Ok then. My sister is a classic, moderate, non uni , modest means, centrist floating voter, who voted Remain. Please summarise succinctly why, if she thinks Brexit is the big issue in the GE that Labour now crave, she should entrust them with her vote. Succinct may mean, if not short enough to get on a bus side, then max one compelling sentence, or three five word bullet points.
If you cannot manage to do that after today's announcement from the comrades, that rather suggests the poll bounce isnt going to happen, no?
Thanks for the tag and the invite to meet your sister... I take it she represents your ordinary voter in the street? My opening gambit would be to state that the actual debate is tomorrow. So best refer her to this latest story where Keir Starmer states: “The meeting last night was very clear that the question of a public vote should be open. We weren’t ruling out options and nobody was ruling out Remain. There were 300 people in the room and that was absolutely clear.”
Clearly your sister might want simplicity but this is a work in progress so she and you will simply have to watch the debate tomorrow and/or perhaps consume some of the coverage afterwards. As before, we can either walk away, or perhaps we can make a great leap of faith and expect others to solve matters - magical thinking always helps! And there is always a third option which is to embrace the chaos and absurd - and then we embark on a journey making our own discoveries and conclusions.
When the election arrives, Labour will be ready with their MkII version of the 2017 manifesto. Some time between now and then, voters such as your sister will see the case for a Labour government presented. Today we are seeing the democratic process of policy evolution. There will be arguments, compromises and mistakes made during that process but I'm not entirely sure why you are asking me to explain a Labour manifesto when the policy framework has not yet been finalised. Bullet points will simply have to wait
What we can say to your sister is that the motion will inevitably be passed tomorrow. How it is interpreted, and how the Tory conference goes re. Brexit will impact the polls once both are digested. And that will put us in a different place from today. If she is that interested then the internet or newsnight might assist with an understanding of where we are going.
And again we are adults so we have the ability to choose our response to this chaos. My own choice has been somewhat obscure/different but that's for another time.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the ECONOMIC logic.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the logic.
The issue is that many parts are sourced from the rest of the EU on a just in time basis. This relies on smooth operation of our borders, the fear is that with no deal, the borders that currently have unfettered travel will become clogged and the parts will become held up with no idea when they will pass through.
BMW shut their plant annually anyway for maintenance, it makes sense for them to change the date to coincide with potential chaos at the border until problems get sorted.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the logic.
The issue is that many parts are sourced from the rest of the EU on a just in time basis. This relies on smooth operation of our borders, the fear is that with no deal, the borders that currently have unfettered travel will become clogged and the parts will become held up with no idea when they will pass through.
BMW are shut their plant annually anyway for maintenance, it makes sense for them to change the date to coincide with potential chaos at the border until problems get sorted.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the logic.
The issue is that many parts are sourced from the rest of the EU on a just in time basis. This relies on smooth operation of our borders, the fear is that with no deal, the borders that currently have unfettered travel will become clogged and the parts will become held up with no idea when they will pass through.
BMW are shut their plant annually anyway for maintenance, it makes sense for them to change the date to coincide with potential chaos at the border until problems get sorted.
Thanks!!
Can I just add to this that it’s not just the car manufacturing industry that uses “just in time” ordering. It’s pretty much all manufacturers who get parts from across the EU. Not quite the same but, fresh food imports from our big suppliers in Spain, France and The Nederlands will also be a mega problem with any degree of hold up at the ports.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
As something I've been going on about for the past year yet shouted down as being scaremongering...Government finally admits that planes won't be flying post No-Brexit. Now if only every single newspaper had this as a front page article...
Nope......it doesn't say that they WONT be flying it says that they COULD stop as the UK would need to seek permission first from the EU. The report goes on to say that the Government would grant the EU the licences needed to continue operating & hopes the EU will reciprocate........which I would expect would happen, along with the ferries at Dover....etc etc.
As something I've been going on about for the past year yet shouted down as being scaremongering...Government finally admits that planes won't be flying post No-Brexit. Now if only every single newspaper had this as a front page article...
Nope......it doesn't say that they WONT be flying it says that they COULD stop as the UK would need to seek permission first from the EU. The report goes on to say that the Government would grant the EU the licences needed to continue operating & hopes the EU will reciprocate........which I would expect would happen, along with the ferries at Dover....etc etc.
mis-interpretating at its finest.
This is another example of a huge plus for Brexit. In short, should we end up out of the EU, there almost certainly won't be a scenario in which all UK-EU flights are grounded.
"VOTE BREXIT: FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE UK AND THE EU WILL PROBABLY BE NO WORSE THAN THEY CURRENTLY ARE"
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
Take a little trip to Manchester and find out..
