That is a somewhat encouraging thought, @Chizz, and I suppose someone will offer these up as precedents. However a guy on Twitter has nailed the issue far better than I could hope to do...
But Prague says there are no elites and even if there were they do not support Remain. Now I am really confused.
If by "elites" we mean people with demonstrable expertise in their chosen field, brought about by many years of high-level experience, then Prague would be daft to suggest there aren't any. Because we will be able to read about fifty of them in tomorrow's Sunday Times.
But, in any case, maybe we can sweep aside the comments because they are self-selecting members of the tiny 31% ("only") for whom Brexit is a demonstrable, predictable and avoidable disaster.
Who knows? In the current world, I am sure there are many people who genuinely believe that proponents of Brexit, like Jacob Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson and David Davies know much, much more about running, say, BT Group and J Sainsbury than the people who, for several years, have run BT Group and J Sainsbury.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
These are criminal offences that Banks is being investigated for. Can anyone think of a time when someone under investigation (guilty or innocent) has been given a such public platform to justify themselves? I can't.
There are several incidents of individuals suspected of crime and under investigation being interviewed on television. Not, perhaps, in the same circumstances as Banks, ie someone named and under investigation of serious crime, booked for a set-piece interview. But it's interesting to see how well it ended up for each of them.
Ian Huntley was interviewed a number of times on tv after he had been identified as a suspect. Jimmy Savile was interviewed about specific rumours that were in the public domain by both Andrew Neill and Louis Theroux (and others). Stuart Hall was quizzed on BBC Radio. Jonathan Aitkin was allowed free reign to announce his fight, using "the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of traditional British fair play". Harold Shipman was interviewed on tv prior to his arrest, but a long time after he has been named as a suspect. Conrad Black was no stranger to tv studios while fighting and appealing charges.
There are a wide variety of accusations around funding secured to subvert democracy arriving from foreign powers via third parties. Whether this mean that some rooms should be prepared in the Tower is a separate question and one that some might consider anti-democratic. Is subverting democracy tantamount to treason? Irrespective of the outcome, the timing is certainly convenient for those charged with steering the Brexit deal process thorugh this next stage.
As for an actual deal, leaks and memos talking of a deal which are then rescinded is par for the course. How the requirement for an invisible border which implies that N.Ireland is in the Customs Union in perpetuity is to be reconciled with some demands to make the backstop time limited is interesting. Time will tell what language emerges but it certainly looks like there will be a deal. Golfie is well within his rights to state what he thinks Brexit means but we should be aware that the GFA is an international treaty which recognises both traditions in the North.
Contrary to some views, the value of sterling is everything in this timeline and discussion. Just as the Italian bond rate determines how far the populist coalition might push their budget deficit. For those following that particular piece of theatre, their case has just been holed beneath the waterline without the EU firing a single shot! For the Italy Q3 growth numbers have been released at precisely 0%. This means that the 1.5% suggested for 2019 is now blown out of the water. The UK chancellor is working the same gambit the opposite way since the latest budget is apparently dependent upon a smooth Brexit. So "don't mess with the business environment and we will spend some serious cash"
Sterling rates will be determined by both Brexit prospects and the ability of the City to continue as normal. The irony of course is that those libertarian capitalists demanding that we "take back control" on behalf of the people appear to be thwarted by the capital markets which mark down the more nuttier proposals. Funny how the Alt-right (and the populist left) are united in wishing to disrupt and reorganise markets... and act all surprised when the markets kick back! With Italy they will need to adjust their expenditure plans or see the cost of new debt go through the roof... and more importantly if the value of old debt falls as rates rise then the Italian banking system will take a good kicking.
For those who decry the individuals involved and/or a loss of faith in democracy itself let us look at two basic truths which have become apparent of late: As long as the UK seals a deal the "cliff edge" is deferred in March for at least two years and a transition allows the debate about the CU and the SM (complex) to continue. Leaving the EU is not the actual problem and those who wish to make the case for leaving the CU will have time to make that case - even if many believe it to be both fatuous and unrealistic. Secondly, the latest budget has shown that politicians are actually listening! Austerity in 2010 was one thing when negotiating down a deficit of 10% which was clearly not sustainable. Just as the Eurozone and EU28 have now reduced their collective deficit to zero with the biggest improvements coming within the first three years of the crisis.
