There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
Nope. I’ve reread it and it’s still so grammatically poor as to be virtually meaningless and certainly ambiguous. I’m sorry that you feel we are poles apart intellectually. Might I suggest you try evening classes.
One of the Brexit morons trying to engage in debate.... priceless....and embarrassing.
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
I must be as thick as Shooters then because I also read it that you are suggesting Ireland needs to align itself to the UK, due to the volume of business it does with it, but the same principle shouldn't apply to the UK's onward relationship with the EU. Maybe you could help us out by clarifying if that is what you mean or not?
Elites elites elites. Can't you come up with a new word? We've already debunked the pro-EU = elite nonsense multiple times. Just because you keep repeating this lie doesn't make it any more true.
'We disagreed with' does not mean 'untrue'. Of course, rich, powerful and wealthy people across Europe are united in their opposition to the EU. You only have to look at what they said during the referendum campaign to know that.
Agreed. Aaron Banks net worth £250m - Rees-Mogg net worth £45m.
Or were you attempting to be sarcastic? ;-)
If I had the time I could add up the wealth of the pro EU versus the anti EU people across Europe. But lets start with just one, George Soros, in the news because he is co funding an anti Brexit ad campaign here over the next few weeks-net worth 25 billion. Now you add up the net worth of the pro Brexit people and if you can get them all to add up to 25b I will easily find many more pro EU billionaires.
If I had the time I'd add up the cost of taking out front page advertising, at least weekly, in our top selling newspapers, falsely disparaging the work and benefits of the EU in most of the UK press...for several decades. And the inside pages several times a week whilst we're at it...
Reckon that would be a decent amount of dough too wouldn't you?
Elites elites elites. Can't you come up with a new word? We've already debunked the pro-EU = elite nonsense multiple times. Just because you keep repeating this lie doesn't make it any more true.
'We disagreed with' does not mean 'untrue'. Of course, rich, powerful and wealthy people across Europe are united in their opposition to the EU. You only have to look at what they said during the referendum campaign to know that.
Agreed. Aaron Banks net worth £250m - Rees-Mogg net worth £45m.
Or were you attempting to be sarcastic? ;-)
If I had the time I could add up the wealth of the pro EU versus the anti EU people across Europe. But lets start with just one, George Soros, in the news because he is co funding an anti Brexit ad campaign here over the next few weeks-net worth 25 billion. Now you add up the net worth of the pro Brexit people and if you can get them all to add up to 25b I will easily find many more pro EU billionaires.
If I had the time I'd add up the cost of taking out front page advertising, at least weekly, in our top selling newspapers, falsely disparaging the work and benefits of the EU in most of the UK press...for several decades. And the inside pages several times a week whilst we're at it...
Reckon that would be a decent amount of dough too wouldn't you?
If it were 25b I would go into the newspaper business
Elites elites elites. Can't you come up with a new word? We've already debunked the pro-EU = elite nonsense multiple times. Just because you keep repeating this lie doesn't make it any more true.
'We disagreed with' does not mean 'untrue'. Of course, rich, powerful and wealthy people across Europe are united in their opposition to the EU. You only have to look at what they said during the referendum campaign to know that.
Agreed. Aaron Banks net worth £250m - Rees-Mogg net worth £45m.
Or were you attempting to be sarcastic? ;-)
If I had the time I could add up the wealth of the pro EU versus the anti EU people across Europe. But lets start with just one, George Soros, in the news because he is co funding an anti Brexit ad campaign here over the next few weeks-net worth 25 billion. Now you add up the net worth of the pro Brexit people and if you can get them all to add up to 25b I will easily find many more pro EU billionaires.
If I had the time I'd add up the cost of taking out front page advertising, at least weekly, in our top selling newspapers, falsely disparaging the work and benefits of the EU in most of the UK press...for several decades. And the inside pages several times a week whilst we're at it...
Reckon that would be a decent amount of dough too wouldn't you?
If it were 25b I would go into the newspaper business
Has Soros spent £25b then? Blimey.
In fact the cost of buying anti-EU headlines after anti-immigration stories after pro-Brexit editorials for years and years and years is pretty much priceless when you think about it. You actually couldn't buy that sort of coverage even if you were as minted as Soros.