Are you are claiming that, because Siemens manufacture something for your employer in this country, they will purchase buildings, gear up, relocate staff, expertise, etc. to replicate something that already exists in Germany? Something that presumably supplies the same specialist product across the EU at 24 hours notice. So either they run two production plants (and pass on the costs to their customers responsible for having to do so), or they relocate to the UK and make the rest of their customer base sweat on whether the part is going to be held up at the border.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
Take a little trip to Manchester and find out..
Are you are claiming that, because Siemens manufacturer something for your employer in this country, they will purchase buildings, gear up, relocate staff, expertise, etc. to replicate something that already exists in Germany? Something that presumably supplies the same specialist product across the EU at 24 hours notice. So either they run two production plants (and pass on the costs to their customers responsible for having to do so), or they relocate to the UK and make the rest of their customer base sweat on whether the part is going to be held up at the border.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
Take a little trip to Manchester and find out..
Are you are claiming that, because Siemens manufacturer something for your employer in this country, they will purchase buildings, gear up, relocate staff, expertise, etc. to replicate something that already exists in Germany? Something that presumably supplies the same specialist product across the EU at 24 hours notice. So either they run two production plants (and pass on the costs to their customers responsible for having to do so), or they relocate to the UK and make the rest of their customer base sweat on whether the part is going to be held up at the border.
Just reroute the delivery via the non existent Irish border.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the logic.
The issue is that many parts are sourced from the rest of the EU on a just in time basis. This relies on smooth operation of our borders, the fear is that with no deal, the borders that currently have unfettered travel will become clogged and the parts will become held up with no idea when they will pass through.
BMW are shut their plant annually anyway for maintenance, it makes sense for them to change the date to coincide with potential chaos at the border until problems get sorted.
Thanks!!
Can I just add to this that it’s not just the car manufacturing industry that uses “just in time” ordering. It’s pretty much all manufacturers who get parts from across the EU. Not quite the same but, fresh food imports from our big suppliers in Spain, France and The Nederlands will also be a mega problem with any degree of hold up at the ports.
Anybody waiting on parts for a household appliance from another EU country at the moment might not notice any difference with a temporary hold up at the ports after Brexit. Something may be going wrong with manufacturing over there already and it ain’t Brexit’s fault, yet. I needed a washing machine fixed, the part was ordered, a week later the update came back that they couldn’t give a delivery date and after pushing them yesterday they gave a general 7-10 days. The ‘EU’ made washing machine isn’t even one year old. Brexit may well be a sideshow that’s masking much deeper problems in the EU.
In the subject of getting an update, when I rang up I had to through a few ‘security’ questions to prove who I was...’and what’s your Title sir ?’...that threw me at first but resisting the urge to say Lord, Sir and taking a punt that it’s not Mrs, Miss and Ms I seemed to have correctly guessed Mr and passed the securit test
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the ECONOMIC logic.
There is also the small issue of us trading on WTO Third Country terms which will mean import tarriffs to the EU of say 30% - 40%. So we won't be exporting too many minis in 6 months time.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
Take a little trip to Manchester and find out..
Are you are claiming that, because Siemens manufacturer something for your employer in this country, they will purchase buildings, gear up, relocate staff, expertise, etc. to replicate something that already exists in Germany? Something that presumably supplies the same specialist product across the EU at 24 hours notice. So either they run two production plants (and pass on the costs to their customers responsible for having to do so), or they relocate to the UK and make the rest of their customer base sweat on whether the part is going to be held up at the border.
No, if you read and not just jumped in they have a manufacturing plant in the north west that is capable of produce most things, like others I have assumed you have been there...(BTW I have several times). We can produce items in our facilities in the event of sister facilities going down...its called good planning.....As you are a product expert I would imagine you know what they are capable of producing.
I am sure our company would love Siemens to exist just to provide us with goods.
And you lot have been claiming for two years other manufacturers can switch production at the drop a hat from the UK to the EU...or is that rabbit pulled out of the hat when it suits....
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the ECONOMIC logic.
There is also the small issue of us trading on WTO Third Country terms which will mean import tarriffs to the EU of say 30% - 40%. So we won't be exporting too many minis in 6 months time.
Tariffs on cars can be up to 10% not 40%. Perhaps the tariff on components will bump it up although the percentage is much less.
This is all based on wto rules, my understanding is that we can waive all tariffs for all markets to create a genuine free trade, although there would be no guarantee that the EU would reciprocate or indeed that it is necessarily a good thing.
So can someone explain the BUSINESS reason for this? Why does leaving the EU cause a problem for BMW? BMW makes cars here in South Carolina, so obviously being in the EU is not some disqualifying event, or they would not make cars in the US. So why is making them in England somehow a bad economic proposition for BMW, post-Brexit? Especially of the Pound is supposto drop as they keep predicting. Cheaper manufacturing in Britain would be more, not less, attractive, to a manufacturer. I cannot see the ECONOMIC logic.