But Austerity became a religion and aiming for deficits <1% or even a surplus is a ludicrous objective when national economies are crying out for stimulous and increased demand. And where the poorest in society are asked to bear a disproportionate share of the cuts. This is where many believe the rise of the alt-right originated coupled with real and imagined imigration plus a massive increase in inequality.
The Leave vote was won in part because of the fictional commitment to the NHS - earlier this week, the NHS received a 3.5% raise. Other policies nicked from the Labour 2017 manifesto are also being rolled out with Hammond going for the biggest fiscal loosening since 2010. A massive lift for the NHS, cancelling the final cuts in benefits and improving the available funding mechanisms for council house building were all Labour policies in 2017. Add to that a tax on tech firms, ending PFI and increasing spending and we can see why McDonnell supported the budget!
Labour lite(!) but still a step in the right direction.
Juxtapose these two points about the budget and the Brexit deal, and the message to the ERG is clear: do not disturb the discussions and the passage of the relevant bill. As for the DUP? That might depend upon the precise wording but their choice has always been to jump ship when the crunch moment came. However, somebody might be about to call their bluff for the budget is passed and the Tories lead in the polls - so are the DUP going to risk either Corbyn or a Tory party which doesn't need them?
And that is political calculation and representative democracy in action since May and Hammond have leveraged the tension of the situation to roll out a progressive budget. Whether we come through this episode unscathed is another matter.
And for those decrying Corbyn, Momentum and Unite why not stop and think for a minute that Corbyn (and McDonnell) are simply passing through?! They have radicalised their party and nigh on trebled the membership. As above, their manifesto from just over a year ago has been canibalised by the Chancellor. Corbyn will go when he fails - either fails to secure a win at the next election or fails to deliver a coherent government. But some would argue that the transition he has overseen in three short years has taken Labour back to where it should have been all along - and not a neoliberal organisation preaching austerity lite.
So on the back of admitting you know nothing about the Irish question you have formulated you view of what has happened and what’s likely to happen going forward.
By the way the Good Friday Agreement “fudge” has kept the peace ever since it was signed.
Yes, by bowing down to the terrorists, letting murderers on life sentances out scot free & letting the paramilitaries "dispose" of their weapons. If it all starts up again they wont be needing to get their arms from sympathetic Americans, all they need to do is dig up Farmer Paddy's field & find their stash of weapons again.
Oh my giddy aunt.
I really do hope you were just back from the pub when you wrote this.
Yes, terrorists/murderers were released, provided that they had signed up to the agreement, those objecting weren't (this is, dare I say it, not exactly unique in conflict resolutions around the World, other examples, notably South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, have gone further down the same road).
It's not something that any reasonable person considers to be anything other than a necessary evil (and, as I have suggested before, it is better to release people who have been convicted and jailed for an offence than to decide that a certain group, as is often raised at PMQs, should be given an amnesty from any prosecution, purely because of the organisations to which they belonged).
The PSNI have not stopped investigating outstanding cases and, in the context of the GFA, they should not do so, even if that includes uncovering collusion and murder on the part of the security services.
And, in passing, the destruction of the Provisional IRA's capacity to use the weapons it had stockpiled, by having them being verifiably put beyond use (believed to have involved things like, in the presence of members of the de Chastelain Commission, pouring concrete into bunkers that they had inspected).
So, it might be a bit difficult for them to access weapons stashed in Farmer Paddy's field.
Farmer Paddy, oh how I laughed at the stereotypical description.....
Mind you, as your arguments about Northern Ireland and Brexit seem to be driving towards returning us all to the 1970s, I've no doubt more comedy gold awaits.
That is the first time that I've ever seen Nornish respond with anything but facts and logic, and I really can't say I blame him on the back of that post. Quite incredible stuff from Golfie.