The Brexit movement and UKIP have been receiving free advertising in the form of anti-EU coverage and fake news for the past 30 years. You simply cannot buy that kind of publicity.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
I genuinely don’t feel that Brexit is a left / right thing at all. It’s cross party in the House of Commons and right accross the country and society.
I have nothing politically in common with people like Anna Soubry or Ken Clarke apart from their stance on Brexit.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
The difference is all the rich and powerful Remainers wanted us to stay in because they know that the UK will be more prosperous inside the EU and it is in the interests of all British people that we will stay in the EU.
The rich and powerful Brexiters want to profit from Brexit at the expense of the British people. Rees-Mogg is betting on the financial failure of the UK. Boris, Gove and the other Tories are looking to profit from selling off UK assets to their friends and allies as we need to pay for Brexit. The rolling back of worker's rights and environmental protections will benefit Tory shareholders.
So as much as you whinge about elites, the problem is there are elites on both sides of the debate, but the elites that you support all want to profit from the damage Brexit will cause and are actively trying to ensure Brexit is as damaging as possible so they can become more powerful. You simply cannot say that about a single Remainer.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
I genuinely don’t feel that Brexit is a left / right thing at all. It’s cross party in the House of Commons and right accross the country and society.
I have nothing politically in common with people like Anna Soubry or Ken Clarke apart from their stance on Brexit.
I don’t understand your point at all.
I don't think its left/ right either. This discussion started when somebody denied the existence of elites. My point is that they do exist and they are overwhelmingly anti-Brexit. This does not prove anything about whether Brexit is right or wrong of course, but it should make you wonder why they think Brexit is a threat to their interests. Remember it was Corbyn who called the EU a 'capitalist conspiracy'
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
Was it? You've laid down ridiculous conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory about the EU and the Remain campaign. Now you're saying people mainly voted the way they did because rich people told them to?
No one has denied many in positions of power in politics or big business were largely in favour of Remain at all, despite what you seem to be alleging.
But they were also joined by those representing trade unions, educational establishments, charities, consumer groups, the medical profession and many other seemingly disparate groups. Were they just doing what rich people told them as well, or do you concede that maybe the TUC might not be quite as starstruck by the CBI as you'd like to suggest?
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
I genuinely don’t feel that Brexit is a left / right thing at all. It’s cross party in the House of Commons and right accross the country and society.
I have nothing politically in common with people like Anna Soubry or Ken Clarke apart from their stance on Brexit.
I don’t understand your point at all.
I don't think its left/ right either. This discussion started when somebody denied the existence of elites. My point is that they do exist and they are overwhelmingly anti-Brexit. This does not prove anything about whether Brexit is right or wrong of course, but it should make you wonder why they think Brexit is a threat to their interests. Remember it was Corbyn who called the EU a 'capitalist conspiracy'
Then why say socialist remainers should feel uncomfortable being in the same camp as the wealthy. Brexit will make the whole nation poorer. True there will be a few who look to make a profit like JRM but it will be the elite as much as the poor that suffer in the coming years.
I think the vast majority of "rich" people or people in positions of influence backed Remain is largely due to the fact that they got into those positions by being reasonably intelligent people able to look at the facts and recognise that remaining in the EU was not only best for themselves but for their families, workers, businesses, the people they represent and the country in general. Also from an international perspective they felt that Europe would be stronger if the UK continued to take a leading role within the EU.
Meanwhile you look at those prominent Brexiters who match the label of an "elite" and it becomes very clear why they backed Brexit: because they wanted to profit off the chaos and misery it would cause.
So as much as you whinge about elites, it isn't a very good catch all label as it encompasses too many people with too many differing motives. What you have are a bloc of largely sensible intelligent professionals and experts who voted Remain, and a group of sociopaths who used their money and power to sway the voters because they wanted to make a personal profit at the expense of Britain's prosperity.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
Was it? You've laid down ridiculous conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory about the EU and the Remain campaign. Now you're saying people mainly voted the way they did because rich people told them to?
No one has denied many in positions of power in politics or big business were largely in favour of Remain at all, despite what you seem to be alleging.
But they were also joined by those representing trade unions, educational establishments, charities, consumer groups, the medical profession and many other seemingly disparate groups. Were they just doing what rich people told them as well, or do you concede that maybe the TUC might not be quite as starstruck by the CBI as you'd like to suggest?