There is also the small issue of us trading on WTO Third Country terms which will mean import tarriffs to the EU of say 30% - 40%. So we won't be exporting too many minis in 6 months time.
Tariffs on cars can be up to 10% not 40%. Perhaps the tariff on components will bump it up although the percentage is much less.
This is all based on wto rules, my understanding is that we can waive all tariffs for all markets to create a genuine free trade, although there would be no guarantee that the EU would reciprocate or indeed that it is necessarily a good thing.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
His point is he 'knows' that the Siemens factory in Manchester can produce all Siemens other products from rail signal boxes to CT scanning equipment to office phones, because the facilities are world class (presumably at testing fire control/suppression systems). It's likely as not nonsense, and there are many other points he could have made to show that proper planning can avert potential supply issues caused by Brexit, but he chose this one, presumably because he was dismayed by the sensible discussions being held on this thread otherwise.
This is why people need to stop engaging with him.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
Mind you, Siemens produce different products across Europe, it's the items manufactured in the EU27, such as the CT scanner and components that may be delayed in the UK, as, potentially, would the UK products in the EU27.
Take a little trip to Manchester and find out..
Are you are claiming that, because Siemens manufacturer something for your employer in this country, they will purchase buildings, gear up, relocate staff, expertise, etc. to replicate something that already exists in Germany? Something that presumably supplies the same specialist product across the EU at 24 hours notice. So either they run two production plants (and pass on the costs to their customers responsible for having to do so), or they relocate to the UK and make the rest of their customer base sweat on whether the part is going to be held up at the border.
No, if you read and not just jumped in they have a manufacturing plant in the north west that is capable of produce most things, like others I have assumed you have been there...(BTW I have several times). We can produce items in our facilities in the event of sister facilities going down...its called good planning.....As you are a product expert I would imagine you know what they are capable of producing.
I am sure our company would love Siemens to exist just to provide us with goods.
And you lot have been claiming for two years other manufacturers can switch production at the drop a hat from the UK to the EU...or is that rabbit pulled out of the hat when it suits....
This is your usual bollocks. Siemens manufacture everything from domestic appliances to locomotive trains you numpty. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe that they manufacture all those parts in a plant in Manchester. Just so you can confirm your own stupidity, I have attached a link to a list of what Siemens actually make. Please think before you post. We are not as daft as you are.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
Point is obvious...if you worked for a decent company had decent management like we have, your scanner lamp would be on a critical spares list so there would be no delay, your obsolescence team would have sourced a suitable replacement in the event of that company going bust...would'nt they?
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
Point is obvious...if you worked for a decent company had decent management like we have, your scanner lamp would be on a critical spares list so there would be no delay, your obsolescence team would have sourced a suitable replacement in the event of that company going bust...would'nt they?
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
So have I many times.
As to your first point. Did I mention that it was the NHS I worked for. We barely had stocks of plasters let alone £25K x-ray tubes laying around in store cupboards and in any case. Why bother when you can get one delivered next day. Oh wait.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
Point is obvious...if you worked for a decent company had decent management like we have, your scanner lamp would be on a critical spares list so there would be no delay, your obsolescence team would have sourced a suitable replacement in the event of that company going bust...would'nt they?
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
So have I many times.
As to your first point. Did I mention that it was the NHS I worked for. We barely had stocks of plasters let alone £25K x-ray tubes laying around in store cupboards and in any case. Why bother when you can get one delivered next day. Oh wait.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
Point is obvious...if you worked for a decent company had decent management like we have, your scanner lamp would be on a critical spares list so there would be no delay, your obsolescence team would have sourced a suitable replacement in the event of that company going bust...would'nt they?
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
So have I many times.
As to your first point. Did I mention that it was the NHS I worked for. We barely had stocks of plasters let alone £25K x-ray tubes laying around in store cupboards and in any case. Why bother when you can get one delivered next day. Oh wait.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
His point is he 'knows' that the Siemens factory in Manchester can produce all Siemens other products from rail signal boxes to CT scanning equipment to office phones, because the facilities are world class (presumably at testing fire control/suppression systems). It's likely as not nonsense, and there are many other points he could have made to show that proper planning can avert potential supply issues caused by Brexit, but he chose this one, presumably because he was dismayed by the sensible discussions being held on this thread otherwise.
This is why people need to stop engaging with him.
Yeah, you're absolutely right I should have swerved any discussion on the ability of Siemens to set up production and manufacture anything we need in Manchester. I should have just let the lunacy of the statement stand for itself. Apologies.