With the exception of Stonemuse who struggles on stoically against a total wave of argument and does his best to present a fact based case for Brexit, the paucity of thought from the Brexiteers is astounding. It's feels like the logical argument has been won over a hundred times and yet those that want to leave are still unshakeable in their belief that it's still the right thing to do. I am as amazed as I am saddened by this. What a mess Cameron has created.
I've never said that it is still the right thing to do......just that it is/was what I want to do. I do not WANT to be part of the EU.....whether it is the right or best thing to do is a different matter entirely.
Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.
So on the back of admitting you know nothing about the Irish question you have formulated you view of what has happened and what’s likely to happen going forward.
By the way the Good Friday Agreement “fudge” has kept the peace ever since it was signed.
Yes, by bowing down to the terrorists, letting murderers on life sentances out scot free & letting the paramilitaries "dispose" of their weapons. If it all starts up again they wont be needing to get their arms from sympathetic Americans, all they need to do is dig up Farmer Paddy's field & find their stash of weapons again.
Oh my giddy aunt.
I really do hope you were just back from the pub when you wrote this.
Yes, terrorists/murderers were released, provided that they had signed up to the agreement, those objecting weren't (this is, dare I say it, not exactly unique in conflict resolutions around the World, other examples, notably South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, have gone further down the same road).
It's not something that any reasonable person considers to be anything other than a necessary evil (and, as I have suggested before, it is better to release people who have been convicted and jailed for an offence than to decide that a certain group, as is often raised at PMQs, should be given an amnesty from any prosecution, purely because of the organisations to which they belonged).
The PSNI have not stopped investigating outstanding cases and, in the context of the GFA, they should not do so, even if that includes uncovering collusion and murder on the part of the security services.
And, in passing, the destruction of the Provisional IRA's capacity to use the weapons it had stockpiled, by having them being verifiably put beyond use (believed to have involved things like, in the presence of members of the de Chastelain Commission, pouring concrete into bunkers that they had inspected).
So, it might be a bit difficult for them to access weapons stashed in Farmer Paddy's field.
Farmer Paddy, oh how I laughed at the stereotypical description.....
Mind you, as your arguments about Northern Ireland and Brexit seem to be driving towards returning us all to the 1970s, I've no doubt more comedy gold awaits.
That is the first time that I've ever seen Nornish respond with anything but facts and logic, and I really can't say I blame him on the back of that post. Quite incredible stuff from Golfie.
With the exception of Stonemuse who struggles on stoically against a total wave of argument and does his best to present a fact based case for Brexit, the paucity of thought from the Brexiteers is astounding. It's feels like the logical argument has been won over a hundred times and yet those that want to leave are still unshakeable in their belief that it's still the right thing to do. I am as amazed as I am saddened by this. What a mess Cameron has created.
I've never said that it is still the right thing to do......just that it is/was what I want to do. I do not WANT to be part of the EU.....whether it is the right or best thing to do is a different matter entirely.
Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.
That backs up exactly what I was saying: you still want it despite not being able to state that it's the right thing to do.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
So on the back of admitting you know nothing about the Irish question you have formulated you view of what has happened and what’s likely to happen going forward.
By the way the Good Friday Agreement “fudge” has kept the peace ever since it was signed.
Yes, by bowing down to the terrorists, letting murderers on life sentances out scot free & letting the paramilitaries "dispose" of their weapons. If it all starts up again they wont be needing to get their arms from sympathetic Americans, all they need to do is dig up Farmer Paddy's field & find their stash of weapons again.
Oh my giddy aunt.
I really do hope you were just back from the pub when you wrote this.
Yes, terrorists/murderers were released, provided that they had signed up to the agreement, those objecting weren't (this is, dare I say it, not exactly unique in conflict resolutions around the World, other examples, notably South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, have gone further down the same road).
It's not something that any reasonable person considers to be anything other than a necessary evil (and, as I have suggested before, it is better to release people who have been convicted and jailed for an offence than to decide that a certain group, as is often raised at PMQs, should be given an amnesty from any prosecution, purely because of the organisations to which they belonged).
The PSNI have not stopped investigating outstanding cases and, in the context of the GFA, they should not do so, even if that includes uncovering collusion and murder on the part of the security services.
