor James Brokenshire this week, appear to have processed that what they have said that they want this week are mutually exclusive (if for no other reason than the EU is unwilling to repeat the relationship it has with the Swiss, because multiple bilateral deals are a pain).
Being from Northern Ireland, I care, but at least last night, however ineffectually, we were in the game until we were shafted - Brexit, on the other hand is the shafting to beat all shaftings....
@Cordoban Addick
I don't believe that the current pressure on class sizes/availability of school places is down to underfunding and not the increase in U.K. population.
@randy andy
When the Sun cried "stop Brexit" last week it was touted on here as a credible source. It either IS or it ISN'T.
@Leuth
Don't give up on the debate. It's the only way we are going to go forward - Brexit or no Brexit.
@ShootersHillGuru
Yes I agree that UK needs immigration to fill the skills gaps. I am all in favour of this. I had NHS specialist care recently and the doctors concerned were from India and ROI. Great stuff.
As for infrastructure, we do a census every 10 years to give some indication of the service needs in the future - how can this be valid with an unspecified number of arrivals free to come at any time ?
I was not aware that existing UK legislation could inhibit the free movement of EU citizens to the UK and I am interested to know more.
IMO the Sun (and Mail & Express) are never creditable sources but I think somebody was saying that they are masters at hedging their bets and if they are now writing anti Brexit stories they must be seeing the potential damage. I would only look/click at any of those three papers if a reliable source on here said that they had breaking news on our takeover (and then I would hold my nose).
My wife’s class (29 kids) now has 6 children who speak either very little or no English at all. They can’t afford to employ extra staff who speak Russian and Polish although they have took on a Polish Teaching Assistant trainee.
School budgets are very tight, but there’s also a lot of wastage.
Class or school sizes in certain areas have increased dramatically, over the past 10+ years almost every primary school in Lewisham has grown by an extra class (now across every year group), although only about 20% of that is due to immigration.
You are obviously not a stupid man. You are entitled to call yourself doctor. That takes intelligence.
What I don’t understand is why you don’t seem to understand that your overtly and blatant anti Irish posts are insulting to quite a few posters on this forum. You could make an argument in saying your posts are bordering on racism. You don’t have to be talking about people with brown faces for a comment to be racist.
Why would someone go out of their way to insult fellow lifers based on their ethnicity ?
You are obviously totally oblivious to the fact that it’s insulting or you want to insult people.
New Statesman - a government of such low repute would be alarming at any time. But Brexit, the greatest challenge any administration has faced since 1945, makes it all the more damaging
The Spectator - there is no point in Britain leaving the EU unless it is done boldly. At present, it looks as if it is being enacted in the spirit of a damage-limitation exercise where we pay large sums in order to retain some of the privileges we had before.
It certainly terrified me, because it was new info for me, whereas the previous 2 episodes was about stuff I had more or less - grimly - taken on board. But so long as you can walk down Floyd Road singing " I got my country back" I will try to live with it all. Anything for your happiness, Chippy mate.
I’m just glad the rabid Brexit rag The Spectator have even hinted at it.
Read it and weep at the foolishness of the entire Brexit exercise.
Why do people ask me about the border when i hate my irish ancestry. As i said last week, if you don't like the answer, don't ask me the question.
What amazes me is that the remainers here call brexiters disgusting things, yet when a comment is made back, the rat pack don't like it.
Why arnt you asking those on your side why they are doing it. Bit two faced isn't it.