For the record, I have been to the Siemens site in Poole. They make traffic lights and stuff but I'm sure with a week or two retraining and a set of new spanners they could knock up a CT scanner in next to no time.
I worked for the NHS and used to run a CT scanner. It was a Siemens scanner and obviously our engineers couldn’t hold anything other than a rudimentary stock of spare parts for when it broke down. Something like a tube blowing would cost £25k and would be ordered in from Siemens in Germany and would arrive for fitting next day. A scenario unlikely without a customs union agreement. This is just one small example of the “unseen” problems that this whole Brexit fuck up will cause. Multiplied across industry as a whole and it’s going to cost untold millions.
We have siemens building services systems in one of our major facilities, and just signed a £1.8million deal 6 months ago to replace the front end of those existing systems. Further to that we are currently concluding a deal for up to £10million to replace our fire systems in several linked major facilities.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
That’s jolly good but Siemens Medical is based in Erlangen just outside Nuremberg. What’s your point ?
Point is obvious...if you worked for a decent company had decent management like we have, your scanner lamp would be on a critical spares list so there would be no delay, your obsolescence team would have sourced a suitable replacement in the event of that company going bust...would'nt they?
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
So have I many times.
As to your first point. Did I mention that it was the NHS I worked for. We barely had stocks of plasters let alone £25K x-ray tubes laying around in store cupboards and in any case. Why bother when you can get one delivered next day. Oh wait.
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Clearly your sister might want simplicity but this is a work in progress so she and you will simply have to watch the debate tomorrow and/or perhaps consume some of the coverage afterwards. As before, we can either walk away, or perhaps we can make a great leap of faith and expect others to solve matters - magical thinking always helps! And there is always a third option which is to embrace the chaos and absurd - and then we embark on a journey making our own discoveries and conclusions.
When the election arrives, Labour will be ready with their MkII version of the 2017 manifesto. Some time between now and then, voters such as your sister will see the case for a Labour government presented. Today we are seeing the democratic process of policy evolution. There will be arguments, compromises and mistakes made during that process but I'm not entirely sure why you are asking me to explain a Labour manifesto when the policy framework has not yet been finalised. Bullet points will simply have to wait
What we can say to your sister is that the motion will inevitably be passed tomorrow. How it is interpreted, and how the Tory conference goes re. Brexit will impact the polls once both are digested. And that will put us in a different place from today. If she is that interested then the internet or newsnight might assist with an understanding of where we are going.
And again we are adults so we have the ability to choose our response to this chaos. My own choice has been somewhat obscure/different but that's for another time.
BMW shut their plant annually anyway for maintenance, it makes sense for them to change the date to coincide with potential chaos at the border until problems get sorted.
The components for these systems are being manufactured, developed and tested at their HQ in Manchester which have world class facilities. This wont be a problem.
mis-interpretating at its finest.
"VOTE BREXIT: FLIGHTS BETWEEN THE UK AND THE EU WILL PROBABLY BE NO WORSE THAN THEY CURRENTLY ARE"
Et voila.
In the subject of getting an update, when I rang up I had to through a few ‘security’ questions to prove who I was...’and what’s your Title sir ?’...that threw me at first but resisting the urge to say Lord, Sir and taking a punt that it’s not Mrs, Miss and Ms I seemed to have correctly guessed Mr and passed the securit test
I am sure our company would love Siemens to exist just to provide us with goods.
And you lot have been claiming for two years other manufacturers can switch production at the drop a hat from the UK to the EU...or is that rabbit pulled out of the hat when it suits....
This is all based on wto rules, my understanding is that we can waive all tariffs for all markets to create a genuine free trade, although there would be no guarantee that the EU would reciprocate or indeed that it is necessarily a good thing.
http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170131/ANE/170139958?template=mobile02&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1
This is why people need to stop engaging with him.
This is your usual bollocks. Siemens manufacture everything from domestic appliances to locomotive trains you numpty. Do you really think we are stupid enough to believe that they manufacture all those parts in a plant in Manchester. Just so you can confirm your own stupidity, I have attached a link to a list of what Siemens actually make. Please think before you post. We are not as daft as you are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Siemens_products
Erlangen is a nice place lovely university town. 25 minutes train ride from Nuremburg. yes I have been there.
As to your first point. Did I mention that it was the NHS I worked for. We barely had stocks of plasters let alone £25K x-ray tubes laying around in store cupboards and in any case. Why bother when you can get one delivered next day. Oh wait.
For the record, I have been to the Siemens site in Poole. They make traffic lights and stuff but I'm sure with a week or two retraining and a set of new spanners they could knock up a CT scanner in next to no time.
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