There are Remainers on this thread who deny that there is even an elite, let alone that it overwhelmingly opposes Brexit. I have never claimed a conspiracy nor that Remainers were duped, bribed or fooled by the rich into voting Remain. They did so for their own good reasons.
Yet of course Leavers were duped, bribed or fooled by a much smaller and less powerful section of the elite into voting Leave, not for their own good reasons.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
Was it? You've laid down ridiculous conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory about the EU and the Remain campaign. Now you're saying people mainly voted the way they did because rich people told them to?
No one has denied many in positions of power in politics or big business were largely in favour of Remain at all, despite what you seem to be alleging.
But they were also joined by those representing trade unions, educational establishments, charities, consumer groups, the medical profession and many other seemingly disparate groups. Were they just doing what rich people told them as well, or do you concede that maybe the TUC might not be quite as starstruck by the CBI as you'd like to suggest?
There are Remainers on this thread who deny that there is even an elite, let alone that it overwhelmingly opposes Brexit. I have never claimed a conspiracy nor that Remainers were duped, bribed or fooled by the rich into voting Remain. They did so for their own good reasons.
Yet of course Leavers were duped, bribed or fooled by a much smaller and less powerful section of the elite into voting Leave, not for their own good reasons.
The problem with your "elites" charge as a negative is you have to prove that the reason the rich and powerful who voted Remain did so because they wanted to further their own interests rather than the nation's. And you can't prove that for the simple reason that they all wanted us to Remain because they, after looking at the facts and arguments, consider Britain being better off as a member of the EU.
So why do you bang on about the elites unless you think the aims of the elites run counter to what is in the best interests of the country and of ordinary people? Because all the evidence shows that the interests of the elites you rant about, and the interests of ordinary people, are best served by remaining in the EU. It seems the interests of both elites (at least those that don't want to profit from damaging the UK) and of ordinary people are aligned in this respect.
It is always striking how Remainers are not prepared to accept how huge the support for Remain was and is amongst the rich and powerful. This despite the fact that the Remain campaign being mainly about how much of the global elite, from Obama down, opposed Brexit. I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people. There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
Was it? You've laid down ridiculous conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory about the EU and the Remain campaign. Now you're saying people mainly voted the way they did because rich people told them to?
No one has denied many in positions of power in politics or big business were largely in favour of Remain at all, despite what you seem to be alleging.
But they were also joined by those representing trade unions, educational establishments, charities, consumer groups, the medical profession and many other seemingly disparate groups. Were they just doing what rich people told them as well, or do you concede that maybe the TUC might not be quite as starstruck by the CBI as you'd like to suggest?
There are Remainers on this thread who deny that there is even an elite, let alone that it overwhelmingly opposes Brexit. I have never claimed a conspiracy nor that Remainers were duped, bribed or fooled by the rich into voting Remain. They did so for their own good reasons.
Yet of course Leavers were duped, bribed or fooled by a much smaller and less powerful section of the elite into voting Leave, not for their own good reasons.
That may be because using the term "elite" as you do to describe so many groups of individuals and groups that on any other day of the week would be sitting on opposite sides of the fence is utterly fatuous. Ignoring the impact of our media in shaping attitudes towards the EU and immigration may suit your argument but it should be patently obvious to even the most blinkered of observers.
Elites elites elites. Can't you come up with a new word? We've already debunked the pro-EU = elite nonsense multiple times. Just because you keep repeating this lie doesn't make it any more true.
'We disagreed with' does not mean 'untrue'. Of course, rich, powerful and wealthy people across Europe are united in their opposition to the EU. You only have to look at what they said during the referendum campaign to know that.
Agreed. Aaron Banks net worth £250m - Rees-Mogg net worth £45m.
Or were you attempting to be sarcastic? ;-)
Have I stumbled upon the never ending Takeover thread?
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
EDIT PS I think he may have been an Irish Ambassador previously, not a minister.
Quite disappointed I can only dip in to this debate this week, as there have been a number of interesting posts I wish I had the time with which to engage....
At a guess, I'd say the interviewee was probably Ray Bassett, ex-Ambassador to Canada.
He is very much in the minority in his views, and is being, at least slightly disingenuous.
There is a close connection between Irish trade and the UK within the EU.
However, this includes the large volumes/value of goods transiting to the EU27. Ireland relies on road transport networks, via the UK, to the rest of the EU, which is why any announcement of Ireland planning for a container port facility would be of some value for those trying to read the runes for Brexit's impact on Ireland.