And, in passing, the destruction of the Provisional IRA's capacity to use the weapons it had stockpiled, by having them being verifiably put beyond use (believed to have involved things like, in the presence of members of the de Chastelain Commission, pouring concrete into bunkers that they had inspected).
So, it might be a bit difficult for them to access weapons stashed in Farmer Paddy's field.
Farmer Paddy, oh how I laughed at the stereotypical description.....
Mind you, as your arguments about Northern Ireland and Brexit seem to be driving towards returning us all to the 1970s, I've no doubt more comedy gold awaits.
That is the first time that I've ever seen Nornish respond with anything but facts and logic, and I really can't say I blame him on the back of that post. Quite incredible stuff from Golfie.
With the exception of Stonemuse who struggles on stoically against a total wave of argument and does his best to present a fact based case for Brexit, the paucity of thought from the Brexiteers is astounding. It's feels like the logical argument has been won over a hundred times and yet those that want to leave are still unshakeable in their belief that it's still the right thing to do. I am as amazed as I am saddened by this. What a mess Cameron has created.
I've never said that it is still the right thing to do......just that it is/was what I want to do. I do not WANT to be part of the EU.....whether it is the right or best thing to do is a different matter entirely.
Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.
You are wrong when you say Vradkar has undermined the Mansion House vision. Firstly because I watched the whole speech live and it did not contain any vision expressed in practical terms. Not did her other speeches, indeed on Ireland she merely expressed her frequently repeated mantra about 'frictionless as possible'. Secondly because Vradkar is simply expressing Irish concerns about the usual British duplicity and how such a bad faith approach is straining Anglo-Irish relations.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
You are aware are you that what the Met Police say they're investigating is evidence of possible anti-semitism contained in a document compiled by the Labour Party?:
Any investigation into anti semitism in the Labour party (or racism in general, in any party) is very important, but isn't relevant to the subject of Brexit.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
You are aware are you that what the Met Police say they're investigating is evidence of possible anti-semitism contained in a document compiled by the Labour Party?:
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
Reading that Banks has clearly lied to the parliamentary committee as well as uttterly disrespecting it. My constitutional law studies were decades ago but I do remember that parliament has the power to hold Banks in "contempt" and fine or even jail him in that event.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I would imagine that Damian Collins is readying to do exactly that, but how many other MPs have shown his courage and integrity on this matter? Have we heard from the front bench of HM Opposition on this matter? Have we ****!
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Let me ask you this Prague, if Corbyn was on Marr today, would you be having the same moral debate with yourself in view of the police investigation into anti semitism in his party?
It's completely different because Corbyn isn't being investigated and nor is the Labour Party. It is individuals within the party that are being investigated.
Rubbish. Corbyn is the boss and clearly turns a blind eye to this hate crime within his party.
Sorry fella but what point are you trying to make?
Your original question comparing Corbyn to Banks doesn't stand up because Corbyn isn't under investigation. Cressida Dick has herself confirmed that neither Corbyn nor the Labour Party are under investigation, therefore my response to you is not 'rubbish' as you so thoughtfully put it.
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that Tory Stooge Al Murray!
But, in any case, maybe we can sweep aside the comments because they are self-selecting members of the tiny 31% ("only") for whom Brexit is a demonstrable, predictable and avoidable disaster.
Who knows? In the current world, I am sure there are many people who genuinely believe that proponents of Brexit, like Jacob Rees Mogg, Boris Johnson and David Davies know much, much more about running, say, BT Group and J Sainsbury than the people who, for several years, have run BT Group and J Sainsbury.
The quisling cowards on BBC's Marr Show have been scooped by Open Democracy. And I am honoured to say that I know one of the two journalists who have produced this. I hosted Jenna when she came to Prague to talk to journalists and students about the global FOI website movement.
As for an actual deal, leaks and memos talking of a deal which are then rescinded is par for the course. How the requirement for an invisible border which implies that N.Ireland is in the Customs Union in perpetuity is to be reconciled with some demands to make the backstop time limited is interesting. Time will tell what language emerges but it certainly looks like there will be a deal. Golfie is well within his rights to state what he thinks Brexit means but we should be aware that the GFA is an international treaty which recognises both traditions in the North.