The UK is the major market for Irish agricultural produce (but, while very important, it is much less valuable to the Irish economy than other trading relationships in the EU). However, agribusiness is the most integrated part of the cross border economy, so will be hardest hit.
Membership of the EU has been key to the foreign direct investment into the country, and has dragged it out of the economic mess it was in for most of the Twentieth Century.
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
I'm not normally grammar police - but, in the context of your post, that's pretty priceless.
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
Nope. I’ve reread it and it’s still so grammatically poor as to be virtually meaningless and certainly ambiguous. I’m sorry that you feel we are poles apart intellectually. Might I suggest you try evening classes.
At work we would be screaming BASICS meaning, you must be a bit dense not to understand it. I showed this to my colleagues last night and posted seth's and my reply. Their reply was, no wonder they support charlton. I hope i don't have to explain that. Blackboard and chalk ready....
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
Nope. I’ve reread it and it’s still so grammatically poor as to be virtually meaningless and certainly ambiguous. I’m sorry that you feel we are poles apart intellectually. Might I suggest you try evening classes.
At work we would be screaming BASICS meaning, you must be a bit dense not to understand it. I showed this to my colleagues last night and posted seth's and my reply. Their reply was, no wonder they support charlton. I hope i don't have to explain that. Blackboard and chalk ready....
Well I still don't get it tbh. Again are you saying Ireland should align itself to the UK, due to the volume of business it does with it, but the same principle shouldn't apply to the UK's onward relationship with the EU? If so why not?
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
Nope. I’ve reread it and it’s still so grammatically poor as to be virtually meaningless and certainly ambiguous. I’m sorry that you feel we are poles apart intellectually. Might I suggest you try evening classes.
At work we would be screaming BASICS meaning, you must be a bit dense not to understand it. I showed this to my colleagues last night and posted seth's and my reply. Their reply was, no wonder they support charlton. I hope i don't have to explain that. Blackboard and chalk ready....
Well I still don't get it tbh. Again are you saying Ireland should align itself to the UK, due to the volume of business it does with it, but the same principle shouldn't apply to the UK's onward relationship with the EU? If so why not?
The ex ROI minister says they should align with UK according to Seth. A current minister says they should support the uk due to the fact of over 75% of their trade is with the uk. So she suggested it too. Personally i don't give a toss what they do. Comprendi.
There was an ex ROI foreign minister on the wireless today who seemed to suggest that one solution to the border issue is for The Republic to (kind of) leave the EU to fit in with the brexit decision. If I understood it correctly, he was saying the for the Republic of Ireland their economy was much more dependent on the actions of Britain rather than Brussels, and really the Republic have no choice but to be prepared to be dragged away from the EU because of the brexit vote in the UK. Anybody else hear that, and has a handle on it?
A few months ago on LBC (ian dale) an irish minister in sweden at the time stated that 75% of their exports particularly agriculture was to the UK... Note : - ministers mouth not google, or guardian as they wouldn't carry that story. So i guess it would be in their interests. If not they could always distance themselves from us as per my solution the other day.
Not sure I understand what you are saying (not for the first time either). If I’m reading your post correctly. You may be guilty of some arse upwards thinking. Are you saying it’s a significant fact that the bulk of the ROI trade is with the UK and therefore a good idea for them to be more aligned with us than the 27 ? In which case as the bulk of the UK’s trade is with the 27 why is it a bad idea for us to not be aligned with the eu ?
I am not surprised you don't understand, we are poles apart regarding interlect particularly in the real world not charlton life world. Read both posts again and i will get my 7 year old grand daughter explain it to you if it's too difficult.
Nope. I’ve reread it and it’s still so grammatically poor as to be virtually meaningless and certainly ambiguous. I’m sorry that you feel we are poles apart intellectually. Might I suggest you try evening classes.
At work we would be screaming BASICS meaning, you must be a bit dense not to understand it. I showed this to my colleagues last night and posted seth's and my reply. Their reply was, no wonder they support charlton. I hope i don't have to explain that. Blackboard and chalk ready....
Is this one of your very rich company owning colleagues, German colleagues, academic colleagues or just a workmate sticking a rivet through a sheet of galvanised steel ?
I suggest before you start lecturing anyone on their being dense you pay some attention to the spelling and grammatical structure of your posts. It really would help the rest of us understand what you are trying to say.