Contrary to some views, the value of sterling is everything in this timeline and discussion. Just as the Italian bond rate determines how far the populist coalition might push their budget deficit. For those following that particular piece of theatre, their case has just been holed beneath the waterline without the EU firing a single shot! For the Italy Q3 growth numbers have been released at precisely 0%. This means that the 1.5% suggested for 2019 is now blown out of the water. The UK chancellor is working the same gambit the opposite way since the latest budget is apparently dependent upon a smooth Brexit. So "don't mess with the business environment and we will spend some serious cash"
Sterling rates will be determined by both Brexit prospects and the ability of the City to continue as normal. The irony of course is that those libertarian capitalists demanding that we "take back control" on behalf of the people appear to be thwarted by the capital markets which mark down the more nuttier proposals. Funny how the Alt-right (and the populist left) are united in wishing to disrupt and reorganise markets... and act all surprised when the markets kick back! With Italy they will need to adjust their expenditure plans or see the cost of new debt go through the roof... and more importantly if the value of old debt falls as rates rise then the Italian banking system will take a good kicking.
For those who decry the individuals involved and/or a loss of faith in democracy itself let us look at two basic truths which have become apparent of late:
But Austerity became a religion and aiming for deficits <1% or even a surplus is a ludicrous objective when national economies are crying out for stimulous and increased demand. And where the poorest in society are asked to bear a disproportionate share of the cuts. This is where many believe the rise of the alt-right originated coupled with real and imagined imigration plus a massive increase in inequality.
The Leave vote was won in part because of the fictional commitment to the NHS - earlier this week, the NHS received a 3.5% raise. Other policies nicked from the Labour 2017 manifesto are also being rolled out with Hammond going for the biggest fiscal loosening since 2010. A massive lift for the NHS, cancelling the final cuts in benefits and improving the available funding mechanisms for council house building were all Labour policies in 2017. Add to that a tax on tech firms, ending PFI and increasing spending and we can see why McDonnell supported the budget!
Labour lite(!) but still a step in the right direction.
Juxtapose these two points about the budget and the Brexit deal, and the message to the ERG is clear: do not disturb the discussions and the passage of the relevant bill. As for the DUP? That might depend upon the precise wording but their choice has always been to jump ship when the crunch moment came. However, somebody might be about to call their bluff for the budget is passed and the Tories lead in the polls - so are the DUP going to risk either Corbyn or a Tory party which doesn't need them?
And that is political calculation and representative democracy in action since May and Hammond have leveraged the tension of the situation to roll out a progressive budget. Whether we come through this episode unscathed is another matter.
And for those decrying Corbyn, Momentum and Unite why not stop and think for a minute that Corbyn (and McDonnell) are simply passing through?! They have radicalised their party and nigh on trebled the membership. As above, their manifesto from just over a year ago has been canibalised by the Chancellor. Corbyn will go when he fails - either fails to secure a win at the next election or fails to deliver a coherent government. But some would argue that the transition he has overseen in three short years has taken Labour back to where it should have been all along - and not a neoliberal organisation preaching austerity lite.
Its all rather academic now anyway, seeing as any deal struck will not see us fulfil Brexit as described by TM in her Mansion House speech. Leo Vradkar has seen to that, as he stated earlier today.
No idea when this last happened, but with the performance of high profile witnesses like Green, Banks and his lap dog Wigmore maybe parliament should start holding these people to account?
I'm sitting here, a BBC supporter, debating whether to boycott Marr on the basis that watching it implies complicity. A sad day to even have that debate with myself. In the end since I'm an Illicit viewer anyway,who watches via a satellite dish that cannot add to ratings, I guess I will watch, in the name of being informed about that on which I pontificate...
Secondly because Vradkar is simply expressing Irish concerns about the usual British duplicity and how such a bad faith approach is straining Anglo-Irish relations.
Wtf!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/02/met-police-opens-criminal-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism-claims