I might add that if I and others don’t understand what you are saying then that’s your fault not ours. Berating us for not being able to pick our way through your gibberish is really rather muggy.
I accept the result. It is now down to you to make it work, not down to the remainers.
I think you will find it's down to politicians to make it work. People on here are only expressing opinions.
I disagree. You knew what you were voting for if you voted brexit and the politicians are doing what you tell them. Brexiters are 100% responsible in making it happen and remainers have 0% responsibility.
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Reckon that would be a decent amount of dough too wouldn't you?
In fact the cost of buying anti-EU headlines after anti-immigration stories after pro-Brexit editorials for years and years and years is pretty much priceless when you think about it. You actually couldn't buy that sort of coverage even if you were as minted as Soros.
I guess it must be uncomfortable especially for socialist Remainers to be in the same camp as the wealthiest and most powerful people.
There are many on the Leave side I find repulsive, but I do not deny they exist.
I have nothing politically in common with people like Anna Soubry or Ken Clarke apart from their stance on Brexit.
I don’t understand your point at all.
The rich and powerful Brexiters want to profit from Brexit at the expense of the British people. Rees-Mogg is betting on the financial failure of the UK. Boris, Gove and the other Tories are looking to profit from selling off UK assets to their friends and allies as we need to pay for Brexit. The rolling back of worker's rights and environmental protections will benefit Tory shareholders.
So as much as you whinge about elites, the problem is there are elites on both sides of the debate, but the elites that you support all want to profit from the damage Brexit will cause and are actively trying to ensure Brexit is as damaging as possible so they can become more powerful. You simply cannot say that about a single Remainer.
Remember it was Corbyn who called the EU a 'capitalist conspiracy'
No one has denied many in positions of power in politics or big business were largely in favour of Remain at all, despite what you seem to be alleging.
But they were also joined by those representing trade unions, educational establishments, charities, consumer groups, the medical profession and many other seemingly disparate groups. Were they just doing what rich people told them as well, or do you concede that maybe the TUC might not be quite as starstruck by the CBI as you'd like to suggest?
Meanwhile you look at those prominent Brexiters who match the label of an "elite" and it becomes very clear why they backed Brexit: because they wanted to profit off the chaos and misery it would cause.
So as much as you whinge about elites, it isn't a very good catch all label as it encompasses too many people with too many differing motives. What you have are a bloc of largely sensible intelligent professionals and experts who voted Remain, and a group of sociopaths who used their money and power to sway the voters because they wanted to make a personal profit at the expense of Britain's prosperity.
I have never claimed a conspiracy nor that Remainers were duped, bribed or fooled by the rich into voting Remain. They did so for their own good reasons.
Yet of course Leavers were duped, bribed or fooled by a much smaller and less powerful section of the elite into voting Leave, not for their own good reasons.
So why do you bang on about the elites unless you think the aims of the elites run counter to what is in the best interests of the country and of ordinary people? Because all the evidence shows that the interests of the elites you rant about, and the interests of ordinary people, are best served by remaining in the EU. It seems the interests of both elites (at least those that don't want to profit from damaging the UK) and of ordinary people are aligned in this respect.
At a guess, I'd say the interviewee was probably Ray Bassett, ex-Ambassador to Canada.
He is very much in the minority in his views, and is being, at least slightly disingenuous.
There is a close connection between Irish trade and the UK within the EU.
However, this includes the large volumes/value of goods transiting to the EU27. Ireland relies on road transport networks, via the UK, to the rest of the EU, which is why any announcement of Ireland planning for a container port facility would be of some value for those trying to read the runes for Brexit's impact on Ireland.
The UK is the major market for Irish agricultural produce (but, while very important, it is much less valuable to the Irish economy than other trading relationships in the EU). However, agribusiness is the most integrated part of the cross border economy, so will be hardest hit.
Membership of the EU has been key to the foreign direct investment into the country, and has dragged it out of the economic mess it was in for most of the Twentieth Century.
Ray Bassett is on a hiding to nothing.
People on here are only expressing opinions.
I suggest before you start lecturing anyone on their being dense you pay some attention to the spelling and grammatical structure of your posts. It really would help the rest of us understand what you are trying to say.
I might add that if I and others don’t understand what you are saying then that’s your fault not ours. Berating us for not being able to pick our way through your gibberish is really rather muggy.